Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.
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I'm going to go with 'no' as my answer
Abraham's faith was his justification before God...his faith was accounted to him as righteousness
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Gen 15:6
Justice and mercy were quite well distributed long before Mt Sinai in the OT
The law was NOT given to justify ANYONE
This thread has revealed much the extent of the apostasy which Christ said would abound before He returned.
Its spirit was already present in the assemblies at the time of the apostles.
With the understanding of Daniel's prophecies of how few would remain with understanding, it is beyond just apparent that these times are at the door.
It is true, the vast majority of people calling themselves Christian are groping in darkness passing on the doctrines of man that have been driven into their minds. There is no need for alarm though. Those who are in Jesus Christ will not ever be separated from Him, misguided for a time, maybe, but never taken out of His Hands.
Each day in the name of killing to save lives the false church is looming closer with denominations joining together as a result of fear, greed, bloodlust and more.
Yes these are perilous times, so we wait on the Lord, we love Him because He loved us first......praise Jesus Christ, amen.
Its spirit was already present in the assemblies at the time of the apostles.
With the understanding of Daniel's prophecies of how few would remain with understanding, it is beyond just apparent that these times are at the door.
It is true, the vast majority of people calling themselves Christian are groping in darkness passing on the doctrines of man that have been driven into their minds. There is no need for alarm though. Those who are in Jesus Christ will not ever be separated from Him, misguided for a time, maybe, but never taken out of His Hands.
Each day in the name of killing to save lives the false church is looming closer with denominations joining together as a result of fear, greed, bloodlust and more.
Yes these are perilous times, so we wait on the Lord, we love Him because He loved us first......praise Jesus Christ, amen.
Unfortunately, I can't because he said that there are no dos and don'ts in the new covenant, only "oughts". IMO, "oughts" are a fruit of a fake christianity that tries to be like Jesus; they're just another form of works of law.
We are to be conformed to the image of Christ by doing faith and love. Faith and love are a commandment, not an "ought".
We are to be conformed to the image of Christ by doing faith and love. Faith and love are a commandment, not an "ought".
yes I do. you just quoted them out of context, no explaination for the Book or even other verses around. the Bible is not one continual book, and should not be treated that way. and no, not every verse is relavant for today. if it were so, then you would have a jewish priest from the line of Levi inspecting your home for mold.
The epitome of an unbelieving Pharisee, defined in scripture, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, was, and is a self righteous, holier than thou individual that purposefully rejects certain parts of God's word, and replacing the totality of truth with bits and pieces of their own doctrines. Distortion to the max. By that they miss righteous judgment, mercy, and are absent of real faith.
Matthew 23:23
John 8:44
Matthew 23:23
John 8:44
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hah..(and thank you by the way...but it is God's mercy and hand extended to pull me out of myself that makes me love HIM! I feel like rejoicing when I read of His love and the fact that He says 'I know you want to do what is right and you keep falling all over yourself, but look up here....I have saved you and you are righteous in My sight BECAUSE you trust in ME! I'm not a shouting kind of believer...but that one makes me wanna shout!!
)so I was thinking of current day law....(s)....does the fact that we have gajillions of them keep us from breaking them?
do jails correct bad behavior?
I think we know the answer to that one and in the same manner, without tripping over the obvious, see human failure but God's remedy....
I could just hate myself sometimes when God in His mercy shows me how I really need to not judge because I am the person I judge almost all the time...probably all the time
ahhh...it's a GOOD day today!
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Actually this thread has revealed not much has changed since the times of Christ.
People still want to follow law to be righteous. and condemn and belittle people who realise the truth,
1. They can't follow the law (to Gods standard)
2. They need saved
3. They have followed the schoolmaster, which lead them to Christ
4. They were saved
5. They want to follow Jesus, who loved the world unconditionally, And his life reflected that. And oh, By doing this, he also could not be seen as a lae breaker, because no one could put a charge against him.
Hod goodness judged those who were evil. but wanted everyone to think they were good. because they followed some law.
Thats what we are told to do. And we CAN NOT DO IT BY FOLLOWING THE LAW. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO DO THAT.
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hah..(and thank you by the way...but it is God's mercy and hand extended to pull me out of myself that makes me love HIM! I feel like rejoicing when I read of His love and the fact that He says 'I know you want to do what is right and you keep falling all over yourself, but look up here....I have saved you and you are righteous in My sight BECAUSE you trust in ME! I'm not a shouting kind of believer...but that one makes me wanna shout!! )
so I was thinking of current day law....(s)....does the fact that we have gajillions of them keep us from breaking them?
do jails correct bad behavior?
I think we know the answer to that one and in the same manner, without tripping over the obvious, see human failure but God's remedy....
I could just hate myself sometimes when God in His mercy shows me how I really need to not judge because I am the person I judge almost all the time...probably all the time
ahhh...it's a GOOD day today!
)so I was thinking of current day law....(s)....does the fact that we have gajillions of them keep us from breaking them?
do jails correct bad behavior?
I think we know the answer to that one and in the same manner, without tripping over the obvious, see human failure but God's remedy....
I could just hate myself sometimes when God in His mercy shows me how I really need to not judge because I am the person I judge almost all the time...probably all the time
ahhh...it's a GOOD day today!
Yes. We love because God loves us first. It is that love, which fills our love tank to overflowing, which allows us to love others.
It does not make us perfect (sadly we still have that carnal flesh) but it should. the more we recieve it, make us look more and more like our father, who loved us, and gave us his son.
No law can do this as you said, the jails would be empty.
It is not sin which keeps us from God. it is pride.
Pride refuses to bow to a master, so does whatever it wants to serve self (sin) or licentiousness
Pride also refuses to see the solution, and instead tries to fix self (law) or legalism
But false gospels ceom from pride.. And both better repent, and humble themselves. Or one day soon, the Lord will humble them at the great white judgment, and by then it will be too late.
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LOL! no worries...I'm not this brilliant at my faith every day you know!
had a long drive yesterday into the city for something and on the way back I was able to reflect on some truths and God has a way of holding up a mirror and saying 'lookkee here'...and it doesn't hurt but instead you thank Him for His mercy and understanding
I am a person who struggles with understanding...in that I have to have cerebral satisfaction rather than good feelings in order to feel good...if that makes sense?
and with our limited brain functionning down here, that can be a challenge, but I can beat myself up until God says 'stay that hand'...so more and more I appreciate the difference between what God has done for me and how little and sad what I can do for Him actually is...and yet...He accepts my little and sad and turns it into something treasured...like a Father accepting the childish drawing just given by him by his 5 year old, done at school....and tacks it on the fridge with a fancy magnet
well thank you kind sir! as Paul says nothing good dwells in our flesh....good thing we can shower!
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LOL! no worries...I'm not this brilliant at my faith every day you know!
It does actually, I have been led astray by feelings far to often in my lifetime.
Amen, As jesus said, We only need cleaned once, and we are perfectly clean, but we need washed from time to time.
God has been showing me what an arrogant person I have been in my life. I fight legalism, but sadly, I am still not immune to it, even today. It is sad when you think of how many times you wonder, if I acted differently then, how different would my life have been, and how many more people may I have reached for God.
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According to Just Me. No one before the law could practice righteousness, judgment and mercy, Which means Abraham, Noah and all the people pre-flood, and post flood up until the time of Moses and God giving him the law. Had no way to understand those things.
That my friend, is preaching a false doctrine.