Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.
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K
What ???
False allegations is what causes strife, so please stop acting like you are innocent and apologize and stop and all would be fine.
Does our Lord Jesus say those who do not have those fruit will be cut off and burned? YES or NO
Does Apostle Peter say to be carnally minded is death, but Spiritual minded is life? YES or NO
Romans 8 Paul shows the difference of walking in the flesh (carnally minded) and walking in the Spirit. He says carnally minded leads to death because it is enmity to God. Now you just said a few posts back a carnally minded person still gets eternal life, but that is contradictory to what Paul said here in Romans.
False allegations is what causes strife, so please stop acting like you are innocent and apologize and stop and all would be fine.
Does our Lord Jesus say those who do not have those fruit will be cut off and burned? YES or NO
Does Apostle Peter say to be carnally minded is death, but Spiritual minded is life? YES or NO
Romans 8 Paul shows the difference of walking in the flesh (carnally minded) and walking in the Spirit. He says carnally minded leads to death because it is enmity to God. Now you just said a few posts back a carnally minded person still gets eternal life, but that is contradictory to what Paul said here in Romans.
There have been several members and several guests that have been reading this one thread. What in the world must they think when they can clearly see an agitation that is purposefully perpetrated by others?
Logic tells the truth in this respect. I really I feel sorry for those who intentionally destroy the purpose of a thread because they suppose it is something that will be opposed and against their own doctrine, and then the falsehood is more clearly seen in those who are stalking and trying to suppress what they think the thread, or person that stated the thread represents according too their assumptions about that individual.
Can't those people see that they are doing more damage to themselves than the ones they are refuting? Everybody who is reading and not contributing clearly can see this.
Logic tells the truth in this respect. I really I feel sorry for those who intentionally destroy the purpose of a thread because they suppose it is something that will be opposed and against their own doctrine, and then the falsehood is more clearly seen in those who are stalking and trying to suppress what they think the thread, or person that stated the thread represents according too their assumptions about that individual.
Can't those people see that they are doing more damage to themselves than the ones they are refuting? Everybody who is reading and not contributing clearly can see this.
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well, that's right...you have not been rude to me either...that is true
Ken...and please listen here...that is not what Ben is saying...he is NOT saying that
I don't feel any way here....I am referring to what you stated as simply being untrue...lie is so harsh, but is there another word for it?
I am trying to see where you are coming from and it seems this thread suddenly got ugly and some truly unedifying things were said
I guess all I can say now is God have mercy here.....what a force to be reckoned with if those who are so passionate about their beliefs would unite in Christ and stand together
well.....I don't have any of you guys on ignore....but I do see where there are some misreadings into what folks are saying
Ken...and please listen here...that is not what Ben is saying...he is NOT saying that
I don't feel any way here....I am referring to what you stated as simply being untrue...lie is so harsh, but is there another word for it?
I am trying to see where you are coming from and it seems this thread suddenly got ugly and some truly unedifying things were said
I guess all I can say now is God have mercy here.....what a force to be reckoned with if those who are so passionate about their beliefs would unite in Christ and stand together
well.....I don't have any of you guys on ignore....but I do see where there are some misreadings into what folks are saying
I have apologized to you in times past if you felt I was accusatory towards you, but the fact is I am not. You are bearing false witness and are being so defensive that it is causing strife. You read a reply like it analyzes you and accuses you rather than discusses a topic. Read what is said and share your opinion on the matter, stop making it all about you. Cover the subject/topic, not you or the person. Discuss the Bible.
I don't have a problem with apologizing if I am in the wrong. What about you?
I don't have a problem with apologizing if I am in the wrong. What about you?
The Body of Jesus Christ is the Assembly that awaits His return, for He is the Head and we are the Member. He is teh Chief and the Corner Stone of the Temple, while we are the lively stones of the Temple. He will rebuild it. There is prophesy here derived from the Word not from imaginations.
When individuals who claim to know the Word and teach the Word and criticize other who share the Word ae arrogant and insolent to the brethren and their elders, their works go befoe them. Yes, a tree is known by the fruit it bears.
All the above is direct from the teachings of the Word. If you do not recognize it, perhaps it is because you re trespassing the teaching, whoever you may be........
When individuals who claim to know the Word and teach the Word and criticize other who share the Word ae arrogant and insolent to the brethren and their elders, their works go befoe them. Yes, a tree is known by the fruit it bears.
All the above is direct from the teachings of the Word. If you do not recognize it, perhaps it is because you re trespassing the teaching, whoever you may be........
K
Well he did say some things that I never said in the past to and he did state something I don't do, and all I have ever asked is that it please stop instead of acting like I am spewing things at him for no reason.
I do not have a habit of calling people out for nothing, as that would be a lie. If you see me say something to somebody it is because they have said it.
Anyway lets get back on topic and I apologize for any misunderstandings but I do not take disrespecting lightly, and disrespect can be hidden in what looks like soothing words. Which is why we must be careful how we speak to others..........MERCY !!!
I do not have a habit of calling people out for nothing, as that would be a lie. If you see me say something to somebody it is because they have said it.
Anyway lets get back on topic and I apologize for any misunderstandings but I do not take disrespecting lightly, and disrespect can be hidden in what looks like soothing words. Which is why we must be careful how we speak to others..........MERCY !!!
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It is perfectly fine for him to judge using baseless accusations. Thats all he has,, Again, His whole foundation would fall on its face if he is wrong. so he will never admit he is wrong..
Its the same ole story, He has us on ignore for doing the very thing he is doing. He is a hypocrite of the Nth degree
E
mah lawd have mercy!!
Ken, if you would know what I have had to endure from other believers who have lied about me and stabbed me in the back...people who knew better...who know who I am...and yet chose to lie because they gained from it....what I am saying is that somebody needs to take one for the body here, cause this is bad
y'all can't keep on dismembering yourselves like the picture I just posted
you don't see as clearly as you think you do...none of us see as clearly as would justify alot of words here
frankly, I think just-me has stirred up a bunch of septic tank waste and yes just-me, I am talking to you
it's just not worth it...to be right...and loose fellowship
PASSOVER: JUDGMENT, MERCY & FAITH
UNDERSTANDING THE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW--JUDGMENT, MERCY AND FAITH THROUGH THE PASSOVER
JUDGMENT AND MERCY ARE IMPORTANT GIFTS OF GOD AND HIS LOVE, THAT CHRIST MADE KNOWN AND AVAILABLE AT HIS PASSOVER. Man as a sinner, must understand and by Faith, accept these two works of Christ's love, in order to be forgiven of his sins and to be saved. Jesus Christ fulfilled God's law that commands judgment of death for sin by the giving of His life as man's sacrifice at the Passover, and through this laying down of His life for man, made available His Great mercy. The Passover provides the foundation every Christian must lay and accept in his life, to understand judgment and mercy, and in order to understand saving faith. The symbolism of a lamb's shed blood and its by faith acceptance by the children of Israel at the first Passover, Ex. 12;7-13, provided the beginning plan of God to help man, as a family and as a nation, to understand about God's judgment upon sin, and His mercy to forgive sin, Ex. 12:12-14.
TODAY'S RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, ARE NOT TEACHING WITH UNDERSTANDING, ABOUT JUDGMENT AS IT RELATES TO SIN AND GOD'S MERCY. Why? Because they cannot relate Christ's sacrifice and death to God's law-His law that commands judgment against sin. Any person that is called of God must come to understand about God's judgment first, to understand His mercy and saving faith. Today's church leaders and its people, understand that Christ came into the world providing mercy upon sinners, but not based on repentance from sin, identified by the breaking of God's law, The Ten Commandments. Their knowledge of mercy is based only on a person believing and confessing of a christ, a false christ, that is not the Christ of the Bible.
Most think of those religious leaders because of today's false teaching, of being strict, legalistic, law-keepers, but they were not! They were strict by their own standards, man created commandments, but not by God's commandments and law, which they broke to excess. Christ said of them, that they appeared as beautiful grave sites, beautiful outward, but within, full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness, (much sin-commandment breaking). Read it in Mat. 23:25-28. Christ said they appear righteous to men, but are full of hypocrisy and iniquities (sin). This is such a fitting and appropriate picture of today's professed Christianity in our society! One of Christ's own, called disciples, Judas, would not recognize his sin and judge his sin because he was blinded to his greed for money. His whole concern was about money, and at the Passover his sin caused him to execute judgment on his own life. Mat. 27: 3-5, I Cor. 11:31
IN I COR. 11:27-29, CHRIST GAVE TO PAUL A WARNING THAT WAS DIRECTED TO EVERYONE PARTAKING OF THE PASSOVER AND ITS SYMBOLS. He said anyone who eats and drinks of the symbols of His Body at His Passover, showing His death, and does not understand the serious meaning of His broken Body and shed blood, eats and drinks judgment upon himself. Christ warns church people in verse 31, if they would examine-judge themselves-their sins, then they would not have to be judged by God. Because of the lack of personal examination and judgment, many are weak, sickly and many die (immaturely). Study Ex. 15:26 and Deut. 28:58-63. These verses say that because man will not judge his life and learn to obey God and fear Him, man can expect to receive curses, plagues and diseases of all kinds against him and his children, until both he and his children are destroyed from the earth.
UNDERSTANDING THE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW--JUDGMENT, MERCY AND FAITH THROUGH THE PASSOVER
JUDGMENT AND MERCY ARE IMPORTANT GIFTS OF GOD AND HIS LOVE, THAT CHRIST MADE KNOWN AND AVAILABLE AT HIS PASSOVER. Man as a sinner, must understand and by Faith, accept these two works of Christ's love, in order to be forgiven of his sins and to be saved. Jesus Christ fulfilled God's law that commands judgment of death for sin by the giving of His life as man's sacrifice at the Passover, and through this laying down of His life for man, made available His Great mercy. The Passover provides the foundation every Christian must lay and accept in his life, to understand judgment and mercy, and in order to understand saving faith. The symbolism of a lamb's shed blood and its by faith acceptance by the children of Israel at the first Passover, Ex. 12;7-13, provided the beginning plan of God to help man, as a family and as a nation, to understand about God's judgment upon sin, and His mercy to forgive sin, Ex. 12:12-14.
TODAY'S RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, ARE NOT TEACHING WITH UNDERSTANDING, ABOUT JUDGMENT AS IT RELATES TO SIN AND GOD'S MERCY. Why? Because they cannot relate Christ's sacrifice and death to God's law-His law that commands judgment against sin. Any person that is called of God must come to understand about God's judgment first, to understand His mercy and saving faith. Today's church leaders and its people, understand that Christ came into the world providing mercy upon sinners, but not based on repentance from sin, identified by the breaking of God's law, The Ten Commandments. Their knowledge of mercy is based only on a person believing and confessing of a christ, a false christ, that is not the Christ of the Bible.
Heb. 10:26-29--- 26 For if we sin willfully ( knowingly break any of God's 10 commandments) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
CHURCH PEOPLE DO NOT TEACH, BELIEVE OR UNDERSTAND THAT CHRIST CAME INTO THE WORLD FOR JUDGMENT. Read it in John 9:39! "For judgment I (Christ) am come into the world." Jesus Christ in Mat. 23:23 denounced the religious leaders of His day for not doing and teaching the people about the most important matters of the law. He says that the weightier-heavy, important matters of the law are judgment, mercy and faith. Luke's account, Luke 11:42, referred to the weightier matters of the law as judgment, and the love of God. In both accounts, judgment was mentioned first in importance.Why is judgment, and to do judgment, such an important part of the law? Mat. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!! (the same can be said of today's religious leaders) for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
CHRIST TOLD THOSE LEADERS THAT THEY MUST DO JUDGMENT. WHAT IS IT ABOUT JUDGMENT THAT A PERSON MUST UNDERSTAND AND DO? Every person desiring salvation, must come to the place that he can recognize and judge sin in his life. He must study and learn to be able to identify sin in his life, and understand that God's law in His judgments commands and demands judgment against that sin and all of a person's sins, and then see the need to take action, to repent of those sins, of breaking God's law, in order to receive mercy. The religious leaders of Christ's day would not do this, judge their own sins, Mat. 23:23, because they were blind to their sins. Their main concern was all over money-God's tithe. Christ said of them that their outside was clean and white, but within, they were full of extortion and excess-much, much sin, which is commandment breaking! Most think of those religious leaders because of today's false teaching, of being strict, legalistic, law-keepers, but they were not! They were strict by their own standards, man created commandments, but not by God's commandments and law, which they broke to excess. Christ said of them, that they appeared as beautiful grave sites, beautiful outward, but within, full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness, (much sin-commandment breaking). Read it in Mat. 23:25-28. Christ said they appear righteous to men, but are full of hypocrisy and iniquities (sin). This is such a fitting and appropriate picture of today's professed Christianity in our society! One of Christ's own, called disciples, Judas, would not recognize his sin and judge his sin because he was blinded to his greed for money. His whole concern was about money, and at the Passover his sin caused him to execute judgment on his own life. Mat. 27: 3-5, I Cor. 11:31
I Cor.11:31---For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
EVERY0NE IS A SINNER, AND MUST COME TO SEE THAT HE SINS AGAINST GOD BY BREAKING ANY OF HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS. Read about David's example, Ps. 51. Everyone must come to understand that there is a judgment of death pronounced against him and his sins, and in order to be saved from his sins and eternal death, he needs God's mercy and forgiveness. God and His law commands that the judgment of death must be fulfilled by the one that has sinned, and can only be pardoned--passed over, by a qualified and God-accepted life, and substitutionary sacrifice. The only one qualified and accepted by God the Father, that has both fulfilled God's commandments-His Ten Commandments, and fulfilled the demands of the law by the penalty of judgment and death against sin, is Jesus Christ and every sinner must repent of his sins, obey God's 10 commandments, and accept by faith Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection, to receive God's mercy and forgiveness. Christ was resurrected after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, and ascended to the Father, to be accepted by Him as man's substitutionary sacrifice, that every sinner must have and accept to be saved, to live, to receive God's Spirit, and to be raised up, Rom. 8:11. IN I COR. 11:27-29, CHRIST GAVE TO PAUL A WARNING THAT WAS DIRECTED TO EVERYONE PARTAKING OF THE PASSOVER AND ITS SYMBOLS. He said anyone who eats and drinks of the symbols of His Body at His Passover, showing His death, and does not understand the serious meaning of His broken Body and shed blood, eats and drinks judgment upon himself. Christ warns church people in verse 31, if they would examine-judge themselves-their sins, then they would not have to be judged by God. Because of the lack of personal examination and judgment, many are weak, sickly and many die (immaturely). Study Ex. 15:26 and Deut. 28:58-63. These verses say that because man will not judge his life and learn to obey God and fear Him, man can expect to receive curses, plagues and diseases of all kinds against him and his children, until both he and his children are destroyed from the earth.
Deut. 28:61-62 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon you, until you be destroyed. 62- And you shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God.
THE PASSOVER IS A SERVICE AND SEASON THAT CHRIST COMMANDS MAN TO KEEP EVERY YEAR, TO HELP HIM LEARN, AND NEVER FORGET ABOUT JUDGMENT, MERCY AND FAITH AS THESE HEAVY, WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW-GOD'S LAW, RELATES TO ONE'S SALVATION. The Passover comes and goes every year as a testimony and a witness against everyone who neglects to keep those days, and who will not judge his own sins and take the meaning of the Passover very serious. The Passover is God's love to man, (John 15:13) but only if man will respond in repentance and acceptance of Christ as his Passover, and fails not to keep the Service in remembrance of His death, until Christ comes. I Cor.11:25-26.
K
I am not bearing false witness so please drop it with your reverse psychology, and I would apologize if I was in the wrong in what I said. I do not speak out lightly and say things unless I have actually seen the person say that.
I am not in the habit of copying everything a person says to use against them later because we are not to do that, as that would be holding something over on another.
I don't make it all about me either as I always give credit to God for what He has done and is doing in my life, and I count it joy to be attacked like this by others when defending His word. The part I am tired of is those doing this in front of new believers or weak believers in the faith.
The call has been out there how attitudes of some need to be confirmed to the Word of God, and not the other way around of confirming His word to their ways which so sadly is done now days.
I am not in the habit of copying everything a person says to use against them later because we are not to do that, as that would be holding something over on another.
I don't make it all about me either as I always give credit to God for what He has done and is doing in my life, and I count it joy to be attacked like this by others when defending His word. The part I am tired of is those doing this in front of new believers or weak believers in the faith.
The call has been out there how attitudes of some need to be confirmed to the Word of God, and not the other way around of confirming His word to their ways which so sadly is done now days.
E
don't make light of what I posted
you are not helping by taking out of context my post
are you happy with the strife? is it that important to be right?
just where is it that you think love covers a multitude of sins?
honestly? what is diametrically opposed is the rigid proud self serving attitudes that prevail in some threads
and you can quote me
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tell you what...after you have collected the scraps, lets count the spoils and see who won
now won't that be productive
persecution will definatley just sort all this me me me stuff...I don't see any other answer since no one wants to put on the brakes
well, I tried
ps...I don't get hurt so easy because the ones I loved have already ripped me apart...so, yuh know, it's all good
now won't that be productive
persecution will definatley just sort all this me me me stuff...I don't see any other answer since no one wants to put on the brakes
well, I tried
ps...I don't get hurt so easy because the ones I loved have already ripped me apart...so, yuh know, it's all good
K
It is not the topic that stirs up strife though Ember, and just because there are multiple threads on the same topic does not mean it is to stir up strife.
Look I have had my disagreements with Just-me as well and with a few others, but it was still kept civil, friendly, and respectful.
There is absolutely no need to be unedifying toward others who disagrees, and I know what you are saying because I have been attacked constantly on here to where I almost left at one time and even had my account set for deletion before a number of people talked me into coming back.
The name I am under now is not my original account as I had to start a new one because of that one was deleted.
I would be all happy for the stopping of the dismembering of others on here, as for your picture I have felt a number of times like the man in the middle being pulled apart by the horses.