Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[just-me]

This is a type of quiz just for the sake of "investigation edification."
We all know love is the fulfilling of the law of God.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments, that Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they missed due to their self righteous smug attitude. Because of missing those things, this was one thing of several that Jesus called them out on, identifying them as hypocrites. (pretenders)

What are those 3 things that Jesus defined (scripture quoting Jesus), and where can we find them in the Old Covenant law that God gave to Israel via Moses?

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter.

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do.

May God bless us with further understanding of each other, and of God's holy word, as His truth impacts us to the very core of our heart, soul, and mind.

 

[BenFTW]

This is a type of quiz just for the sake of "investigation edification."
We all know love is the fulfilling of the law of God.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments, that Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they missed due to their self righteous smug attitude. Because of missing those things, this was one thing of several that Jesus called them out on, identifying them as hypocrites. (pretenders)

What are those 3 things that Jesus defined (scripture quoting Jesus), and where can we find them in the Old Covenant law that God gave to Israel via Moses?

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter.

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do.

May God bless us with further understanding of each other, and of God's holy word, as His truth impacts us to the very core of our heart, soul, and mind.

It's funny when I consider hypocrisy and how the world considers Christians hypocrites. Such a label can only be true if we are to live by a standard. A lot of people go out and condemn sinners, accusing them of all manner of sin and yelling at them to repent or else. They, at times, make a print out of the ten commandments and ask people which of them have they broken. We, funny enough, can't even boast that we do not sin. For us to uphold the Law and show people they fall short, we too must admit our failure.

People want to uphold the "moral law" of God that predates even the old covenant. However, as soon as we start making a list of do's and don'ts and say we are to follow this morality we then become hypocrites to the standard we can't keep. The world sees Christianity not in grace but rules and regulations. That is a problem. That is a failure of the body of Christ that the world doesn't see grace and love, but law and a whip. Its sad really, and that's why so many people oppose Legalism. Also why when there is even a hint of it in a post people will call it out. They don't want people to be in bondage when Jesus has set us free.

When I think of Christianity from the perspective of grace and not law, I realize that hypocrisy cannot even exist. The do's and don'ts aren't even there, but the ought's are. Such things as, "it is our reasonable duty." Not so much a command but a response to His great love. I realize there are commands in the NT but such obedience is not born of tyranny but loyalty and love. Not of fear but care, it comes from the heart.

PS: The three things Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees were justice, mercy and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).

 

[crossnote]

The Pharisees also missed/didn't recognize Jesus, the source of Life, even though they knew well the OT...

John 5:39-40 KJV
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. [40] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's funny when I consider hypocrisy and how the world considers Christians hypocrites. Such a label can only be true if we are to live by a standard. A lot of people go out and condemn sinners, accusing them of all manner of sin and yelling at them to repent or else. They, at times, make a print out of the ten commandments and ask people which of them have they broken. We, funny enough, can't even boast that we do not sin. For us to uphold the Law and show people they fall short, we too must admit our failure.

People want to uphold the "moral law" of God that predates even the old covenant. However, as soon as we start making a list of do's and don'ts and say we are to follow this morality we then become hypocrites to the standard we can't keep. The world sees Christianity not in grace but rules and regulations. That is a problem. That is a failure of the body of Christ that the world doesn't see grace and love, but law and a whip. Its sad really, and that's why so many people oppose Legalism. Also why when there is even a hint of it in a post people will call it out. They don't want people to be in bondage when Jesus has set us free.

When I think of Christianity from the perspective of grace and not law, I realize that hypocrisy cannot even exist. The do's and don'ts aren't even there, but the ought's are. Such things as, "it is our reasonable duty." Not so much a command but a response to His great love. I realize there are commands in the NT but such obedience is not born of tyranny but loyalty and love. Not of fear but care, it comes from the heart.

PS: The three things Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees were justice, mercy and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).

In my lifetime of experiences. I find that people think CHristians are hypocrites. Because they claim we must follow this moral law of God. and they demand it, But time and time again, We are found not to be able to live up to the standard we demand, And time and time again, the seemingly most ardent demanders of righteous living, are found to be in deep deep sin.

I have found that is what happens when you are so bound by law or rules. You have to live up to your own demands, And when you struggle you have no way to get healing.

Who is going to confess a sin when you preach over and over law. You would have to admit your own failure to what you teach.

It is like the lost are waiting to catch a christian in sin, To pounce on them, and say, yep. your no better than I am.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Pharisees were religious to a t outwardly yet blind to the truth of the O.T. that proved the inability to actually keep the whole law....Paul said that he could not be convicted outwardly....they by their religious observances were cleaning up the outside of the cup, yet the inward part of the cup was a dirty as it has always been......no outward observance of any law will clean the inside of the cup as it is as black and dirty as it can be regardless of morality and or religious observances.....it takes the blood applied by faith to cleanse the inside of the cup......and then change the outward based upon the change of the inward................

 

[vic1980]

John 11

49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Shalom

 

[wattie]

There is a youtube clip of a man presenting the gospel, talking about justificiation. Can't remember the name or the link but he was making the point that if someone tries to follow the OT Law or try and do good deeds to get converted etc..

It's like putting 'perfume on a corpse'

Because they haven't been regenerated, all they are doing is making something dead look nice.

 

[crossnote]

There is a youtube clip of a man presenting the gospel, talking about justificiation. Can't remember the name or the link but he was making the point that if someone tries to follow the OT Law or try and do good deeds to get converted etc..

It's like putting 'perfume on a corpse'

Because they haven't been regenerated, all they are doing is making something dead look nice.

Sarah Palin beat him to the punch with her 'putting lipstick on a pig, is still a pig" comment back in 2008.

 

[just-me]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Even though I have BenFTW and eternally-gratefull on my ignore list, I took the opportunity to open their posts to see if they had defined my original question. So far, Ben was the only one that mentioned the scripture that quotes Jesus' definition of what makes them a hypocrite by excluding something from the law either intentionally or forgetfully. It seems the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves by the law, that they totally forsook the more vital parts thereof.

I think all the comments posted explained each individuals understanding quite well, but none gave definition as to where we are able to find judgment, mercy, and faith in the original commandments, found in the OT law, that those hypocrites had access to as we do we all.

These are the quotes, that I thought came close to the subject of the OP, making good explanations IMO of the posters beliefs, even though the questions in OP haven't been addressed, but only in part by Ben having Jesus' quote to the Pharisees right.

It's funny when I consider hypocrisy and how the world considers Christians hypocrites. Such a label can only be true if we are to live by a standard.
PS: The three things Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees were justice, mercy and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).

The Pharisees also missed/didn't recognize Jesus, the source of Life, even though they knew well the OT...

In my lifetime of experiences. I find that people think CHristians are hypocrites.
Who is going to confess a sin when you preach over and over law. You would have to admit your own failure to what you teach.

....they by their religious observances were cleaning up the outside of the cup, yet the inward part of the cup was a dirty as it has always been......no outward observance of any law will clean the inside of the cup as it is as black and dirty as it can be regardless of morality and or religious observances

Being somewhat redundant from the OP, the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves that they had forsaken (omitted) judgment, mercy, and faith which Jesus defined as a vital part to them and the community. In particular, the Pharisees were responsible for these weightier things of the law of God because they were the religious leaders of the community. So I will quote a little of the OP to steer it back on track.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments, that Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they missed due to their self righteous smug attitude. Because of missing those things, this was one thing of several that Jesus called them out on, identifying them as hypocrites. (pretenders)

What are those 3 things that Jesus defined (scripture quoting Jesus), and where can we find them in the Old Covenant law that God gave to Israel via Moses?

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter. I present this strictly for edification sake.

The way God sees us should have more impact on us than the way others see us. The Pharisees should have been the conduit of distributing God's judgment, His mercy, and His faithfulness to the public. Because they were more concerned about how the public saw them, instead of how God saw them, they became the epitome of pretenders (hypocrites).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sarah Palin beat him to the punch with her 'putting lipstick on a pig, is still a pig" comment back in 2008.

Jesus beat Sarah by calling pharisees whitewashed sepulchers.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think all the comments posted explained each individuals understanding quite well, but none gave definition as to where we are able to find judgment, mercy, and faith in the original commandments, found in the OT law, that those hypocrites had access to as we do we all.

Justice, mercy and faith derive from the two greatest commandments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Even though I have BenFTW and eternally-gratefull on my ignore list, I took the opportunity to open their posts to see if they had defined my original question. So far, Ben was the only one that mentioned the scripture that quotes Jesus' definition of what makes them a hypocrite by excluding something from the law either intentionally or forgetfully. It seems the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves by the law, that they totally forsook the more vital parts thereof.

I think all the comments posted explained each individuals understanding quite well, but none gave definition as to where we are able to find judgment, mercy, and faith in the original commandments, found in the OT law, that those hypocrites had access to as we do we all.

These are the quotes, that I thought came close to the subject of the OP, making good explanations IMO of the posters beliefs, even though the questions in OP haven't been addressed, but only in part by Ben having Jesus' quote to the Pharisees right.



Being somewhat redundant from the OP, the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves that they had forsaken (omitted) judgment, mercy, and faith which Jesus defined as a vital part to them and the community. In particular, the Pharisees were responsible for these weightier things of the law of God because they were the religious leaders of the community. So I will quote a little of the OP to steer it back on track.


The way God sees us should have more impact on us than the way others see us. The Pharisees should have been the conduit of distributing God's judgment, His mercy, and His faithfulness to the public. Because they were more concerned about how the public saw them, instead of how God saw them, they became the epitome of pretenders (hypocrites).

The pharisees were so steeped in religion and living according to the law. They were blinded to their own sin. Thats why so many of them when confronted claimed to obey the law since birth.

Even if they had judgement mercy they still would be lost apart from faith in Christ.

They could not have faith in Christ, because they were too busy law living, Jesus did not tell them if they had those things they would be saved, He told them, they were fooling themselves if they thought they were righteous and law livers, and this is why..

 

[JaumeJ]

With time, the understanding of who is a Pharisee has been reversed by the power of darkness. To deem anyone a Pharisee because that person believes everything God gave His prophets to write down is really topsy-turvy. Why? The Pharisees with whom Jesus dialogued were more concerned with the traditions of man taught as commandment from God, and had no idea of the true understanding of Torah, the Prophets and the Writings. Jesus had to explain to them their major misunderstanding of all the law, that being their omission of mercy and judgment as Just-Me most recently stressed.

A hypocrite will always be any individual who preaches doctrines he has no intention of adhering to himself. Nothing has changed.

We must always keep in mind, just as with any denomination, among the Pharisees were people who truly yearned to hear Jesus, and eventually became His followers.

Aside from these definitions and descriptions, I can not add or take away from what Just-Me has consistently shared with all.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[just-me]

With time, the understanding of who is a Pharisee has been reversed by the power of darkness. To deem anyone a Pharisee because that person believes everything God gave His prophets to write down is really topsy-turvy. Why? The Pharisees with whom Jesus dialogued were more concerned with the traditions of man taught as commandment from God, and had no idea of the true understanding of Torah, the Prophets and the Writings. Jesus had to explain to them their major misunderstanding of all the law, that being their omission of mercy and judgment as Just-Me most recently stressed.

A hypocrite will always be any individual who preaches doctrines he has no intention of adhering to himself. Nothing has changed.

We must always keep in mind, just as with any denomination, among the Pharisees were people who truly yearned to hear Jesus, and eventually became His followers.

Aside from these definitions and descriptions, I can not add or take away from what Just-Me has consistently shared with all.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.

Thanks JaumeJ, as I do thank you all for your contributions.
For the sake of starting a constructive edifying discussion, does any Old Testament law scripture come into your mind that reveals just one of these 3 things Jesus defined as the weighter things of the law?

This question is not just for you, but anyone who has something substantial that is written in the law to begin with.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For the sake of starting a constructive edifying discussion, does any Old Testament law scripture come into your mind that reveals just one of these 3 things Jesus defined as the weighter things of the law?

This question is not just for you, but anyone that has something substantial to begin with.

1. Does one need the Law to understand Justice?
2. Does one need the law to understand Mercy?
3. Does one need to law to understand Faith?

Now the OT shows God infinite mercy and gives us reason to have faith, And in the future, Judgment will be handed out. But did not those before the law (say like abraham and Noah) have an understanding of these things?

ps. I am not tryint to start an argument, I am just asking a sincere question.

 

[just-me]

1. Does one need the Law to understand Justice?
2. Does one need the law to understand Mercy?
3. Does one need to law to understand Faith?

ps. I am not tryint to start an argument, I am just asking a sincere question.

It's obvious to me that Jesus thought so. It's not my call, nevertheless a distorted view of the law will obviously obscure the revelation of God's righteous judgment, mercy and faith that He told His children to exact, for it is designed for us to recognize that these are His and not ours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's obvious to me that Jesus thought so. It's not my call, nevertheless a distorted view of the law will obviously obscure the revelation of God's righteous judgment, mercy and faith that He told His children to exact, for it is designed for us to recognize that these are His and not ours.

Now here I agree.

It waters down his mercy, his justice, and puts our faith in things it should never be in.

However, I the distorted view of what it was given for is not the same for both of us.

And Jesus thought Abraham, Noah, Adam, and other Pre-Law saints in Christ had a distorted view of the law. so they could never fully appreciate these things?

Sadly, I think they had a better view of it than most people do.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not have the law memorized, but having read through many times over, I reminded as I act if anything is lawful or not. Jesus teaches us just exactly how to understand and follow the law by His Example and Word. There are many laws I just like more than others because they remind me of many other manners of morality one should adhere to in order to be lawful.

We are required by law (not that we need to memorize this because of our new self by the Holy Spirit), if we encounter our enemy's beast (or any property) strayed from him, to take the beast etc. home and care for it until it is propitious to return it to him. This law has love, justice and mercy self-contained.

Another where we are commanded not to move our neighbor's land marker always strikes me as the fine touch of a Master of ethics.

All the law is good and affords true wisdom to all mankind, while it all points to Jesus............ God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

Thanks JaumeJ, as I do thank you all for your contributions.
For the sake of starting a constructive edifying discussion, does any Old Testament law scripture come into your mind that reveals just one of these 3 things Jesus defined as the weighter things of the law?

This question is not just for you, but anyone who has something substantial that is written in the law to begin with.

 

[crossnote]

Why go back to Moses for judgment, mercy and faith? Abraham was an example of it long before.
Abraham is the one our walk is to be molded after, not the law of Moses.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Jesus teaches us just exactly how to understand and follow the law by His Example.

And what was Jesus example??