Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

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I do not have the law memorized, but having read through many times over, I reminded as I act if anything is lawful or not. Jesus teaches us just exactly how to understand and follow the law by His Example and Word. There are many laws I just like more than others because they remind me of many other manners of morality one should adhere to in order to be lawful.

We are required by law (not that we need to memorize this because of our new self by the Holy Spirit), if we encounter our enemy's beast (or any property) strayed from him, to take the beast etc. home and care for it until it is propitious to return it to him. This law has love, justice and mercy self-contained.

Another where we are commanded not to move our neighbor's land marker always strikes me as the fine touch of a Master of ethics.

All the law is good and affords true wisdom to all mankind, while it all points to Jesus............ God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
ok. The pharisee had the law memorized, And did all he could of his power to obey the law. What makes you any different than him? (In trying to obey the law of your own power)

As for Jesus, Yes he did, Can you tell us how he obeyed the law?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Walk on water...go and do likewise :)
Peter did!! so we can.... Oh wait, He started thinking about self again and Jesus had to reach out and save him from himself.
 

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His Example is mercy in place of certain laws that show no mercy, such as stoning to death an adulteress caught in the act with the legal amount of witnesses against her.

More mercy when He declared all foods clean if receive with thanksgiving, for giving thanks hallows.

He provides justice for all on the Cross, freeing all who would receive Him from the guilt of sin, that is breaking the law. Mercy is in this cause also, but I stress justice for no man can justify himself by his own action in obeying the law. This is a gift from Jesus to all, again, who accept it. The guilt of our sin is not imputed against us after we com to Jesus Christ, tus, while we are taught to be imitators of Christ for instance obeying the law, He has been perfect for us as we are being perfected. We will not be perfect until He returns, therefore even as obedient children we require grace for our salvation, but always, out of education and thanksgiving, we do our best to obey all of God's desire.

Learning from Jesus Christ, and believing His Word lights our way, for He is the Way. God is good to all who wait on Him. Some translations say, God is good to all who love Him. Both are perfectly sensible in the Spirit.
 
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His Example is mercy in place of certain laws that show no mercy, such as stoning to death an adulteress caught in the act with the legal amount of witnesses against her.

More mercy when He declared all foods clean if receive with thanksgiving, for giving thanks hallows.

He provides justice for all on the Cross, freeing all who would receive Him from the guilt of sin, that is breaking the law. Mercy is in this cause also, but I stress justice for no man can justify himself by his own action in obeying the law. This is a gift from Jesus to all, again, who accept it. The guilt of our sin is not imputed against us after we com to Jesus Christ, tus, while we are taught to be imitators of Christ for instance obeying the law, He has been perfect for us as we are being perfected. We will not be perfect until He returns, therefore even as obedient children we require grace for our salvation, but always, out of education and thanksgiving, we do our best to obey all of God's desire.

Learning from Jesus Christ, and believing His Word lights our way, for He is the Way. God is good to all who wait on Him. Some translations say, God is good to all who love Him. Both are perfectly sensible in the Spirit.
Yes but, what was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?
 
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His Example is mercy in place of certain laws that show no mercy, such as stoning to death an adulteress caught in the act with the legal amount of witnesses against her.

More mercy when He declared all foods clean if receive with thanksgiving, for giving thanks hallows.

He provides justice for all on the Cross, freeing all who would receive Him from the guilt of sin, that is breaking the law. Mercy is in this cause also, but I stress justice for no man can justify himself by his own action in obeying the law. This is a gift from Jesus to all, again, who accept it. The guilt of our sin is not imputed against us after we com to Jesus Christ, tus, while we are taught to be imitators of Christ for instance obeying the law, He has been perfect for us as we are being perfected. We will not be perfect until He returns, therefore even as obedient children we require grace for our salvation, but always, out of education and thanksgiving, we do our best to obey all of God's desire.

Learning from Jesus Christ, and believing His Word lights our way, for He is the Way. God is good to all who wait on Him. Some translations say, God is good to all who love Him. Both are perfectly sensible in the Spirit.
Actually he showed mercy when he allowed a rebelious and sinful nation to go on for centuries before he finally went to the final area of discipline in lev 26 (military defeat and complete removal from land until the repent) and even today he proves his mercy by the fact they still, as a nation, exist.

 

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He lived to complete all righteousness, bringing the gospel to all who would receive it, and dying on the cross to bring salvation to all, also who would receive it. If yo need more, all you need do is read His teachings, beginning, I suppose with the sermon on the mount where He repeats many teachings from the Old Testament writings.

It strikes me as odd that anyone who believes would need to ask this question, unless, of course it is for the edification of others. God bless you in Jesus Christ I pray, amen.

Yes but, what was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?
 
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His Example is mercy in place of certain laws that show no mercy, such as stoning to death an adulteress caught in the act with the legal amount of witnesses against her.

More mercy when He declared all foods clean if receive with thanksgiving, for giving thanks hallows.

He provides justice for all on the Cross, freeing all who would receive Him from the guilt of sin, that is breaking the law. Mercy is in this cause also, but I stress justice for no man can justify himself by his own action in obeying the law. This is a gift from Jesus to all, again, who accept it. The guilt of our sin is not imputed against us after we com to Jesus Christ, tus, while we are taught to be imitators of Christ for instance obeying the law, He has been perfect for us as we are being perfected. We will not be perfect until He returns, therefore even as obedient children we require grace for our salvation, but always, out of education and thanksgiving, we do our best to obey all of God's desire.

Learning from Jesus Christ, and believing His Word lights our way, for He is the Way. God is good to all who wait on Him. Some translations say, God is good to all who love Him. Both are perfectly sensible in the Spirit.
Um my friend, there is no mercy in ANY LAW. Disobedience to the law brings a curse.
 
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He lived to complete all righteousness, bringing the gospel to all who would receive it, and dying on the cross to bring salvation to all, also who would receive it. If yo need more, all you need do is read His teachings, beginning, I suppose with the sermon on the mount where He repeats many teachings from the Old Testament writings.

It strikes me as odd that anyone who believes would need to ask this question, unless, of course it is for the edification of others. God bless you in Jesus Christ I pray, amen.
I think what they are trying got get it, is what power did Jesus use, how did he do it. Not what they did.
 
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He lived to complete all righteousness, bringing the gospel to all who would receive it, and dying on the cross to bring salvation to all, also who would receive it. If yo need more, all you need do is read His teachings, beginning, I suppose with the sermon on the mount where He repeats many teachings from the Old Testament writings.

It strikes me as odd that anyone who believes would need to ask this question, unless, of course it is for the edification of others. God bless you in Jesus Christ I pray, amen.
You didn't answer the question. What was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?
 

JaumeJ

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Obviously, you have something specific in mind that you have read, however in thinking more about it, it is a wise question indeed.

Jesus Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. No one will come to the Father but by Him..

Now, I do not know exactly what specific or specific you are going for , but He certainly explains Himself in these declarations.

By His teachings, which are on the hearts of believers and not memorized rote, we know most of why He is as He is.

Am I on some kind of trial here? I
kind of feel like it, but if not, why don't you share what is goin on in your mind and what is actually behind your question.

You didn't answer the question. What was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?
 
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FreeNChrist

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Obviously, you have something specific in mind that you have read, however in thinking more about it, it is a wise question indeed.

Jesus Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. No one will come to the Father but by Him..

Now, I do not know exactly what specific or specific you are going for , but He certainly explains Himself in these declarations.

By His teachings, which are on the hearts of believers and not memorized rote, we know most of why He is as He is.

Am I on some kind of trial here? I
kind of feel like it, but if not, why don't you share what is goin on in your mind and what is actually behind your question.
Jesus explained repeatedly how He lived the life that He did. Is it that you do not know the answer, or is it that you do not want to say what the answer is?
 
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I do not have the law memorized, but having read through many times over, I reminded as I act if anything is lawful or not. Jesus teaches us just exactly how to understand and follow the law by His Example and Word. There are many laws I just like more than others because they remind me of many other manners of morality one should adhere to in order to be lawful.

We are required by law (not that we need to memorize this because of our new self by the Holy Spirit), if we encounter our enemy's beast (or any property) strayed from him, to take the beast etc. home and care for it until it is propitious to return it to him. This law has love, justice and mercy self-contained.

Another where we are commanded not to move our neighbor's land marker always strikes me as the fine touch of a Master of ethics.

All the law is good and affords true wisdom to all mankind, while it all points to Jesus............ God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

I highlighted the part that I also think shows love justice and mercy. It's the persuasion that I see even though I don't have a cow or anything like that. My neighbor, who was a very good person, had a pasture with a herd of cattle next to our property however, so I took this law to heart for loves sake. Nothing happened bad, and our love for each other continued to grow to the point of his death. Mercy, judgment and love flourished in our relationship.
 

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Jaume has me on ignore...that is his version of mercy under the law.:)
 

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I have learned we are to follow His Example and forgive others, and show mercy whenever nit is needed, to love all and especially to love our God. Now you have an agenda here. I am not going to start with how He was here to do the Fathers will, nor any of the other reasons He gave for His being here, for they are not only all known quite well, they were prophesied throughout the Old testament. He did fulfill all righteousness, and much more.

Why are you, I suppose a person who is following His Example, grilling a brother in Christ? You have a motive, itis certain, and I just pray it is good......God bless you with wisdom and the sense to honor your brethren, even if he is not imbued with the wisdom you are.........

Jesus explained repeatedly how He lived the life that He did. Is it that you do not know the answer, or is it that you do not want to say what the answer is?
 
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I have learned we are to follow His Example and forgive others, and show mercy whenever nit is needed, to love all and especially to love our God. Now you have an agenda here. I am not going to start with how He was here to do the Fathers will, nor any of the other reasons He gave for His being here, for they are not only all known quite well, they were prophesied throughout the Old testament. He did fulfill all righteousness, and much more.

Why are you, I suppose a person who is following His Example, grilling a brother in Christ? You have a motive, itis certain, and I just pray it is good......God bless you with wisdom and the sense to honor your brethren, even if he is not imbued with the wisdom you are.........

it is sad that just because someone asks a logical question we are so weak in faith we have to think someone has an agenda. or have to ignore people.

If I ever get to this point, I pray someone slaps me silly and wakes me up.
 
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I have learned we are to follow His Example and forgive others, and show mercy whenever nit is needed, to love all and especially to love our God. Now you have an agenda here. I am not going to start with how He was here to do the Fathers will, nor any of the other reasons He gave for His being here, for they are not only all known quite well, they were prophesied throughout the Old testament. He did fulfill all righteousness, and much more.

Why are you, I suppose a person who is following His Example, grilling a brother in Christ? You have a motive, itis certain, and I just pray it is good......God bless you with wisdom and the sense to honor your brethren, even if he is not imbued with the wisdom you are.........
Because they answer, when seen and accepted as our example, can set you free. What was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?

 

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Even love and mercy are a 'law' until we receive His Life...

Romans 5:5 KJV
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
 
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Jesus said there was mercy in the law, revealing this truth to the hypocrites.

How can there be mercy in the law when disobedience to the law brings death.

The only mercy that can be found in the law is what it leads us to. which is christ

That is the purpose of the schoolmaster.


The only mercy in the law can be found in love, yet that law was not new at the giving of the law to moses. It was already well established from the time of Adam.