An Often Overlooked Sign of the Last Days

[ember]

And here is a list describing the attributes of someone who actually may be called of God to minister in whatever capacity

[h=4]Ten signs of a safe group/leader.[/h]

1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Anyone who proclaims a gospel different than what Christ and Paul taught is cursed.

And Paul would be "being consistent" in saying so much since John had said in respects to "receiving another" doctrine (in 2 John 1:10-11) that bidding such a one "God speed" would be the same as being "a partaker of" his evil deeds (in that very thing).

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

As Paul says,

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul just comes out and "says it" but is consistent with John's words

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Paul not bidding such a one God speed but making things very clear to the contrary

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Never heard of MAD
Where do you come up with this stuff??

I think he made up the acronym, I've never seen it before, besides his use.

Mad's distinction from classical dispensational teaching is their undue emphasis on Paul and how the Church started at Paul's conversion rather than Pentecost. Still, it doesn't deserve the label 'cursed'.

What church? Church means house, the "house of Moses", the "house of David" and a church did not start at Pentecost. Religious minds of men teach the concept the "Church" started at Pentecost, not God.

Sure it does. Paul didn't teach one gospel to the Jews and another to the Greeks. He taught one gospel to both and pronounced a curse on anyone who taught another gospel than he taught.

Correct, the word is 'accursed', because if you don't believe the gospel of your salvation, according to our apostle you are still in your flesh(Adam) and the flesh is cursed. What is it that Paul's says we have been 'begotten' by... what is a dispensation of the gospel according to the revelation of the mystery concerning the resurrection of Christ?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel

 

[Rudimental]

Thread: An Often Overlooked Sign of the Last Days

Should be renamed

Thread: I'm Looking For Signs of the Last Days

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Sure it does. Paul didn't teach one gospel to the Jews and another to the Greeks. He taught one gospel to both and pronounced a curse on anyone who taught another gospel than he taught.

Look at this in addition to what I shared in my last post.

"For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh"

Our gospel, the gospel of the grace of God, is a term that has meaning by revelation, it is not a progressive knowledge of the prophecy program... it is not extended to time past or in the ages to come, this is a dispensational purpose of God, the gospel of your salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think he made up the acronym, I've never seen it before, besides his use.

Q17 : Mid-Acts Dispensationalism
Why Be Concerned With Mid Acts Dispensationalism?
Fundamental errors of the Mid-Acts dispensationalist doctrine

 

[coby]

Matthew 10:5-6, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

Proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom they were to say, "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" and then go about doing miracles. Is that the same gospel we preach today?

This is the proclamation of the physical kingdom to Israel. That's why it was not meant for the Gentiles or Samaritans.

That is the gospel we have to preach and some do but I think the majority of the West who are supposed to have heard the gospel haven't heard this at all and seen proclaimed with the same power.
This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached to all nations and then the end shall come.
It was meant for Israel first, in Acts it's also for the rest, Judea, Samaria

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Q17 : Mid-Acts Dispensationalism
Why Be Concerned With Mid Acts Dispensationalism?
Fundamental errors of the Mid-Acts dispensationalist doctrine

Ok, I see MAD in one of those, smiling, thank you. So, in your opinion, what is the main difference in MAD and Acts 2-9rs? or Acts 11, 13 or 28ers? Just digging at you, because I know you don't know (or care probably), you just want to drop the curse bomb, haha. So, answer me this, is God a dispensationalist? Is God a theologian?

 

[coby]

Muslims Turning to Christ in Record Numbers; 450,000 Join Iranian House Church Movement - Christian News Headlines

 

[resurrection33]

168 replies in 21 hours. That's quite a few.

 

[DP]

I have only begun watching Joseph Prince lately and not all the time

But the link to 8 signs of Hypergrace? it doesn't wash DP...not even with a facecloth..these things do not apply to Joseph Prince. Do you have any clue as to what he actually does preach?..He is very much against sin, often uses the OT, I have never heard him speak against the (cough cough) institutional church...which is actually steeped in sin IMO, so that might make me a cult member. frankly the list forgot some very, VERY telling signs of cult leaders.

Whoever made up that list, had something else in mind besides cult and I'll show that by dealing with the items in the list

Here's the gist of it:

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it.
What is hyper-grace?

 

[Grace777x70]

"hyper grace" is a term coined by Dr. Brown and there are a lot of assumptions made that are wrong. There are some things that 'conflict" with what religious upbringing has taught us and this roils some folks up as well..

Here is a response to the "assumptions" and mis-understandlings....in saying that there is a small fringe group that say they can sin all they want because grace covers it.

If grace is taught without transformation there it is a perversion as true grace changes us after we get an understanding of acceptance grace. Joseph Prince always says.."Right believing will always produce right living"

I encourage people to get the true facts and see what is really being said as people "twist" what is said to make it appear it's saying something different. A common trait is to make someone's quote out of context and put a "spin" on what was said. This is a common thing with religious attacks to the gospel of the grace of Christ.

The website below answers Dr. brown and also has many other articles about "what is really being said."..I encourage people to check things out for themselves. The Holy Spirit within you will witness to what is true...trust Him.

Search Results hyper grace – Escape to Reality

 

[Willie-T]

Here's the gist of it:

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it.
What is hyper-grace?

Being truthful, the term "Hyper-Grace" is usually only used to try and slot people who understand Jesus' message, into a pigeon-hole so they, hopefully, can be summarily "dismissed."

 

[AuntieAnt]

I find the older I get, the more evident Jesus (the Living Word, the Truth) appears to me, the more comprehensible the Holy Spirit's voice, the more everything else is fading away like a soft mist. This might come as a shock to some, but I don't even have to rummage through the Bible anymore looking for help. I just talk to God plainly. I'm not gonna get hornswoggled by any deceiver because the only deceiver is my flesh. And I don't put any trust in that. I only trust the Lord. He makes me hear Him. God is so very faithful.

 

[Grace777x70]

That is true Willie.....there is a religious/political "spin" that comes against the gospel of the grace of Christ. This guy back in 2010 way before Dr. Brown came out with the term taught on why the gospel of grace is being attacked. He shows that Stephen was killed for it. Paul was repeatedly attacked and slandered with the accusations that he was saying they could sin all they wanted " Romans 3:8

It's in the "spin" and "twists" of what is really being said that is deceptive and slanderously done.

Watch this video and see what is really happening behind the scenes. He describes things he was being accused of which was total foolishness and lies and slander as usual. It's an eye opener!


[video=vimeo;11804054]https://vimeo.com/11804054[/video]

Being truthful, the term "Hyper-Grace" is usually only used to try and slot people who understand Jesus' message, into a pigeon-hole so they, hopefully, can be summarily "dismissed."

 

[Chuckt]

An often over looked sign depicting the last days is not wars and rumors of wars, or the restoration of Israel, or earthquakes, nor is it Gog surrounding and attacking Israel, or the increase of violence, but rather it is the proliferation of false prophets and teachings that will mark the end days. People will pooh pooh sound doctrine. Truth will be secondary.

An overlooked sign is the population explosion and China itself has surpassed that.

 

[Magenta]

I find the older I get, the more evident Jesus (the Living Word, the Truth) appears to me, the more comprehensible the Holy Spirit's voice, the more everything else is fading away like a soft mist. This might come as a shock to some, but I don't even have to rummage through the Bible anymore looking for help. I just talk to God plainly. I'm not gonna get hornswoggled by any deceiver because the only deceiver is my flesh. And I don't put any trust in that. I only trust the Lord. He makes me hear Him. God is so very faithful.

That is very wise You say the deceiver is your flesh. I am curious to know if you could expound some more upon this idea? I am in full agreement with you, by the way I would like you to expound upon it further because I just had someone talk down to me because I said that Satan is in dwelling. It does seem to me that we have the right to be called children of God because God indwells us... and Jesus told certain people that they were children of the devil, so it would follow that Satan also indwells people. Would you agree with this? And that since our battle is a spiritual battle, we still engage in an inner battle against the enemy of life? Even though He Who is in us is stronger than he who is in the world, and we have been called out of the world, for we are still in the world, though not of it... Thank you!

 

[Willie-T]

I don't question the good intention, but it is dangerous to tell people they don't have to confess sin.

https://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/...oes-jesus-didnt-set-us-free-to-sin-he-set-us/

The main trouble here, besides such a statement being all wrong, is that what Grace Believers say is that it is not REQUIRED to regain Salvation by confessing each sin. OF COURSE we confess our sins. How could we tell God we are sorry, if we couldn't say what we are sorry for?

You know very well that there are sins you (and each of us) commit regularly that we have not confessed. Maybe because we aren't aware of them, or that we really don't think we are sinning. But that leaves us with a problem. Just because we might not consider an action of ours, a sin, if it is to God, then it IS, period.

But, we haven't done the "legal thing" and made confession. So, play it any way you want to, that leaves that "sin" un-confessed.

We say God knows, and understands. You say, "No, you now have un-confessed sin in your life, and are, therefore, forever out of fellowship with God until you fulfill the legal obligation of "confessing" that particular sin.

Basically, you are condemning yourself, and denying the gift of already having been forgiven, by making "confession" a law that you have to keep, in each and every circumstance. (Or, are you admitting you can be forgiven without confessing?)

 

[Grace777x70]

I know I confess everything to my loving Father..I ,love to run to Him when I sin or mess up or fall short in any area of my life. Sin is unbelief in the true character of God and it means that I am ignorant of the life of Christ that is in me and what he has down in His finished work.

For me it was part of my religious upbringing and wanting to "get right" because I was told this is the way it is....ask for forgiveness in order to get that forgiveness .........which in reality is already ours in Christ.

The other part is when you see how horrid it really is when we mess up....sin....transgress.... whatever term you want to use. ...what I see is my unbelief in the goodness and love of my Father and Lord Jesus for me. That is the horrid part because I know that is not Their character..

.I love to kneel quickly and tell my Father how I trust in Him..how what I did was wrong..sometimes I use the word sin..sometimes I don't..I think that is irrelevant...I run to my Father and tell Him how that His Son..my Lord is my life..my righteousness,..Jesus Blood has secured my redemption and forgiveness of sins....I confess what God says about me...I tell Him I love Him and trust in Him...

I have not asked for forgiveness in order to be forgiven for quite some time now...but I always talk with my Lord about what I do or don't do...

You know ...He always loves on me and tells me He loves me and that He is my life and strength. Sometimes I have felt a warm liquid like feeling of pure love fall on me..and I just sit there in His presence and weep..I can't move a muscle..He is so mighty in power yet His love and total acceptance is the most overwhelming aspect of His presence.


To me..all sin is relational. All sin is a failure to see the life of Christ in me. I am ignorant of His life in me. To me..most outward sin is just a "fruit" of the real sin.

For example..If I steal something..that is a sin..but the real sin behind that is the failure to recognize my Father will take care of me. I am operating in the flesh. I want to take things into my own hand and "do" things. ( I don't steal....well I haven't since I was a kid...not that I can remember anyway..it's just an example )

This truth applies to all areas of our lives. This is something that the Lord is showing me now at this stage in my life with Him.

 

[Chuckt]

And here is a list describing the attributes of someone who actually may be called of God to minister in whatever capacity

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.

1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

This wouldn't be a Church leader because if wolves come into church, a safe Church leader would have to say, "Out!"
A safe Christian leader would hear heresy in Church and have to tell the non-Christians, "I forbid you to speak!"
A safe Christian leader would not only know the truth but be a salesman and not a consumer.
A safe Christian leader would not believe every person that comes into church:

1 John 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

A safe Christian leader is Jesus and He will rebuke many people:

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The premise with trying to figure out what is safe and is not safe is neither here nor there.

John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

Jesus didn't trust all men so therefore he didn't commit Himself to people because He knew how sinful all human beings are:

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

How would you like to think of the human race as evil?

The way to know a safe Christian leader is to know doctrine and that wouldn't exclude satan or his demons either but it eliminates everyone else.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

A safe leader would know the truth but the Bible says that everyone has been deceived.

A safe Christian is one that knows His bible:

Hebrews 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

When we show Christian maturity, we learn how to study the Bible ourselves and we have use our senses to discern both good and evil through Biblical exercise and not to trust in quizzes or tests because we trust in Jesus and not man because man is sinful.

Do you know why I use old commentaries? Because those men won't lie to me about modern day things because they are dead.