The Dilemma

[Grace777x70]

First you have to know who He is. Second, the only way you can walk in Him is to be born again of the Holy Spirit and have Him dwelling in you, and you also in Him.

When He is dwelling in you, only then can you walk in the Way, the Truth, and the Life of God's words, which is walking in righteousness and obedience to Jesus words, sayings, and commandments. This is not "self righteousness" as some try to falsely accuse, but it is Christ our righteousness working through us to do God's will. Faith includes us being faithful and also obedient to His words, by this you will know if a person truly loves God, and also that the Love of God truly dwells in them.

Great job on this post..this is the first post where I have seen that you are starting to understand the gospel of the grace of Christ. Well done. You are on your way...keep on it as the true gospel of the grace of Christ will set us all free! I am excited for you! Praise God! Jesus is awesome....isn't He? Don't you just love Him?

 

[Magenta]

Hello magenta...
I was not referring to ppl having close friends that they physically see and invite to their house or go bowling with.

I was referring to 'christians' in a public forum cyberspace and how they often exclusivise and ostracize others in a form of treating others as if they're not good-enough or welcome in their private club.

I see a big difference between physical contact/fellowship, and on-line public communication amongst ppl who claim to be one in Christ...

But that is not the point of my previous post,
(if ppl ... 'christians' ... want to treat others like that, that's their business, and it's probly not the kind of folks we'd want as friends, anyway, right?),

but my 'dilemma' point was what constitutes walk...

I was only laying out examples,
not calling anyone into a specific thing...
just laying out examples of how ppl interact or treat each other,
and the things we do on a daily basis,
eating sleeping bathroom,
and what, of those kinds of examples of things,
would constitute walking in the spirit or the flesh
and should we have a fear of being left out
if we're not 'walking' the right way at any given moment.

Also, well, I'll leave my next question for another time, but for now, does my explanation of my 'dilemma' question make sense? I hope?

The idea of ppl having friends sounds like a great thing, I would encourage it, and wish it was more of a reality in my own life, moreso than just some aquaintances, but that wasn't what I was referring to at all.

It was just a secondary example with regards to cyber-socializing amongst brothers/sisters in Christ, and how does this modern-day phenomenon fit in with the biblical idea of 'walking in the flesh/spirit.

Thank you for your response. I am still trying to figure out, though, how people developing relationships that are close with certain people and naturally exclude others can be seen as something that is not Christian, even here in cyberspace. It comes to me that Jesus had His inner circle among the greater number of twelve, and always there were others following along, more on the periphery. I wonder how often they felt left out. Even among the twelve, they jostled for position with Him. Jesus must have seen it as somewhat petty at times but on the other hand He completely understood each of them individually and comprehended with precision and perfection each of their individual needs, which is not something we are naturally capable of with ease as humans. I say with ease because hammering out the understanding between people can often be painful, as we see here with our attempts to come to a better perhaps more nuanced and more detailed understanding of Scripture and each other in the process. But even setting better understanding of Scripture aside for the moment... I grew up in a large family and so learned at a young age to simply retreat from confrontation, because it was too uncomfortable, and too stressful, and it was constant, just as we find in life, and so seek some sort of refuge in our friends who understand or get us or don't have expectations of us that cause us greater stress or discomfort, with whom we can experience peace and joy. Obviously that is not going to be everyone because people's personalities and perceptions clash. Life is truly complicated and simplicity sometimes is a welcome respite. I may be rambling a bit. I just woke up a while ago, have not eaten yet, and have a terrible headache My apologies if I have wandered off point.

 

[Magenta]

Hello magenta...
I was not referring to ppl having close friends that they physically see and invite to their house or go bowling with.

I was referring to 'christians' in a public forum cyberspace and how they often exclusivise and ostracize others in a form of treating others as if they're not good-enough or welcome in their private club.

I see a big difference between physical contact/fellowship, and on-line public communication amongst ppl who claim to be one in Christ...

But that is not the point of my previous post,
(if ppl ... 'christians' ... want to treat others like that, that's their business, and it's probly not the kind of folks we'd want as friends, anyway, right?),

but my 'dilemma' point was what constitutes walk...

I was only laying out examples,
not calling anyone into a specific thing...
just laying out examples of how ppl interact or treat each other,
and the things we do on a daily basis,
eating sleeping bathroom,
and what, of those kinds of examples of things,
would constitute walking in the spirit or the flesh
and should we have a fear of being left out
if we're not 'walking' the right way at any given moment.

Also, well, I'll leave my next question for another time, but for now, does my explanation of my 'dilemma' question make sense? I hope?

The idea of ppl having friends sounds like a great thing, I would encourage it, and wish it was more of a reality in my own life, moreso than just some aquaintances, but that wasn't what I was referring to at all.

It was just a secondary example with regards to cyber-socializing amongst brothers/sisters in Christ, and how does this modern-day phenomenon fit in with the biblical idea of 'walking in the flesh/spirit.

Thank you for your response. I am still trying to figure out, though, how people developing relationships that are close with certain people and naturally exclude others can be seen as something that is not Christian, even here in cyberspace. It comes to me that Jesus had His inner circle among the greater number of twelve, and always there were others following along, more on the periphery. I wonder how often they felt left out. Even among the twelve, they jostled for position with Him. Jesus must have seen it as somewhat petty at times but on the other hand He completely understood each of them individually, and comprehended with precision and perfection each of their individual needs, which is not something we are naturally capable of with ease as humans. I say with ease because hammering out the understanding between people can often be painful, as we see here with our attempts to come to a better perhaps more nuanced and more detailed understanding of Scripture and each other in the process. But even setting better understanding of Scripture aside for the moment... I grew up in a large family and so learned at a young age to simply retreat from confrontation, because it was too uncomfortable, and too stressful, and it was constant, just as we find in life, and so seek some sort of refuge in our friends who understand or get us or don't have expectations of us that cause us greater stress or discomfort, with whom we can experience peace and joy. Obviously that is not going to be everyone because people's personalities and perceptions clash. Life is truly complicated and simplicity sometimes is a welcome respite. I may be rambling a bit. I just woke up a while ago, have not eaten yet, and have a terrible headache My apologies if I have wandered off point.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Great job on this post..this is the first post where I have seen that you are starting to understand the gospel of the grace of Christ. Well done. You are on your way...keep on it as the true gospel of the grace of Christ will set us all free! I am excited for you! Praise God! Jesus is awesome....isn't He? Don't you just love Him?

This is what I've always preached, and I have already been set free by Jesus Christ. Perhaps the Lord has just started to open your eyes to see, and unplug your ears to hear what we who are of the Spirit have been saying all along. And yes, of course I love Him.

 

[Depleted]

That is foolishness Lynn....Jesus Himself has put teachers in the body of Christ for us to grow in the grace and knowledge of Him. Obviously you are mis-interpreting what is really being said here.

People who believe in the grace of God continually lift up Jesus and point to Him for all things and we grow in Him by grace through faith in what He has already done.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord, who was testifying to the word of His grace, granting that signs and wonders be done by their hands.

2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

I lived through the aftermath of a false teacher without even ever hearing the false teacher/conman. I joined what was left of that church right after he took the young and the hurting away. I learned what the damage looks like because of that.

Who knows how many people are following that false teacher and believing the message? But I see what will become of them someday. Someday, they'll finally come to the realization that God didn't even "fix them" after mustering all the faith in the "grace" they could muster. And they're hurting. And they're broken. Even more broken than before. And it will take months, or years, or decades, or maybe never to come to the realization they never were following God. They follow a man who got rich off them following him.

I see the damage done. He's not the first charlatan. He won't be the last, but the only thing left behind is a bunch of broken, confused and poor people wondering how God goofed.

That's the damage of people like Joseph Prince, and yet his followers pawn it off as "you don't understand."

You're right! I don't understand. I don't understand Jimmy Jones, Neil Kay, Benny Hinn, Joel Olsteen or Joseph Prince. And I never want to understand. It's too dark for my taste, and I'm one of the people working to put the soothing balm of the real God onto the pain of disabled people finally realizing it is not God's will to heal them today, nor may it happen in this lifetime. It is God's will. It is his glory. It is our good, and that rich man who took your money for a promise he could never keep and never planned on trying is just another hurdle to overcome.

Once in a while, I'd like to teach that to people before the hurdle breaks them worse.

Funny thing, Scientologists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses also all claim everyone just can't understand too. Sometimes the problem is we know what we're seeing.

 

[Grace777x70]

This is what I've always preached, and I have already been set free by Jesus Christ. Perhaps the Lord has just started to open your eyes to see, and unplug your ears to hear what we who are the Spirit have been saying all along. And yes, of course I love Him.

I truly hope so and I do pray for you.....God bless you as you follow Him in your life....


Everyone in Christ is in the Spirit....there are "special people in the Spirit"

Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

 

[Grace777x70]

I lived through the aftermath of a false teacher without even ever hearing the false teacher/conman. I joined what was left of that church right after he took the young and the hurting away. I learned what the damage looks like because of that.

Who knows how many people are following that false teacher and believing the message? But I see what will become of them someday. Someday, they'll finally come to the realization that God didn't even "fix them" after mustering all the faith in the "grace" they could muster. And they're hurting. And they're broken. Even more broken than before. And it will take months, or years, or decades, or maybe never to come to the realization they never were following God. They follow a man who got rich off them following him.

I see the damage done. He's not the first charlatan. He won't be the last, but the only thing left behind is a bunch of broken, confused and poor people wondering how God goofed.

That's the damage of people like Joseph Prince, and yet his followers pawn it off as "you don't understand."

You're right! I don't understand. I don't understand Jimmy Jones, Neil Kay, Benny Hinn, Joel Olsteen or Joseph Prince. And I never want to understand. It's too dark for my taste, and I'm one of the people working to put the soothing balm of the real God onto the pain of disabled people finally realizing it is not God's will to heal them today, nor may it happen in this lifetime. It is God's will. It is his glory. It is our good, and that rich man who took your money for a promise he could never keep and never planned on trying is just another hurdle to overcome.

Once in a while, I'd like to teach that to people before the hurdle breaks them worse.

Funny thing, Scientologists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses also all claim everyone just can't understand too. Sometimes the problem is we know what we're seeing.

I know lynn..everyone is a heretic if they don't believe what "I" believe..I understand.

There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.

Looks like a whole lot of people didn't understand these people either.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."

It's the nature of the beast.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff

 

[Depleted]

I agree.....we start in the grace that is in Jesus and we finish with the same grace.

Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Colossians 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

Same problem. Instead of being perfected by God, your plan is to be perfected by one of his many attributes, thus killing off that attribute as truly from God and making an interpretation -- Prince's interpretation -- of a god.

Proof? Col. 2:6 was the middle of a sentence in the middle of a larger concept, but you whittled it down to just the part you wanted it to say. Read the whole chapter and take particular note of two verses down. It has Prince all over that one, and not a good thing.

Like I said, I don't understand, but I know it when I see it.

 

[Depleted]

How do we walk in Him?

Read the whole thought that Col. 2:6 was plucked out of. It answers your questions. Read the whole book. It gives a fuller picture.

 

[Grace777x70]

Same problem. Instead of being perfected by God, your plan is to be perfected by one of his many attributes, thus killing off that attribute as truly from God and making an interpretation -- Prince's interpretation -- of a god.

Proof? Col. 2:6 was the middle of a sentence in the middle of a larger concept, but you whittled it down to just the part you wanted it to say. Read the whole chapter and take particular note of two verses down. It has Prince all over that one, and not a good thing.

Like I said, I don't understand, but I know it when I see it.

This is what people are trying to do...get us to lean on Christ and all that He has done.

You seem to be constantly missing the "walk in Him, in Christ " part for some reason.

We are saved by grace through faith in all that Jesus has done for us.

Your malice towards a teacher in the body of Christ does not change this fact.

Anyway I will leave you to continue to slander others because you don't agree with a teaching they may have.

Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

 

[B1Davanda]

Falling from Grace, Surely means what it says.. Falling from the knowledge of Grace.. Over these past few days I have been so confused about all the different doctrines I have heard.. I can't receive anything other than Jesus is everything.. Jesus has done everything.. He has enabled me to do all things.. Not because of my effort but because of his grace.. Anything that says we have to "do" only makes us opinionated and proud.. Self preservation is the foundation of all works.. I have tried it and it's ugly.

As I write this my heart is so tender and my eyes are streaming because I'm so relieved to know that I no longer need to do anything.. He has done it all..

"It is finished" he cried..

This by no means I can do whatever I want.. I think the preaching of this is heresy.. What it does mean is that if I know his love and allow him to love me I'll not want to do things that grieve his heart.

There's a huge difference.. Without knowing the love and the grace of God even the new testament brings condemnation to a striving heart. Everything is by his grace.. Everything. Only when we know and understand this will we die to self... Dying to ourselves in not an action on our part it is grace that melts away our self centeredness. . PRAISE OUR RISEN KING

My post doesn't really go with the OP.. I just felt it on my heart to share after a few posts I read xx

Amen and praise the Lord! I admit I didn't read back too far in the thread, so I thank Grace7s for reposting this, but wow Jenna, this is an astounding turn from some posts I remember reading of yours before, and I am rejoicing with you,
^THIS THIS THIS^ is what it's all about! God bless you!
There are some of the anti-grace crowd from some other threads that got deleted that I wish would read this, and also any believers, myself included, who tend to lose this focus and message at times, and need a refreshing, renewing reminder of the love and grace and once-for-all gift of Jesus, and the joy of salvation in Him. Thank you and God bless you for a beautiful testimony and post!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I truly hope so and I do pray for you.....God bless you as you follow Him in your life....


Everyone in Christ is in the Spirit....there are "special people in the Spirit"

Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Believe it or not, I also have prayed for you, this also is the will of God. Peace

 

[Grace777x70]

Believe it or not, I also have prayed for you, this also is the will of God. Peace

Amen...pray without ceasing...along with rejoice always....thank you for praying for me. I covet your prayers in the spirit.

I have a question for you. What if someone doesn't pray for a week nor do they rejoice..they are not "doing the will of God" for that week...if they die at the end of that week...do they go to hell because they didn't "do the will of God"?


1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Rejoice always;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] pray without ceasing;
[SUP]18 [/SUP] in everything give thanks; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

 

[Depleted]

Hello magenta...
I was not referring to ppl having close friends that they physically see and invite to their house or go bowling with.

I was referring to 'christians' in a public forum cyberspace and how they often exclusivise and ostracize others in a form of treating others as if they're not good-enough or welcome in their private club.

I see a big difference between physical contact/fellowship, and on-line public communication amongst ppl who claim to be one in Christ...

But that is not the point of my previous post,
(if ppl ... 'christians' ... want to treat others like that, that's their business, and it's probly not the kind of folks we'd want as friends, anyway, right?),

but my 'dilemma' point was what constitutes walk...

I was only laying out examples,
not calling anyone into a specific thing...
just laying out examples of how ppl interact or treat each other,
and the things we do on a daily basis,
eating sleeping bathroom,
and what, of those kinds of examples of things,
would constitute walking in the spirit or the flesh
and should we have a fear of being left out
if we're not 'walking' the right way at any given moment.

Also, well, I'll leave my next question for another time, but for now, does my explanation of my 'dilemma' question make sense? I hope?

The idea of ppl having friends sounds like a great thing, I would encourage it, and wish it was more of a reality in my own life, moreso than just some aquaintances, but that wasn't what I was referring to at all.

It was just a secondary example with regards to cyber-socializing amongst brothers/sisters in Christ, and how does this modern-day phenomenon fit in with the biblical idea of 'walking in the flesh/spirit.

If they exclude me, I automatically assume whew! Saves me time and effort. (It helps to know you know me well enough to know I go where I'm not always invited anyway.)

As for eating sleeping and bathroom -- how big and clean is your bathroom?

(Hey, I resisted the first time you wrote that. I couldn't the second time.

)

Truthfully, walking is walking. Spending time in Christ and with him. As for how others walk? I'm still of the opinion that I really have enough trouble putting one foot in front of the other without tripping that I don't spend much time deciding how others should walk. (Which goes back to me walking where not invited.) The only things I don't like is when the walk is aimed at hurting or tripping another bro. ("Stumbling blocks.")

There will always be people who like excluding. We have our biggest advantage if they are Christians. They get stuck with the rest of us for eternity.

(Is that the Christian version of Revenge of the Nerds?)

 

[Depleted]

I know lynn..everyone is a heretic if they don't believe what "I" believe..I understand.

There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.

Looks like a whole lot of people didn't understand these people either.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."

It's the nature of the beast.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff

Well played. Contact Scientologist. They might want to hire you.

 

[Depleted]

Amen and praise the Lord! I admit I didn't read back too far in the thread, so I thank Grace7s for reposting this, but wow Jenna, this is an astounding turn from some posts I remember reading of yours before, and I am rejoicing with you,
^THIS THIS THIS^ is what it's all about! God bless you!
There are some of the anti-grace crowd from some other threads that got deleted that I wish would read this, and also any believers, myself included, who tend to lose this focus and message at times, and need a refreshing, renewing reminder of the love and grace and once-for-all gift of Jesus, and the joy of salvation in Him. Thank you and God bless you for a beautiful testimony and post!

Be careful. It looks like Christianity, but so does Mormonism and JW's until you look closer.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well played. Contact Scientologist. They might want to hire you.

LOL...good one..do you have their number?...that made me laugh..thanks..it's good to add some humor into the mix...


[video=youtube;F1tNjT7x8k0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1tNjT7x8k0[/video]

 

[B1Davanda]

Thank you for your response. I am still trying to figure out, though, how people developing relationships that are close with certain people and naturally exclude others can be seen as something that is not Christian, even here in cyberspace. It comes to me that Jesus had His inner circle among the greater number of twelve, and always there were others following along, more on the periphery. I wonder how often they felt left out. Even among the twelve, they jostled for position with Him. Jesus must have seen it as somewhat petty at times but on the other hand He completely understood each of them individually, and comprehended with precision and perfection each of their individual needs, which is not something we are naturally capable of with ease as humans. I say with ease because hammering out the understanding between people can often be painful, as we see here with our attempts to come to a better perhaps more nuanced and more detailed understanding of Scripture and each other in the process. But even setting better understanding of Scripture aside for the moment... I grew up in a large family and so learned at a young age to simply retreat from confrontation, because it was too uncomfortable, and too stressful, and it was constant, just as we find in life, and so seek some sort of refuge in our friends who understand or get us or don't have expectations of us that cause us greater stress or discomfort, with whom we can experience peace and joy. Obviously that is not going to be everyone because people's personalities and perceptions clash. Life is truly complicated and simplicity sometimes is a welcome respite. I may be rambling a bit. I just woke up a while ago, have not eaten yet, and have a terrible headache My apologies if I have wandered off point.

It's okay. No, I never said anything about having friends being not-christian or anything. Maybe you're reading words/meanings into my post that aren't there, and the point about friends was not the point of my other post, which I tried to explain in the last one.
Did you think I said People developing relationships that are close to each other is 'not-christian'? If so, I don't know why you think I said that.

Friendships in Christ sounds GREAT!

In my opinion, there is a Major difference between God walking the earth and choosing people to be the first disciples to carry His message of love and forgiveness and salvation to the world, and ppl on a public internet chat site having private movie night, or treating other believers like they aren't good enough for their club, but again, that wasnt even the point of my posts...at all,

and after reading JennaLeannes wonderful testimony, I see the silliness of my posts anyway, whether the right or wrong meaning is there.

I am rejoicing in our risen King, and salvation as a gift by His grace, and I'd love to do that with everyone here, so I'm stepping past my earlier questions.

I don't care how ppl want to judge what constitutes walking in the flesh or spirit...I'm rejoicing in God my Saviour Jesus, and I thank the Lord for His unspeakable gift! \/ God bless you sincerely and abundantly! Peace in Christ.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Amen...pray without ceasing...along with rejoice always....thank you for praying for me. I covet your prayers in the spirit.

I have a question for you. What if someone doesn't pray for a week nor do they rejoice..they are not "doing the will of God" for that week...if they die at the end of that week...do they go to hell because they didn't "do the will of God"?


1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Rejoice always;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] pray without ceasing;
[SUP]18 [/SUP] in everything give thanks; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

I don't believe God will cast you off if you miss a few prayer sessions, but prayer is a good way for us to stay in touch with God. I believe one sincere prayer in a week is better than 7 insincere and repetitious prayers in a week. God knows our hearts.

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't believe God will cast you off if you miss a few prayer sessions, but prayer is a good way for us to stay in touch with God. I believe one sincere prayer in a week is better than 7 insincere and repetitious prayers in a week. God knows our hearts.

I agree about prayer.....

So, this person even not doing "the will of God" that week and died would go to heaven then...right?