You Are A New Creation!

[miknik5]

You guys are so wise. We should not stand in judgement over each others lifestyles.

But we should confront real sin, because sin is what destroys lives and ones walk with Christ.

But are you actually saying sin does not matter, and righteousness just happens, like does a seed become a plant without water and sunlight?

But you appear to be condemning people for having standards and saying they are hypocrites. Has it never occured to you that you are actually doing the same thing, but stopping people from saying walking with the Lord changes people and compromise matters. You cannot follow Jesus without recognising righteousness matters. Once you say sin is ok, just what everyone does, you have just become religious. But no you are not religious because you have been born again but with no evidence. Opps.

We are called to encourage each other to be pure, blameless, above reproach. But I think this went out the window for some, and low and behold it does not matter. Sounds 100% what sinners go all the time to justify their own sin and compromise. Jesus is powerful, but being addicted to drugs or alcohol is just a minor issue, that does not need dealing with.

The Letter to the Romans will remind you of "the righteousness" of GOD...which is now made known...

And you are right...we should not judge ANYTHING...it is HE alone who will lay bare the hidden agenda of the heart and the mind of all men to see what was done IN CHRIST...

But in that also, you should then NOT ASSUME that those who aren't ANNOUNCING their works are somehow taking the GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE as some sort of free license to sin.

For you know what the WORD of GOD says regarding this...and that, even in the time of Paul there were many who were judging those in the BODY...and shouldn't have...

Which is why Paul said he did not care about man's judgments...and that he no longer judged himself...that this did not make him "innocent" but that his conscience was clear...and if our conscience does NOT betray us, we do have the peace and confidence to come before GOD trusting in HIM and HIM alone...by faith...from faith to faith, from first to last.


And the work of the saints is to persevere...for who lays their hand to the plow and looks back?
And if we did, would HE be pleased?

Who builds without counting the cost?

Don't you think HE already knows who belongs to HIM and whom HE has called?

And we are not like those who shrink back, but are those who press on to the saving of our souls...

From faith in HIM to faith in HIM...
Pure and holy faith directed in and on HIM...the author and the finisher of our faith...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You guys are so wise. We should not stand in judgement over each others lifestyles.

But we should confront real sin, because sin is what destroys lives and ones walk with Christ.

But are you actually saying sin does not matter, and righteousness just happens, like does a seed become a plant without water and sunlight?

Who. Who says this peter I read back over and over, and not one person made this claim. Are you talking to imaginary people Peter?

 

[miknik5]

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Seems to me it is all of him, His work. We are holy (set apart) because of what he did, Not because of what we do. It is his work in us,

Some should stop trying to take credit.. and give it back to God where it belongs.

Sanctification and conformation are two different things.
Sanctification has already occurred in that CHRIST sanctified HIMSELF for us.
But to be made into HIS IMAGE, being conformed to HIS IMAGE, is an on-going work of sanctification by the SANCTIFIER...and it is GOD'S WILL that we be sanctified...

None are "perfect"...but GOD who began this good work in us will bring it to completion so that on that day, we will stand before HIM SPOTLESS/BLAMELESS: BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT.
GOD who called us into fellowship with HIS SON is faithful...and HE will do it.

Provided we, (the branches) remain in THE HOLY ROOT.
For apart from THE ROOT, what can a branch do?

Nothing.

 

[LaurenTM]

I took the liberty of bolding and enlarging a statement in your post...


What can we "get" that hasn't already been GIVEN to us...and that by GOD...
There is nothing better that can be added to our stature IN CHRIST JESUS...
We are rich...and that not of ourselves...IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD!

while that is so, it is equally so that WE are responsible for our relationship with God

for example, if I put my Bible on a shelf for the next week and don't pray, I will be filled with anxiety, probably eat chips by the bagfull (self medicate) and watch things on TV I shouldn't in order to distract myself

if I read and study my Bible and understand my part in God's great plan for us, then I shall grow IN Him and I will drink smoothies instead, exercise and limit TV

now those are simple and maybe even silly examples, but that is pretty much what would go on and some Christians would fall back into whatever sin they left when they were saved...oh wait, I would do that too

so yes, it is the gift of God and it's the gift that keeps on giving BUT IT'S UP TO US AS TO HOW MUCH WE RECEIVE. Some people never get past the bow

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody here is saying that sin is "okay". Apparently you are just having a conversation with yourself.

I sometimes wonder if I have people on ignore and just do not see these people Peter keeps talking to. Maybe we are just going nuts, and we can;t see them for some reason.??

 

[miknik5]

Amen, let us learn how to love all those we meet, express the riches of glory He has done in our hearts.

And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him.”
Rom 15:11

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
1 Cor 4:5

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Phil 4:8

I agree.

Do YOU agree?

Or, do you know your brother/sister's sin that you need to "correct" them here on a website?
Because, the only time you are to correct your brother/sister is when you LITERALLY SEE THEIR SIN...

This, what you are doing, is already some sort of self-justification..and that is judging before the time...

 

[PeterJens]

Nobody here is saying that sin is "okay". Apparently you are just having a conversation with yourself.

Thankyou for correcting me,

We all agree we should walk in righteousness, purity, blamelessly before the Lord, as Gods Holy redeemed people purchased to His glory.

I was a little confused with this analogy

A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life.

There is a lot of truth in sanctification takes time. If you have ever met addicted people, often the addiction hides deep emotional conflicts and unresolved hurts. Unless this is dealt with, unfortunately often the faith experience is just religion, and dies as the addiction takes hold and kills the person. So is trying to help in love now wrong? I wonder who puts this idea forward as sensible?

 

[miknik5]

Thankyou for correcting me,

We all agree we should walk in righteousness, purity, blamelessly before the Lord, as Gods Holy redeemed people purchased to His glory.

I was a little confused with this analogy

A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life.

There is a lot of truth in sanctification takes time. If you have ever met addicted people, often the addiction hides deep emotional conflicts and unresolved hurts. Unless this is dealt with, unfortunately often the faith experience is just religion, and dies as the addiction takes hold and kills the person. So is trying to help in love now wrong? I wonder who puts this idea forward as sensible?

What is "your work" for the one who is doing these things, sir?
And who are they?

Again, if you SEE your brother/sister sin...what are you to do about it?
And HOW are you to go about it?

Hating them, scorning them...that already is NOT doing the WORK of CHRIST in this world...and that already is going above THE MASTER and LORD and adding an element of our own IMPERFECT HUMAN NATURE to GOD'S WORK of reconciliation.

But what you have said, is the key..."HELPING IN LOVE"...yes...

So what did you need from your other brothers/sisters here?
Our approval?
Just do what is right in a world that is far from right...and do it before all men in all situations and all circumstances

 

[LaurenTM]

That's cool!

It's interesting the English word for metamorphosis which is what you described with your Sphinx moth is from the Greek word "methamorphoo". It is used when speaking to being "transformed" by the renewing of the mind in Romans 12:1.

It is also used in Jesus when he was "transformed" on the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus was transformed to His true self in the spirit when Moses and Elijah were speaking with Him.

The last place it was used was in 2 Cor 3:18 when it says as we behold the glory ( goodness - the good opinion ) of the Lord - we see Him as in a mirror and we see ourselves in Him reflecting back as we are joined as one in the spirit. It's the Holy spirit within us that "transforms" us and not ourselves.

Our job is to "behold" Jesus and with that we see all that He has done.

In every instance of being transformed it is in the "passive voice" which means that something is being done to you - it is not ourselves doing it. That goes right in line with what you said. " but we don't need someone trying to do what really only God can do"

I love how the word of God speaks truth of the rest we have in Christ and that He will perfect that which has been given to Him.

yeah! you got it!

it's a cliche, but it really is ALL about Jesus

I mean, when I spend time in worship and praising God for Himself, those are the best times and I feel so refreshed and I know I was in another dimension. God IS Spirit is not something spooky. It is fact and He alone can refresh us in our spirits.

Who can say how God brings each one of us along? It's a mystery and we choose to respond or not!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sanctification and conformation are two different things.
Sanctification has already occurred in that CHRIST sanctified HIMSELF for us.
But to be made into HIS IMAGE, being conformed to HIS IMAGE, is an on-going work of sanctification by the SANCTIFIER...and it is GOD'S WILL that we be sanctified...

None are "perfect"...but GOD who began this good work in us will bring it to completion so that on that day, we will stand before HIM SPOTLESS/BLAMELESS: BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT.
GOD who called us into fellowship with HIS SON is faithful...and HE will do it.

Up to here I agree, there is what I call positional sanctification (perfection) and conditional sanctification, which is an ongoing event which will continue until we meet the lord. And you are correct GOD WILL DO THIS THING.. it is of him, He does the work. He makes his bride spotless. We can not make ourself white as snow. only he can.

Provided we, (the branches) remain in THE HOLY ROOT.
For apart from THE ROOT, what can a branch do?

Nothing.

Then you went 180 degree out and said we must do it ourselves. It is not of God.

producing fruit is a result of salvation. Not the other way around.. Not every child will produce the same amount of fruit. SOme (like paul) will produce much fruit. Others, may produce hardly any at all. But they are both still children, Who were perfected by that one sacrifice, and God continued to sanctify them,,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thankyou for correcting me,

We all agree we should walk in righteousness, purity, blamelessly before the Lord, as Gods Holy redeemed people purchased to His glory.

I was a little confused with this analogy

A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life.

There is a lot of truth in sanctification takes time. If you have ever met addicted people, often the addiction hides deep emotional conflicts and unresolved hurts. Unless this is dealt with, unfortunately often the faith experience is just religion, and dies as the addiction takes hold and kills the person. So is trying to help in love now wrong? I wonder who puts this idea forward as sensible?

so you think we would just let this "addict" continue until he dies. with no love? With no discipline, With no counseling?

Why is it that you are so against trying to understand us peter?

 

[PeterJens]

I agree.

Do YOU agree?

Or, do you know your brother/sister's sin that you need to "correct" them here on a website?
Because, the only time you are to correct your brother/sister is when you LITERALLY SEE THEIR SIN...

This, what you are doing, is already some sort of self-justification..and that is judging before the time...

Do you know the joke with all this type of language?
We are called to point out sin, because it is so destructive, wherever we are. The verse is talking about hidden sin, or things unknown.

But what you are expressing in the above phrase appears to be saying it is wrong to disagree, which you call "correct". But here you are trying to do the same thing, which is hypocritical. Once you give up the right to stand for principles, you cannot then do exactly the same thing. So the joke is on you. Or maybe you do not understand the idea of standing for something, you have to stand for it.

 

[miknik5]

yeah! you got it!

it's a cliche, but it really is ALL about Jesus

I mean, when I spend time in worship and praising God for Himself, those are the best times and I feel so refreshed and I know I was in another dimension. God IS Spirit is not something spooky. It is fact and He alone can refresh us in our spirits.

Who can say how God brings each one of us along? It's a mystery and we choose to respond or not!

We are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is GOD who worketh in us to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE

But, "fear and trembling" I believe translate to humility and awe before HIM...aware of HIS HOLINESS and a desire to do what is right before HIM because of our love of HIM...

 

[FreeNChrist]

Thankyou for correcting me,

We all agree we should walk in righteousness, purity, blamelessly before the Lord, as Gods Holy redeemed people purchased to His glory.

I was a little confused with this analogy

A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life.

There is a lot of truth in sanctification takes time. If you have ever met addicted people, often the addiction hides deep emotional conflicts and unresolved hurts. Unless this is dealt with, unfortunately often the faith experience is just religion, and dies as the addiction takes hold and kills the person. So is trying to help in love now wrong? I wonder who puts this idea forward as sensible?

Let's get real, eh? Accusing others of saying sin is "okay" is something you constantly do. And you do that because you do not understand and accept the reality of the indwelling life of Christ. So you cannot fathom a person not sinning who isn't trying to conform themselves to some kind of external standard.

 

[miknik5]

Do you know the joke with all this type of language?
We are called to point out sin, because it is so destructive, wherever we are. The verse is talking about hidden sin, or things unknown.

But what you are expressing in the above phrase appears to be saying it is wrong to disagree, which you call "correct". But here you are trying to do the same thing, which is hypocritical. Once you give up the right to stand for principles, you cannot then do exactly the same thing. So the joke is on you. Or maybe you do not understand the idea of standing for something, you have to stand for it.

Where is your brother/sister, whom you are CURRENTLY in fellowship with here, where is their sin?

Walk in the LIGHT...and HE will reveal what needs to be revealed IF there is any need to reveal it.
But, for you to already assume in your heart, something is hidden in your brother/sister here?

Then it is already your heart that is darkened...and you are the one walking in darkness.
How can you have fellowship with your brother/sister if you are already telling them that they need to "correct" something in themselves when it is you who have to correct your own eyes...


(1John 1)

 

[PeterJens]

You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matt 10:22

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Matt 24:9

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:13

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
John 3:20

Has it occurred to anyone, standing for righteousness will bring hatred on your head, because it is saying people are sinners. But if you stop saying people are sinners, how will they know they are sinning, or even desire to deal with their sin and find life.

But give up confronting sin and they will love you, because you are just saying everything is ok, no judgement to come.

 

[miknik5]

You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matt 10:22

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Matt 24:9

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:13

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
John 3:20

Has it occurred to anyone, standing for righteousness will bring hatred on your head, because it is saying people are sinners. But if you stop saying people are sinners, how will they know they are sinning, or even desire to deal with their sin and find life.

But give up confronting sin and they will love you, because you are just saying everything is ok, no judgement to come.

MERCY covers over a multitude of sin, sir.
Not only those whom you wish to correct in ignorance, sir...but our own as well...

Did you know that anyone who stands over GOD in judgment of another...STANDS OVER GOD in JUDGMENT OF ANOTHER?

Which is why you are to dust the sand off your feet and let your peace return to you...


How about if you do what Lot did?
Pray for them and leave them to GOD who will judge justly both the "Righteous" and the wicked?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matt 10:22

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Matt 24:9

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:13

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
John 3:20

Has it occurred to anyone, standing for righteousness will bring hatred on your head, because it is saying people are sinners. But if you stop saying people are sinners, how will they know they are sinning, or even desire to deal with their sin and find life.

But give up confronting sin and they will love you, because you are just saying everything is ok, no judgement to come.

romans 1:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[SUP][c][/SUP] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, [SUP]30 [/SUP]backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[SUP][d][/SUP] unmerciful; [SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

This is what God says, the world knows what they do is sin, and they are sinners.

You do not have to judge sin, All you are required to do is to lead people to Christ. Then let Christ deal with the sin issue.. With your help if needed..

A person who is in sexual sin, and the world. who does not know Christ will never listen to you judge their sin as sin, They will ignore you, and call you out in anger..

A person who is in sexual sin, and comes to christ by your words, Will see their sin, Do what they can to change it, And maybe even ask you your help.

That is where legalism crushes people. and either keeps people from Christ, or stunts their growth, Because it is judgmental. Not loving.. It is not getting to the heart of the issue, which is our pride and self serving attitudes, from which births ALL sin. That pride and self serving attitude must be broken to change lives. That can only be done in christ. and by christ..

 

[Grace777x70]

This is what believers in the grace of our Lord Jesus have to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy....

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive..passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us changing us. )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' ( perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is in us.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

 

[BeyondET]

In line with the new creation in Christ which is mystical to the natural humanistic mindset - here is what the scriptures say concerning a new heart that is given to us because we are in Him.

The gospel is simple - the Father says believe in Christ and what He has done for us. We are called "believers" for a reason.

The understanding of what happened to us when we received Christ should be known by every believer. We are a new creation in Christ with has a new heart.

Without the understanding of the new heart in Christ we can understand why the gospel is a mystery to some and their need to humanize the gospel and turn it into a flesh trip becomes evident.

This philosophy of man is what we end up with when we don't understand the new birth in Christ and what the scriptures actually say about the believer in Christ.

The believers new heart in Christ is created in righteousness and holiness: First it was prophesied in the Old Testament.

Ezekiel 36:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone ( old man ) from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. ( new man in Christ )


Romans 2:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

By grace we have been given a new heart that is obedient.

Romans 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

God cleaned house and moved in. God will not dwell in unrighteousness. God through the Holy Spirit is in our inner man now.

Ephesians 3:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man,

[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

God sealed us and gave us the Holy Spirit in our new hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

We have the Spirit of God's Son in our hearts now.

Galatians 4:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

God has cleansed our hearts by faith.

Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

We love from our hearts now as it is pure.

1 Timothy 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

2 Timothy 2:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. (this is a believer in Christ..hang around them )

1 Peter 3:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

There are more but this should work to show that the believer has a new heart in Christ.

We still have the flesh to deal with in our bodies and if we are admonished to not to yield to that and walk by the Spirit...but all that is a different subject.

Good post brother this is how I like to learn/read post with scripture passages, with what author book the verse comes from and the numbers beside it and you've gone even farther and added what bible version your using that's excellent.

It boggles me why some post will subtract these good information points, posting one verse without the author book or number isn't that big of a deal but when running multible verses together can be confusing to say the least. In my opinion to leave out next to each verse this information makes a person have to search and find what goes to what, in which they more than likely will not even bother with the task...