Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?
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Let me ask you this question paper? Forgetting about the trinity would you say that within the pages of the Bible God the Father is identified (specifically) as God. The Son of God Jesus Christ is identified (specifically) as God and the Holy Spirit is (specifically) identified as God? This is a simple "yes and no" question? However, if you want please give a reason for which answer you choose. 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Actually the Pharisees were very much a minority group in Judaism. They numbered only 7000. But they had great self-belief like you.
I want you to believe Jesus Himself and the Apostles and not trust a false spirit,
Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23
“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26
Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18
“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9
“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)
John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).
The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19
And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)
He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15
In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9
Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13
When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6
In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (phrases exactly parallel in the Greek except one has theos the other has kurios).
Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3
He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.
Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28
I want you to believe Jesus Himself and the Apostles and not trust a false spirit,
Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23
“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26
Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18
“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9
“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)
John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).
The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19
And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)
He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15
In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9
Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13
When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6
In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (phrases exactly parallel in the Greek except one has theos the other has kurios).
Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3
He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.
Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28
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pharisees
sadducee
zealots
essenes
these were your groups in the days of Jesus, which was the biggest, had the most influence, controlled the direction of the temple and jumped when king herod said jump?
no your not, your telling me to put my faith in a group doctrine that tells me what Jesus and the 12 taught. i dont need a group to mediate between me and Jesus, He never taught that.
John 14:28
You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Mark 13:32
No One Knows That Day or Hour 32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
sadducee
zealots
essenes
these were your groups in the days of Jesus, which was the biggest, had the most influence, controlled the direction of the temple and jumped when king herod said jump?
no your not, your telling me to put my faith in a group doctrine that tells me what Jesus and the 12 taught. i dont need a group to mediate between me and Jesus, He never taught that.
John 14:28
You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Mark 13:32
No One Knows That Day or Hour 32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
I’ve been reading this forum for a while now because it’s been interesting to me. I keep seeing members, including senior members apparently, getting banned from CC just because they dared to give opinions and show scriptures that some moderator probably couldn’t handle in this room. Great way to prove how one sided and intolerant CC is becoming. Keep it up, I’m sure membership will start to decline if this continues. Just because you don’t agree with someone else’s views, doesn’t mean you have outright ban them. In fact when people disagree, they’re more likely to come back on the site with scriptures they’ve studied. Whatever happened to being able to have open discussions based on scripture here? I’m sorry because I know that I’m ranting on about this but it’s very upsetting to me when I see this happening. Could someone please explain to me why everyone is getting banned in here? Now I’m worried that I might get banned too, just for speaking out about this.
Just so you guys on here know, I’m a relatively new Christian who just recently started going to church. I don’t know very much yet and It’s why I don’t post very much. I’m still learning about it. So for now, I mostly like to read other peoples posts to get everyone’s point of view. But when I see some people being banned and called names for posting different scriptures from the bible, it honestly makes me question the other sides integrity. I am trying to understand the bible’s trinity for myself from all Christian points of view, not just the ones who have the power to ban the others. I wish they would let everyone speak about it. If you have the truth then let me see it for myself so I can compare instead of just banning the others. It actually makes me lean towards their side more when I keep seeing this happening to them. Anyways, sorry if I ruined the atmosphere in here.
Yes, OP, there is evidence for the Trinity in both the Old and New Testaments. You see the whole godhead in the Scriptures, is it always clear? No, you need to keep on reading and let He who is the Holy Spirit, illuminate the truth. The Trinity is a biblical doctrine and concept even though the term is not used in the Bible. The triune being who is God, reveals himself as such even in Genesis. You especially see this when Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River, where the Holy Spirit like a dove perched on his head and God the Father spoke from heaven to Him. If God was not a Trinity, this would not be possible and could not happen. Another thing, love always has an object. If God is just unitarian and not trinitarian, there is no way for God to love himself since he is love. But since Jesus is God, God the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, God is able to love himself since those members love each other. Think about the verses in the New Testament where Jesus says Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus loved the Father, the same way he loved Him in heaven, except for on the Earth he had to deal with the sinful nature that we inherited from Adam and praise be to God, that Jesus never sinned. Since Jesus is love personified and is God, we can through Christ love those who naturally in our sinful state we hate, dislike, are ambivalent to, etc. It can be hard to explain it, since it is a mystery how God can be one but also be three it defies human comprehension. Though even in math, it is possible. 1x1x1=1 and not three. Another example, the chemical symbol for water is H20. Water can be a solid, liquid, or a gas but it still is water its substance does not change. Water can be the type you drink, ice that you put into a drink to make it cold or colder, and steam that comes out of a kettle. But they all have the chemical symbol H20. In a similar way, God the Father is God, Jesus Christ the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. We worship one God in three Persons, God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit this is also mentioned in Matthew which is titled the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20. Christians do not worship three gods but one God as it says in Deuteronomy. If God was not a Trinity, he also would reveal that and it would not be mysterious in that way. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
Welcome to the forums oath. And I don't think you ruined anything plus the fact that this is a good place to learn. Focus on reading the threads from people and the most important thing to remember is to check out what people say by what the Bible says. The Bible is your "plumbline" and you are to compare what anybody says by the word of God.
Please read Acts 17:11, "Now these were more nobleminded than those in Thessalonica, (why oath?) for (or because) they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." In other words the Apostle Paul was saying check out anybody says by what the Bible says and this includes even checking out what Paul has said. The only way your going to grow is by studying that Bible and since your a new Christian you the Holy Sprit in you to help you. Ask yourself questions and in your spirit ask if whatever is said makes logical sense. Remember, God is never illogical, sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic but He will tell you if something does not seem right. Finally, don't hesitate to ask questions no matter what because coming to these formums foreces you to look things up and that is how you learn. Again, welcome.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Please read Acts 17:11, "Now these were more nobleminded than those in Thessalonica, (why oath?) for (or because) they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." In other words the Apostle Paul was saying check out anybody says by what the Bible says and this includes even checking out what Paul has said. The only way your going to grow is by studying that Bible and since your a new Christian you the Holy Sprit in you to help you. Ask yourself questions and in your spirit ask if whatever is said makes logical sense. Remember, God is never illogical, sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic but He will tell you if something does not seem right. Finally, don't hesitate to ask questions no matter what because coming to these formums foreces you to look things up and that is how you learn. Again, welcome.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Jesus is humbling himself to the Father in those verses, he is not denying he is God or that God the Father is greater than Him since the triune God is greater than all mankind. Keep in mind, he was on earth when he said it being fully God and fully man at same time yet never sinned. If you deny the Trinity, you are denying who God presents himself as, as seen in Genesis, in the New Testament when Jesus is baptized in the Jordan River the Holy Spirits alights on his head, and the voice of God the Father is heard saying this is my Son, in whom I am well pleased. The Trinity is not a man-made doctrine. The Holy Spirit is seen in the Old Testament, usually called the Spirit of God. God the Father is also present. There are Christophanies (preincarnate appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament such as the one who approached Joshua, the commander of the Lord's armies, the Son of God or as Nebuchadnezzar said one looks like a son of the gods or something like that in Daniel, etc). Don't take my word for it, continue to read the Bible and you will see it. If you don't see it, you sadly are blinded and need God to see it since it is present. Finally, valiant is not a Pharisee. God bless.
Welcome to the forums oath. And I don't think you ruined anything plus the fact that this is a good place to learn. Focus on reading the threads from people and the most important thing to remember is to check out what people say by what the Bible says. The Bible is your "plumbline" and you are to compare what anybody says by the word of God.
Please read Acts 17:11, "Now these were more nobleminded than those in Thessalonica, (why oath?) for (or because) they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." In other words the Apostle Paul was saying check out anybody says by what the Bible says and this includes even checking out what Paul has said. The only way your going to grow is by studying that Bible and since your a new Christian you the Holy Sprit in you to help you. Ask yourself questions and in your spirit ask if whatever is said makes logical sense. Remember, God is never illogical, sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic but He will tell you if something does not seem right. Finally, don't hesitate to ask questions no matter what because coming to these formums foreces you to look things up and that is how you learn. Again, welcome.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Please read Acts 17:11, "Now these were more nobleminded than those in Thessalonica, (why oath?) for (or because) they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." In other words the Apostle Paul was saying check out anybody says by what the Bible says and this includes even checking out what Paul has said. The only way your going to grow is by studying that Bible and since your a new Christian you the Holy Sprit in you to help you. Ask yourself questions and in your spirit ask if whatever is said makes logical sense. Remember, God is never illogical, sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic but He will tell you if something does not seem right. Finally, don't hesitate to ask questions no matter what because coming to these formums foreces you to look things up and that is how you learn. Again, welcome.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
J
Jesus is humbling himself to the Father in those verses, he is not denying he is God or that God the Father is greater than Him since the triune God is greater than all mankind. Keep in mind, he was on earth when he said it being fully God and fully man at same time yet never sinned. If you deny the Trinity, you are denying who God presents himself as, as seen in Genesis, in the New Testament when Jesus is baptized in the Jordan River the Holy Spirits alights on his head, and the voice of God the Father is heard saying this is my Son, in whom I am well pleased. The Trinity is not a man-made doctrine. The Holy Spirit is seen in the Old Testament, usually called the Spirit of God. God the Father is also present. There are Christophanies (preincarnate appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament such as the one who approached Joshua, the commander of the Lord's armies, the Son of God or as Nebuchadnezzar said one looks like a son of the gods or something like that in Daniel, etc). Don't take my word for it, continue to read the Bible and you will see it. If you don't see it, you sadly are blinded and need God to see it since it is present. Finally, valiant is not a Pharisee. God bless.
From post #1512 by JesusRules1 -- Jesus is Creator of all things,and according to His deity the Bible says He is from everlasting,which means he has no beginning(Micah 5:2),but according to His humanity He has a beginning.
Many versions of Micah 5:2, including the Complete Jewish Version say that he has an origin. You can't have an origin if you have no beginning. This, however does not necessarily change the trinity of God. If God created The Word, He then gave The Word full power and knowledge. Not that the power was in The Word, more like it flowed from God through Him. Being like minded there would be no hesitation of power flow from one to the other, so The Word had full power and direction from God to create all that was created. This last statement then begs the question: How did He create Himself? I have been pondering this for a while and have no answer other than that The Word was always in existence. As I said earlier, some bibles use the word origin, but other use the words "goings forth", which I am beginning to believe may be more accurate.
Of course, when He came to earth He gave up much of His "Godhood" to become a man to be tempted, but He was still God in the real sense and in the traditions of the times. The first born were given full rights of the father when they became of age, although I don't know when that was. I suspect that in Jesus case it was when he became 30 and began His ministry. The father was still in charge, but if the son or father was away, the son, wherever he was, being separated from his father could make legally binding deals for the family. He therefore had the power of his father and was considered the father, in legal matters. I am sure it was a similar situation with Jesus and God, but in their case God gave Jesus the power when he needed it, because Jesus said that He could do nothing without the Father.
Many versions of Micah 5:2, including the Complete Jewish Version say that he has an origin. You can't have an origin if you have no beginning. This, however does not necessarily change the trinity of God. If God created The Word, He then gave The Word full power and knowledge. Not that the power was in The Word, more like it flowed from God through Him. Being like minded there would be no hesitation of power flow from one to the other, so The Word had full power and direction from God to create all that was created. This last statement then begs the question: How did He create Himself? I have been pondering this for a while and have no answer other than that The Word was always in existence. As I said earlier, some bibles use the word origin, but other use the words "goings forth", which I am beginning to believe may be more accurate.
Of course, when He came to earth He gave up much of His "Godhood" to become a man to be tempted, but He was still God in the real sense and in the traditions of the times. The first born were given full rights of the father when they became of age, although I don't know when that was. I suspect that in Jesus case it was when he became 30 and began His ministry. The father was still in charge, but if the son or father was away, the son, wherever he was, being separated from his father could make legally binding deals for the family. He therefore had the power of his father and was considered the father, in legal matters. I am sure it was a similar situation with Jesus and God, but in their case God gave Jesus the power when he needed it, because Jesus said that He could do nothing without the Father.
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Jesus disrobed himself of the Glory of God and condescended to the state of a man....He is the physical icon of the invisible Father...while on earth in flesh he would have been LESS than his Heavenly Father...LET US make man in OUR IMAGE....man is one...with a Body, mind and spirit...the scriptures clearly teach that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit = God...period!
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Well ,sorta.
The main deal with Catholics was deifying the elements.
Those they burned would not worship the bread and wine.
( the forth dimension of God)
My point is,in their testimony,the ESSENTIALS were not negotiable,namely worship of an object.
Now,if you are unsettled about who Jesus is,there is a cure.
But don't start a website as a heretic and cultist,then teach others on this forum how to pervert the word.
The leadership here has no patience for that mess.
That is why I reported the heretic.
Go back and look how he gave the slip every time I asked him for a group that believed like him.
The main deal with Catholics was deifying the elements.
Those they burned would not worship the bread and wine.
( the forth dimension of God)
My point is,in their testimony,the ESSENTIALS were not negotiable,namely worship of an object.
Now,if you are unsettled about who Jesus is,there is a cure.
But don't start a website as a heretic and cultist,then teach others on this forum how to pervert the word.
The leadership here has no patience for that mess.
That is why I reported the heretic.
Go back and look how he gave the slip every time I asked him for a group that believed like him.
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No,they will not ban you because you are seeking truth.
I reported him after putting up with his error for many months.
When he provided a link,it was his own antichrist site. The man was anti Christ.
That was the basis of his being removed.
In fact,take a look at how long he LASTED, not the fact that they eventually removed him.
There was more than enough mercy applied on his behalf.
You won't be banned for disagreeing . But you could be for TEACHING heresy.
I reported him after putting up with his error for many months.
When he provided a link,it was his own antichrist site. The man was anti Christ.
That was the basis of his being removed.
In fact,take a look at how long he LASTED, not the fact that they eventually removed him.
There was more than enough mercy applied on his behalf.
You won't be banned for disagreeing . But you could be for TEACHING heresy.