Attack on Jerusalem

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100% correct Valiant Zone
 

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....Daniel was told that the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the temple and city, Which we now know, as you correctly said, occurred in 70 AD....
yay EG! you now believe this! YAY:)
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Physical abomination needs physical temple.
Yes the temporal as that seen as a shadow points to the eternal, the spiritual meaning ,not seen
But you surely know that for example reformation was saying it is church if you mean the antichrist sitting in it.
Yes the unbelieving-Jew missed the time of reformation (first century). They are still waiting for Christ to appear in the flesh as a one-time demonstration of a work finished as the lamb of God from the foundation of the world (six days when he did the work and rested) ..

During that time of reformation the antichrists (plural) were already here aiding Satan trying to get His foot in the door. Satan as the god of this world the antichrist(single)who leads the antichrists.( many).

So where exactly is a clear verse about rebuilding the physical Jewish temple?
It can only be a figment of ones imagination of their own heart as the false authority of faith

It clear that there will be no such temple as that seen with our eyes . The reformation has come .In the new restored way of government we are the temple made of many lively stones ,as the spiritual house His bride the Church.

We walk by the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God not by looking at the external world that will vanish .
 
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Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull


....Daniel was told that the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the temple and city, Which we now know, as you correctly said, occurred in 70 AD..
I would say when the veil was rent it was the end of the temple cerimoinal law a shadow of that not seen, the eternal .

The veil being the heart of the matter. The need for a temple was finished when Christ said: “it is finished” When the bricks came down 70 AD ,. it was not the time of reformation . The reformation in respect to the temple seen had been going on for nearly 40 years in order to get to 70 AD.
 

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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken,
and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and( half of the city) shall go forth
into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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So this is it then. THIS is the sign of the end of everything? Christians engaging in useless end-times speculation regarding things happening around Jerusalem never seems to stop, nor do previously supposed-but-failed connections of events in Jerusalem to the end-times ever seem to deter from engaging in such fruitless speculations. !948 was supposed to be THE event, then it was 1967, then it was 73, then it was 40 years from '48, then it was 50 years from '48, or 40 years from '67, or 50 years from '67, then 70 years, or 2000 or 2012, or on and on and on....

It seems at some point you would have to at least speculate a little that events in Jerusalem don't necessarily have anything to do with the end times.
 

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US released $221 million to Palestinians in Obama’s last hours
US released $221 million to Palestinians in Obama's last hours | The Times of Israel

Congress had initially green-lighted the aid package, but two House Republicans placed
a hold on the money due to concerns that the PA was seeking membership in various
international groups. Such holds are usually accepted by the executive branch, although
not legally binding—as Mr. Obama demonstrated in his last-hour act.
 

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Israel lifts restrictions on building more homes in East Jerusalem
Israel lifts restrictions on building more homes in East Jerusalem | Reuters

In his Sunday announcement, Netanyahu declared, “There is no longer a need to coordinate construction
in the Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem. We can build where we want and as much as we want.”



In a dramatic pivot in Israeli protocol, the Jerusalem municipal government approved building
permits on Sunday for 566 new homes in East Jerusalem. On the same day, Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu told his ministers that he plans on lifting restrictions on settlement construction
in the eastern parts of the city.

Trump Effect: Israel Approves East Jerusalem Building Permits
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...rael-approves-east-jerusalem-building-permits
 
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in fact, unless people are wrong the dome of the rock sits on the temple mount,
so the temple and city are being trampled as we speak.
the Temple Mount today was actually a Roman building located
at the edge, but outside, of ancient Jerusalem.

“the worshipers of the Wailing Wall are directing their present devotions
and venerations to a Roman edifice that their ancestors in Herod’s time
held in utter contempt.”

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the accounts of the destruction of Jerusalem from several eyewitnesses.

Josephus, a historian-priest who recorded the destruction of the temple
and the city in great detail.

Titus, the Roman general who oversaw the final ruin of Jerusalem, as well
as Eleazar, a historianand leader of the last remnant of the Jewish resistance
at Masada. These eyewitnesses give a different picture of where the temple
was located compared to what people believe today.

Josephus records that Caesar gave orders to the Romans to “demolish the
entire city and temple.” He and Titus wrote that Jerusalem was completely
flattened. Josephus wrote: “t was so thoroughly laid even with the ground
by those that dug it upto the foundation, that there was left nothing to make
those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. …

“For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor if anyone that had
known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known
it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have
inquired for [its whereabouts].”

If the temple, along with all of Jerusalem, was completely destroyed, then
the massive walls of the so-called Temple Mount should not be standing.

If Josephus had been so wrong in these statements, as modern scholars
believe, he would have been thoroughly discredited anciently.

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them,
See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here
one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1-2).

Christ was talking about the temple and every single one of the temple
buildings. Christ was not discussing the end time in the first two verses.

the Greek word Jesus used to describe the temple and buildings was heiron.
That means the entire temple, including its exterior buildings and walls.”

Christ prophesied that the entire temple, including its exterior buildings
and walls, would be destroyed in the first century!

Vincent’s New Testament Word Studies says this about heiron:

“The word temple, heiron (literally, ‘sacred place’), signifies the whole compass
of the sacred enclosure, with its porticoes, courts and other subordinate buildings,
and should be carefully distinguished from the other word, naos, also rendered
‘temple,’ which means the temple itself—the ‘holy place’ and the ‘holy of holies.’”


Here is Mark’s account of this conversation: “And as he went out of the temple
[heiron], one of his disciples saith untohim, Master, see what manner of stones
and what buildings are here!” (Mark 13:1). [ pluralize building]

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“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there
shall not be left onestone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (verse 2).


Mark 13:1-2 are talking about the a.d. 70 destruction. Christ looked directly at
the temple and the temple buildings when He gave this prophecy and said they
would be left without a single stone upon another. None of those buildings are
standing today!


As Christ wept over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41), He prophesied that the city would
be completely destroyed.“For the days shall come upon thee [Jerusalem], that
thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep
thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children
within thee; and they shallnot leave in thee one stone upon another …” (v43-44).

in the prophecies of Jesus, not only the stones that made up the temple and its
OUTER walls were to be torn down, but He also included within that destruction
the stones that comprised the totality of the city of Jerusalem.

Since the temple and all its walls were destroyed, what then is the edifice we
call the Temple Mount today? Why are those massive walls still standing?

Eleazar, the Jewish resistance leader, wrote, “Where is this city that was
believed to have God Himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to
the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved,
I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [camp] still
dwells upon its ruins ….”

Eleazar said the only thing unscathed from the war and still standing was
a facility located just beyond the border of ancient Jerusalem.

“That facility known as the Haram [or what is called the Temple Mount] was
officiallyreckoned as being beyond and outside the limits of Jewish Jerusalem.

That’s where the Dome of the Rock is today. It was not reckoned as being
part of the municipality of Jerusalem.”


Josephus said the Romans set fire to the whole city, demolishing even the walls.
Much of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem came after the war had ceased.

In regard to the total destruction of the temple and all its outer buildings,
a Hebrew version of Josephus (known as Josippon) states that when the inner
temple was set to the flames by the Romans, the Jewsknew their end was near.
So, to prevent the Romans from desecrating the temple by erecting another
‘abomination of desolation’like that of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Jews systematically
tore down all the inner temple and all its outer buildingsand appurtenances in order
to leave nothing of the former temple for anyone to pollute.”

Here is what the history of Josippon states: “So the flames destroyed the holy
of holies. And when the [Jewish] leaders of the rebels and their followers who
were still in the city [of Jerusalem] saw that the holy of holies had been burned,
they burned the rest of the temple together with every mansion in Jerusalem,
so that the Romans should not rule over them. And they also burned down the
rest of the temple buildings,saying: ‘Now that the holy of holies has been
burned, why go on living? Why leave house or building?’”

“I heard this angel saying to the angels who held the torches, ‘Now destroy
the walls [of the temple and Jerusalem] and overthrow them to their foundations
so that the enemies [the Romans] do not boast and say, “We have overthrown
the wall of Zion and we have burnt down the place of the mighty God.”’”

the Jews themselves helped destroy the temple so that it not be polluted
is reflected in an early Jewish work called Second Baruch.

f those rectangular walls of the Haram are those which surrounded the
Temple Mount, as we are informed by all authorities today, why did Josephus
and Titus leave out any mention about this magnificent Haram structure?
That is, where the Dome of the Rock is, and the Wailing Wall.

“The temple was especially vulnerable because the soldiers knew that was the
central treasury of the nation. Such great quantities of gold were discovered in
the ruins of Jerusalem in the sweep for riches that Josephus said the price of
that metal in the eastern empire plummeted to half its former value. …

Indeed, after an absence of about four months, Titus returned to Jerusalem
from Antioch and once again viewed the ruined city. Jerusalem was now turned
upside down without a stone left in place (just as Jesus said). Josephus states
what Titus saw. … ‘Yet there was no small quantity of the riches that had been
in that city still found among the ruins, a great deal of which the Romans dug up .’”

Even though people believe almost unanimously today that the Wailing Wall
is part of that former temple, before the 16th century “there was not a Jew in
the world who paid the slightest respect to that western Wailing Wall,”
 

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Jesus will not step foot back on this earth, we will rise to meet Him in the sky.
I tried to stay out of this but I just can't stand this Biblical ignorance any longer...

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Israel will be the chosen vessel to be a light to the Gentiles in the Millennium. First of all, the ten tribes of Israel and the two tribes of Judah will be reunited under a resurrected King David...

Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

The Apostles will each be a king over one of the tribes...

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Israel will be a light to the Gentiles...

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

In fact, there will be a triumvirate of nations...

Isa 19:21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
Isa 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

The resurrected saints will work with Christ to bring the Kingdom on earth.
 

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Yes, the Great Tribulation is over. It happened from 66 to 70 AD. The church was not raptured from it, but rather fled over the mountains as Jesus instructed. Correct also that the Wailing Wall wasn't even part of the temple mount complex. It was part of the Roman encampment to the north. The actual temple location of Herod's temple is gone.
 

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So this is it then. THIS is the sign of the end of everything?.
The Zechariah 14 Prophecy

“For I [Jesus Christ] will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished;
and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people
shall not be cut off from the city”

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There are three phases to this crisis. Zechariah starts at the Second Coming of Christ,
the third phase, and works his way backward chronologically.

The verse starts with Christ conquering the European and Asian powers
who are gathered together for battle.

The first semicolon introduces the second phase of this violent time.
The city shall be taken, houses rifled and women ravished.

This is when the king of the north (Europe) conquers the whole city of Jerusalem,
shortly after he conquers the king of the south[Iran] (Daniel 11:40-41).

Then there is another semicolon. This is the first phase, when half of Jerusalem
goes into captivity—suggesting some violence in the process.
This first phase could happen at any time

I believe there is only one logical answer: The fall of half of Jerusalem triggers
a violent and massive chain reaction that leads to Christ’s Second Coming.

The Palestinians will take half of Jerusalem. They say even now that a Palestinian
state must include East Jerusalem, which already is comprised mostly of Palestinians,
and the Temple Mount. They want Jerusalem, with the Temple Mount, as their capital.

If they take the Temple Mount, you could see that act quickly provoking more war.
The Temple Mount is holy to three great religions: Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
It is the Jews’ holiest site. The Arabs consider it their second- or third-holiest site.
Christians, especially Roman Catholics, put more emphasis on the whole city.
(Remember the Crusades?)

The Palestinians could conquer the Temple Mount and refuse access to anybody else.
This would certainly unite Europe and the Middle East Jews against the Palestinians.

This would also intensify the “push” by the king of the south against Europe (Daniel 11:40).
Such a provocative act could in itself stir Europe to attack and conquer radical Islam.
Europe would then control much of the Jerusalem area. Once it establishes that foothold,
it will quickly double cross and conquer the Middle East Jews.

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20 And when ye shall see (Jerusalem compassed with armies),
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of
by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 

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Barack Obama had A Shameful Record Against Israel

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June 4, 2009: President Obama condemns Israeli settlements in the West Bank
as “occupation” during his famous Arab outreach speech in Cairo, Egypt.

March 23, 2010:president Obama meets with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu; presents him with 13 demands; abruptly leaves room after
disagreement over Jewish settlements; no customary photo op.


May 19, 2011: Barack Obama becomes the first United States president to
officially endorse a two-state division of Israel based on its pre-1967 borders.

March 2012: High-level sources reveal that the Obama administration allegedly
leaked Israel’s secret relationship with Azerbaijan, where Israeli planes could
refuel for an air strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.

September 11, 2012: President Obama refuses to meet with Prime Minister
Netanyahu during the Israeli leader’s visit to the United States.

March 21, 2013: Obama visits Israel; refuses invitation to speak before Knesset;
speaks to students about Israel’s “foreign army” in Palestinian territory; says,
“It’s not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of their own.”

March 2015: U.S. State Department attempts to oust Netanyahu from power
by funding an opposition political group in Israel with $349,276.

April 6, 2015: President Obama says in an interview that Iran’s recognition
of Israel will not be a precondition of the Iran nuclear agreement.

January 16, 2016: President Obama lifts economic sanctions against Iran,
opening the path for an Iranian nuclear bomb.

January 19, 2016 U.S. supports EU regulation requiring goods originating in
the West Bank to be labeled separately from those made in the rest of Israel.

September 2016: White House publishes a transcript with a speech location
as Jerusalem, Israel, then republishes it with a strike through the name “Israel.”

December 23, 2016 President Obama’s United Nations ambassador breaks a
decades-long diplomatic precedent and allows a Security Council resolution to
pass that condemns Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal.

January 20, 2017: In his final hours as president, Mr. Obama gives $221 million
to the Palestinian Authority. Two House Republicans had placed a hold on the
money due to concerns about the PA, but the president did not honor the hold.

https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/14525.24.193.0/united-states/a-shameful-record-against-israel
 

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God chose Jerusalam as his city

Salem means “peace.” Jerusalem means “city of peace

“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
and he was the priest of the most high God” (Genesis 14:18).

Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham
returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham
gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness,
and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace” (Hebrews 7:1-2).

and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering
upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of” (Genesis 22:1-2).

Moriah ("ordained/considered by the LORD ") is the name given to
a mountain range, the location of the sacrifice of Isaac.

“And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son”

During the time of Joshua, Jerusalem was called Jebus (Joshua 18:28; Judges 19:10)

Jerusalem was called the “city of David.”

David was the one who finally captured Jerusalem from the Jebusites (2Samuel 5:1-6).
David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David(2Samuel 5:7-10).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion

Here Solomon's temple was built, on the spot that had been the threshing-floor
of Ornan the Jebusite (2 Sam. 24:24, 25; 2 Chr. 3:1)

God chose Jerusalam as his city, even when Isreal sinned

but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant’s sake,
and for Jerusalem’s sake which I have chosen” (1Kings 11:13)

Nebuchadnezzar left Jerusalem as a plowed field and in heaps of garbage.

Jerusalem was rebuilt, and then the Jews rebelled again in a.d.132-135.
Rome was so incensed that it destroyed every building constructed since a.d.70

“And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:
all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people
of the earth be gathered together against it” (verse 3)

“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,

God the Father did sacrifice His only begotten Son in Jerusalem

During the religious crusades, the “city of peace” again flowed with rivers of blood.
There will be no peace for the Jews and city of Jerusalam until Christ comes to reclaim her


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the good news is Jesus Christ will return to Jerusalem,this time to setup
the Kingdom of God on earth, and rule from Jerusalam for 1000 years


[h=3]Isaiah 14:7 (KJV)[/h]
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.



For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land:
and Iwill build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.


The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them;
and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.



Revelation 22:2 (KJV)
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves
of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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Islamic State in Sinai Fires Rockets at Israel

Islamic State claims Eilat rocket attack, threatens more
Islamic State claims Eilat rocket attack, threatens more | The Times of Israel

Group’s Sinai-based affiliate says it fired rockets ‘to teach Jews,
crusaders a proxy war will not avail them of anything’

the rockets were intercepted and destroyed by the Israel Defense Force’s
missile defense system, Iron Dome.

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Israel has always been in a strategically vulnerable position. Egypt in particular
is critical to Israeli security. Geopolitical analyst George Friedman wrote,
“The single most important neighbor Israel has is Egypt.”

Last night’s unpredictable launch from the Sinai shows how susceptible Israel is to
attacks from multiple fronts. Militants are encroaching from the Golan Heights,
terror groups are occupying the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and neighboring Arab
nations including Lebanon to the north and Egypt to the south are openly hostile toward
the Jewish state.
 

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Physical Jerusalem are no longer God's people. They are just like any other nation in the world today. God's people are no longer so by physical means (a husband's will) but are born of God spiritually. (John chapter one)
Agreed.

The people of God are now by Grace not race.
 

john832

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Agreed.

The people of God are now by Grace not race.
See post #89 first sentence...

Joe 3:1 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Hmmm, sounds like God is pretty serious about Jerusalem after the second coming.

Rev 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
Rev 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Now why would God name the gates to the Holy City, New Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven, after the twelve tribes of Israel? Remember this occurs AFTER the Millennium, AFTER the GWTJ and after the third resurrection in which the wicked are burned to ashes.
 
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See post #89 first sentence...

Joe 3:1 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Hmmm, sounds like God is pretty serious about Jerusalem after the second coming.

Rev 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
Rev 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Now why would God name the gates to the Holy City, New Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven, after the twelve tribes of Israel? Remember this occurs AFTER the Millennium, AFTER the GWTJ and after the third resurrection in which the wicked are burned to ashes.
That is a well thought out and challenging point.