Attack on Jerusalem

[Dan_473]

In the passage of Lk 21:20-24,

The gentiles trample Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled v 24.

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Notice that it does not refer to the temple, but only the city.

When Israel controls the city, then the ToG's is ended.

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Does the military of Israel control Jerusalem and the Temple MT.?

Yes. No other countries (gentiles) have any authority, as in military forces, over any part of the city.

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I see it differently. The Muslims who travel to that mosque are stepping on parts is Jerusalem.

 

[tanakh]

So Israel was not meant to be spiritual?

You have it all wrong. God was looking all the way through the OT for a spiritual Israel. And the elect of Israel, the remnant, were the spiritual Israel.

When Jesus came He gathered around Himself spiritual Israel, those who believed on Him and followed Him. They were His congregation/church (Matt 16.18). He commanded His apostles to gather spiritual Israel out of physical Israel. Within 5 years of His death they formed a good proportion of Israel.

But then God revealed that they were to include Gentiles in that number (Acts 10). Israel had always done so. They were called proselytes. So Gentile proselytes became members of Israel AS THEY HAD ALWAYS DONE. That is why many argued that they must be circumcised (Acts 15.1). But Paul argued that they were already circumcised with the circumcision of Christ (Col 2.11). He was thus agreeing that they had become members of Israel.

Israel today is made up of ALL BELIEVERS in the Messiah. They are NOT a replacement of Israel. They joined Israel by adoption (Ex12.48; Deut 23). They are the genuine true believing Israel (Rom 11.12-24). Unbelieving Israel is no longer Israel as far as God is concerned.

The same is true of Jerusalem. Jerusalem as accepted by God is now in Heaven (Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 12.22; Revelation), Earthly Jerusalem was rejected for rejection of its Messiah. It has no future in God's eyes except as a rebel capital (Gal 4.20 ff).

This will not be acceptable to those who follow Darby and his cronies with their wild inventions, But it is the Scriptural position.

In Mark 12 Jesus teaches the parable of the Vineyard. He clearly shows that Physical Israel was to be rejected by God. In it Israel is the Vineyard. The Husbandmen did not produce the fruit that God required. They killed his Prophets and finally killed his Son. Christs ministry was to primarily to national Israel they were given three and a half years to accept him as their Messiah but their leaders rejected him. They still reject him today so what has changed in over 2000 years?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is just prophesy running its course. Daniel was told Jerusalem would remain in this state (gentile control) until the time of the gentile is complete. and the lord returns..

It will get worse. not better..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see it differently. The Muslims who travel to that mosque are stepping on parts is Jerusalem.

in fact, unless people are wrong the dome of the rock sits on the temple mount,

so the temple and city are being trampled as we speak.

 

[garee]

I think Jerusalem is still being trampled by the gentiles. One reason is that there's a mosque on the temple grounds.

If we walked by sight that could be a reason .But the kingdom of God is not of this corrupted world. Never was never will be.

When others speak of replacement theology . Just exactly what are they replacing? The color of one skin for another?

After all there is only one bride coming down on the last day prepared as Christ's wife. one gospel .

I think when the veil was rent the reformation came. That which was seen no longer was needed as a shadow pointing to the coming of Christ in the temporal flesh. He came, He left the same he he came (no form) We are not to expect another demonstration.We continue to walk by faith not by sight after something we could do. God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman (infallible man)in between God and man given the approval by both man and God.



2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we "no man" after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ (the Holy Spirit of God) after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (the Holy Spirit of God) no more.

 

[garee]

in fact, unless people are wrong the dome of the rock sits on the temple mount,

so the temple and city are being trampled as we speak.

The temple lost its usefulness to point ahead as as a shadow when the veil was rent. Worshiping rocks that have no spirit life or use to point ahead as a parable is idol worship.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The temple lost its usefulness to point ahead as as a shadow when the veil was rent. Worshiping rocks that have no spirit life or use to point ahead as a parable is idol worship.

true,

But the bible predicts the temple will be rebuilt. It is not for us to question why or how or when. Just know it will happen.

 

[valiant]

This is just prophesy running its course. Daniel was told Jerusalem would remain in this state (gentile control) until the time of the gentile is complete. and the lord returns..

It will get worse. not better..

if you follow prophet Darby and his ilk Daniel actually said nothing of the kind,

He said the Temple would finally be destroyed in 70 AD

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if you follow prophet Darby and his ilk Daniel actually said nothing of the kind,

He said the Temple would finally be destroyed in 70 AD

Actually Gabriel said it, Daniel just wrote it down..

Daniel was told that the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the temple and city, Which we now know, as you correctly said, occurred in 70 AD

But then he said after this occurs.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

So we can also know with truth, that since the destruction in AD 70 there have been wars their ocntinuously even up until this day. SO daniels prophesy is still being fulfilled.

 

[ZEEK]

Well that is an awfully long 490 years

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well that is an awfully long 490 years

its ok. Jesus died at the end of the 69th week. And said many things would occur from that time until the abomination. In which would lead to tribulation. Which would then lead to his return (matt 24)

In Gods eyes, it is not even a blink of an eye yet. So again, its all good.

 

[ZEEK]

Jesus died at the end of the 69th week

Well, in the sense that Jesus is The Spirit Of Prophecy, and you have just killed prophecy.

 

[ZEEK]

26 [FONT=&quot]After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing,[/FONT]

But I love the incoherence of your position EG.

Not Before the 62 weeks are up, but AFTER...

lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But I love the incoherence of your position EG.

Not Before the 62 weeks are up, but AFTER...

lol

I never said before, I said after "at the end of", or "completion of" is the literal words used in scripture, So the only incoherence I see is your understanding of what I said

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, in the sense that Jesus is The Spirit Of Prophecy, and you have just killed prophecy.

do what? I just quoted what the prophesy states, At the end of the 62 weeks (which including the first 6 weeks would equal 69 weeks) messiah will be cut of "literally killed" Which was fulfilled on the cross..

Are you saying Jesus did not Die?

 

[ZEEK]

Well " 'Achar " means after/afterward every else 500X in the Bible, and otherwise denotes the idea of posteriority....

enjoy your private interpretation.

 

[ZEEK]

do what? I just quoted what the prophesy states, At the end of the 62 weeks (which including the first 6 weeks would equal 69 weeks) messiah will be cut of "literally killed" Which was fulfilled on the cross..

Are you saying Jesus did not Die?

Is anyone who disagrees with your wonky interpretation automatically a heretic?

But you have drawn attention to another foible in your own interpretation. If Jesus is the one cut off, then why doesn't the Angel also say he is resurrected after 3 days?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is anyone who disagrees with your wonky interpretation automatically a heretic?

Nope this is a non salvic issue

But you have drawn attention to another foible in your own interpretation. If Jesus is the one cut off, then why doesn't the Angel also say he is resurrected after 3 days?

So Jesus is not the messiah?

 

[trofimus]

true,

But the bible predicts the temple will be rebuilt. It is not for us to question why or how or when. Just know it will happen.

Where exactly is it written?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well " 'Achar " means after/afterward every else 500X in the Bible, and otherwise denotes the idea of posteriority....

enjoy your private interpretation.

Ahar means Behind, After, Afterwords, Rear end,

which is exactly what I said.

So one must ask. Are you here just to argue, Or are you here to discuss what other people think.. Because you have just 3 times said I am wrong, when I said the very thing you say is true.

ie I said after, Your Argument against me is, The word means after.. I hope you can see why I question what your doing?