Attack on Jerusalem
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0 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He shall father twelve princes, and I will make him into a great nation.Genesis 17
And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
26 That very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised.
but there is this. so both were blessed.
yet the bible follows isaac side, etc.
what great nation, did he become and this prophesy for ishmael was from god etc
history would show, jewish v muslem;
jewish v christian, jewish v gentile. the usage of these name is on to show the word, believers, in god.
the sad part is ,the doctrine in the bible, is what splits them , from each other, ie god is on my/our side alone. etc
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.Romans 5
And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
26 That very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised.
but there is this. so both were blessed.
yet the bible follows isaac side, etc.
what great nation, did he become and this prophesy for ishmael was from god etc
history would show, jewish v muslem;
jewish v christian, jewish v gentile. the usage of these name is on to show the word, believers, in god.
the sad part is ,the doctrine in the bible, is what splits them , from each other, ie god is on my/our side alone. etc
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.Romans 5
Oh, I see! You said 'achar meant 'at the end of'/'completion' which are different in meaning to after.
'At the end of' can mean within a time period. 'Right at the end of the match he kicked him on the shins'.
"Completion' means immediately subsequent to, and after simply means some time after.
But it is very disingenuous of you to say I am being deliberately argumentative, etc. lol. I won't answer you in the same way or the conversation quickly degenerates.
The point is your 70th week seems to run forever if it is still ongoing as you say, which is nonsensical.
'At the end of' can mean within a time period. 'Right at the end of the match he kicked him on the shins'.
"Completion' means immediately subsequent to, and after simply means some time after.
But it is very disingenuous of you to say I am being deliberately argumentative, etc. lol. I won't answer you in the same way or the conversation quickly degenerates.
The point is your 70th week seems to run forever if it is still ongoing as you say, which is nonsensical.
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I am not worried about what any church thinks, I am worried about what the bible says. And what people who were origionally given the word would think.
The term abomination which makes desolate literally means that an unclean thing is sitting in a holy place.
I will go with that. If there is no holy place. no temple. there can be no abomination. Jesus also said we could see it. So it is something physical not spiritual.
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Actually my 70 weeks is not still going, It is in pause mode. Jerusalem is not there, And Israel is still in sin, and the temple is in ruins.
The 70 weeks concerned the nation, the city (jerusalem) and the temple..
and I see no difference. The word used is used, after this happens, that will happen.
we know this, Messiah was introduced on what we celebrate as good friday. 69 weeks after the command to restore the city, as prophesied. 1 week later he was "cut off"
Ok, but if you are saying, as you appear to be, that he was introduced after 69 weeks, and 1 week later cut off, then you are saying he was cut off at the end of the 70th week.......
But this is simply not in the text:
[FONT="]26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing, and the troops of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its[e] end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]27 He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place[f] shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator.”
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But this is simply not in the text:
[FONT="]26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing, and the troops of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its[e] end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]27 He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place[f] shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator.”
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'The abomination that causes desolation' is a term describing how the congregations of the church age are taken over by the wrong spirit. It is not a single beady-eyed individual physical person. Rather, it is the spirit that holds sway in the congregations generally. The congregations no longer hear the true gospel unto salvation, so we say that the man of sin has taken his seat there, spiritually speaking. The congregations of the church age are said to be desolate at that time, meaning Christ is completely absent spiritually. Scriptures talking about Jerusalem being surrounded by armies are not talking about the physical city of Jerusalem on a map. They are talking about the congregations of the church age being surrounded and invaded by spiritual armies. When Daniel talks about an end-time flood, it is not a physical flood either. It is the flood of the judgment side of the gospel in the congregations and the gospel which buoys up the true believers who have been rejected there. When Daniel talks about the sacrifice and offering ceasing, it is only meaning that Christ's sacrifice on the cross ceases to provide salvation for the fallen congregations, because the Holy Spirit has been removed from there and the people there have rejected the true believers and the true gospel.
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Abomination which causes desolation is a term used by daniel. We were told that the little horn would commit the abomination which causes desolation. which was fulfilled by antiochus epiphanies when he slit a pigs throat in the holy of holy of the temple in jerusalem. This angered the jews so much, it ended up causing the Maccabeean revolt.
No jew in daniels day or even in christ day would have taken any spiritual meaning to the term, So why would we today do this?
I can only think of one reason.
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No. beause the end of the 69th week is using the term weeks of years. where the 1 week later is using the term week of days.
On friday Jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied by Isaiah, the next friday, he was cut off (dead)
But this is simply not in the text:
26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off [/quote]
Not sure what interpretation you are using.
“And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
The term messiah means annointed one, there is only one anointed one from God. and this says plainly, He will be killed. but not because of something he did..
On friday Jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied by Isaiah, the next friday, he was cut off (dead)
But this is simply not in the text:
26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off [/quote]
Not sure what interpretation you are using.
“And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
The term messiah means annointed one, there is only one anointed one from God. and this says plainly, He will be killed. but not because of something he did..
In any generation, if any man has not the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God then neither do they belong to Christ.
I would agree with the physical Jerusalem not being the bride of Christ. It is not the married land but is the divorced land.
But I don’t think the Holy Spirit will be absent until the last day, judgment day the final resurrection.. We are in the last days that began at the time of reformation when the veil was rent. The antichrists (plural) that teach we need a man to teach us were already there. One is our Father in heaven one is our teacher, Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Again I would offer it speaks of the time of reformation and the need to no longer offer shadows, the temporal as that seen pointing to the eternal land not seen. The sacrifice and offering ceased when Christ said; it was finished .The need for an outward sign ended. We walk by faith (prophecy) and not by sight after the signs of our experiences.
The Jew sought after signs.....designed for those who rebel natural man.Those not walking by the faith of Christ (prophecy) .
Jesus said it is a evil generation, the generation of natural man that does seek after them. It was the Jews stumbling block right from the beginning. This is before Moses even came down from the mountain that temporally as that seen typified the kingdom of God on earth with the hand writings of the finger of God.
The same stone they stumble after today in a hope the kingdom of God is of this corrupted world .
I would agree with the physical Jerusalem not being the bride of Christ. It is not the married land but is the divorced land.
But I don’t think the Holy Spirit will be absent until the last day, judgment day the final resurrection.. We are in the last days that began at the time of reformation when the veil was rent. The antichrists (plural) that teach we need a man to teach us were already there. One is our Father in heaven one is our teacher, Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Again I would offer it speaks of the time of reformation and the need to no longer offer shadows, the temporal as that seen pointing to the eternal land not seen. The sacrifice and offering ceased when Christ said; it was finished .The need for an outward sign ended. We walk by faith (prophecy) and not by sight after the signs of our experiences.
The Jew sought after signs.....designed for those who rebel natural man.Those not walking by the faith of Christ (prophecy) .
Jesus said it is a evil generation, the generation of natural man that does seek after them. It was the Jews stumbling block right from the beginning. This is before Moses even came down from the mountain that temporally as that seen typified the kingdom of God on earth with the hand writings of the finger of God.
The same stone they stumble after today in a hope the kingdom of God is of this corrupted world .
Not sure what interpretation you are using.
“And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
The term messiah means annointed one, there is only one anointed one from God. and this says plainly, He will be killed. but not because of something he did.. [/QUOTE]
Ah ok, I vaguely understand what you are doing, but it is ugly and doesn't warrant closer inspection.
[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]and to the end there shall be war[/FONT][FONT="] - was there a war in this literal last week ?
[/FONT][FONT="]He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place[/FONT][FONT="][f][/FONT][FONT="] shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator - [/FONT][FONT="]all this happened in Jesus' last terrestrial week before being crucified?
What was this week long covenant Jesus made?
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“And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
The term messiah means annointed one, there is only one anointed one from God. and this says plainly, He will be killed. but not because of something he did.. [/QUOTE]
Ah ok, I vaguely understand what you are doing, but it is ugly and doesn't warrant closer inspection.
[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]and to the end there shall be war[/FONT][FONT="] - was there a war in this literal last week ?
[/FONT][FONT="]He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place[/FONT][FONT="][f][/FONT][FONT="] shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator - [/FONT][FONT="]all this happened in Jesus' last terrestrial week before being crucified?
What was this week long covenant Jesus made?
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Who says it is the 'genuine nation of Israel'? People blind to the truth. 'Israel' are far from being the genuine nation of Israel. They are made up of a hotch potch of peoples, people who have sought refuge there, from many different lands who have no Jewish blood in their veins. Instead of waiting patiently for God to give them the land, they are stealing the land from others by force. This is not of God.
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The seven times ended with the destruction of earthly Jerusalem for ever in 70 ad for rejecting their Messiah, to be replaced by heavenly Jerusalem (Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 11.22; Revelation).
You forgot to say also BY the antichrist.
Christ will return in the air to gather His own. There will be no reign on earth. Even to imagine that He rules 1000 years om earth then makes a mess of it in the end is blasphemous. Nowhere in the New Testament speaks of a reign on earth. It is pure Darbyism
God was concerned that there should be a spiritual Israel. The Messiah came to establish it. Your views are ridiculous.
Where in the NT does it says so.? If only sin were as easy to get rid of as that, Christ need never have died.
No and we never will
Christ founded a new Israel, a new nation (Matt 21.43.) I would be careful before you categorise His idea as crackpot. Then He sent out the Apostles to establish it. And once He had made the idea clear to Peter there was no longer Jew and Gentile but one nation in Christ, 'having made peace by the blood of His cross'. The former Gentiles were fellow citizens with the saints and of the household of God in the new Israel. I prefer to believe Jesus Christ and Paul rather than you.
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The seven times ended with the destruction of earthly Jerusalem for ever in 70 ad for rejecting their Messiah, to be replaced by heavenly Jerusalem (Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 11.22; Revelation).
You forgot to say also BY the antichrist.
Christ will return in the air to gather His own. There will be no reign on earth. Even to imagine that He rules 1000 years om earth then makes a mess of it in the end is blasphemous. Nowhere in the New Testament speaks of a reign on earth. It is pure Darbyism
God was concerned that there should be a spiritual Israel. The Messiah came to establish it. Your views are ridiculous.
Where in the NT does it says so.? If only sin were as easy to get rid of as that, Christ need never have died.
No and we never will
Christ founded a new Israel, a new nation (Matt 21.43.) I would be careful before you categorise His idea as crackpot. Then He sent out the Apostles to establish it. And once He had made the idea clear to Peter there was no longer Jew and Gentile but one nation in Christ, 'having made peace by the blood of His cross'. The former Gentiles were fellow citizens with the saints and of the household of God in the new Israel. I prefer to believe Jesus Christ and Paul rather than you.
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I think you are missing the point of what I am saying.
after the 69th week the messiah was cut off.
Then next event on the timeline is the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple Which occured in 70 AD, almost 4 decaded past the time the messiah was cut off
From this time on, There will be war desolations, The middle east has prety much been at war since this time, even today, there is a war going on over jerusalem and the temple mount, which still lies "desolate"
The next event in the timeline will be the prince who is to come, who confirms a covenant for 1 week (the final seven years) in which he will only be given a short time..
Jesus mentioned this in matt 24. When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel standing in the holy place. Run, for THEN there will be great tribulation greater than has ever been, and will ever be, So sever, he says he will have to cut the time short by his return, or no flesh will survive.
it all fits.. It is part of the mystery paul spoke of..
PS, Jesus did nto make a week long covenant, He fulfilled the eternal covenant.
after the 69th week the messiah was cut off.
Then next event on the timeline is the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple Which occured in 70 AD, almost 4 decaded past the time the messiah was cut off
From this time on, There will be war desolations, The middle east has prety much been at war since this time, even today, there is a war going on over jerusalem and the temple mount, which still lies "desolate"
The next event in the timeline will be the prince who is to come, who confirms a covenant for 1 week (the final seven years) in which he will only be given a short time..
Jesus mentioned this in matt 24. When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel standing in the holy place. Run, for THEN there will be great tribulation greater than has ever been, and will ever be, So sever, he says he will have to cut the time short by his return, or no flesh will survive.
it all fits.. It is part of the mystery paul spoke of..
PS, Jesus did nto make a week long covenant, He fulfilled the eternal covenant.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/world/middleeast/israel-fires.html?_r=0
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75,000 Evacuated From Haifa As Israeli Government Warns of ‘Arson Terror’
75,000 Evacuated From Haifa As Israeli Government Warns of 'Arson Terror’ - Breitbart
As Wildfires Rage, Israel Suggests Arson and Asks for Foreign Help
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/world/middleeast/israel-fires.html?_r=0
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https://beholdisraelnews.wordpress....es-6-resolutions-against-the-state-of-israel/
https://beholdisraelnews.wordpress....es-6-resolutions-against-the-state-of-israel/
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https://flashtrafficblog.wordpress....-the-vacuum-obama-created-in-the-middle-east/
Are the nations becoming drunken after Jerusalem?
https://flashtrafficblog.wordpress....-the-vacuum-obama-created-in-the-middle-east/
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