What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?
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i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Why is it, if you plainly say (FAITH and Works) go together, this generation immediately accuses Works for Salvation?
Have i said anywhere at all. Works is enough? No, i have not. Clearly and plainly, i make it a point to say it takes BOTH, not one without the other. Yet you are judging me as works for my Salvation. Have you not read what i have been writing, or just read parts of it and jump to conclusions?
i have never, nor will i ever teach Works for Salvation. Tell me. Do you think it is Godly to bare false witness against a brother or sister in the Lord? If then you accuse me of believing or teaching Works for salvation, which i have done nowhere at all, nor do i believe that, who is telling you that is what i believe or teach?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
So, your belief is wrong. Will you change your belief to line up with scripture? Doubtful, since your belief never lined up with scripture to begin with.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[FONT="]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I didn't believe OSAS first and then find a bunch of verses to agree with that. I read the bible and prayed and asked for wisdom. That is how I learned that Salvation is not revoked.
Deuteronomy 31:6 Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the Lord thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
I will NEVER leave you nor forsake you. How does that fit in with your losing salvation philosophy? Maybe you need to go and try to understand all your verses...[/FONT]
Ephesians 2:8-9
[FONT="]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I didn't believe OSAS first and then find a bunch of verses to agree with that. I read the bible and prayed and asked for wisdom. That is how I learned that Salvation is not revoked.
Deuteronomy 31:6 Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the Lord thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
I will NEVER leave you nor forsake you. How does that fit in with your losing salvation philosophy? Maybe you need to go and try to understand all your verses...[/FONT]
Can you answer me a question? If my Salvation is eternal and based upon Faith and the work of Jesus Christ my Savior and Lord and Master, and i hate someone, do i still have Eternal Salvation?
Scriptures teach if you have Faith you have Eternal Salvation
Scriptures teach if you hate someone you do not have Eternal Salvation
So then according to you which Scripture is True and which one is false?
Which Scripture do you believe and which one do you reject?
Joh_3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (FAITH)
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
So which do you teach to believe and which verse do you teach to ignore? Both are by the Apostle John, But which one do you believe and hold on to, and which one do you void out?
Jesus Our Savior and Lord plainly said "If you Love Me, you will do what I say" Many, and i say MANY claim to Love Him and do NO do what He says, Many, and i say MANY call Him LORD, yet do not do what He commands them to do, which is LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Woe to this wicked and perverse generation which will not escape His wrath. For His wrath is coming upon the disobedient children of God, His wrath is NOT coming because of the disobedient children of the devil, the unbelievers. It is coming because this generation professes with their mouths the Love they have for Jesus, but willingly choose to obey His enemy, then make excuses for their sinning based on false doctrines that contradict the very Word of God, and still think they are righteous, just, holy. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
i don't say all this to try to upset anyone, i say all this to try to warn all of you, Don't hearken to what i, DiscipleDave says, but Hearken to those things which i testify comes from Him. If then He tells me a thing, and then i tell you that thing, that thing did not come from me, but from Him who told me. Can anyone find any guile in my lips? Can anyone convince me of saying something contrary to any Scriptures.
Scriptures plainly teach to try the spirits. How then do you do that? Through the Word of God is how. if a spirit comes to you and tells you something that is contrary to the Word of God that spirit is evil, and you should not hearken to it. But what says this generation? This generation does not try the spirits via the Word of God, this generation tries the spirit based on their own belief of what they deem is the TRUTH. ignorant they are, not using the Word of God as their source to try the spirit, no they try them based on their own doctrines.
If what i say contradicts any Scriptures then show the Scriptures, and i will be deemed false? No this generation would rather do the UNGODLY thing and deem me false, NOT because what i say is contrary to Scriptures, but is contrary to what they believe is the TRUTH. Blind teaching others to be blind as well, we know the outcome of that situation.
People go to the Word of God and search them out to see if what i say is True or not True.
Here is something you can do, Read the entire NT believing that Faith is enough. Then reread the entire NT believing that Works is enough. Then reread the entire NT again, believing that Faith and Works go hand in hand. i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if you do that, you will see the TRUTH, there are many verses which contradict Faith is enough, there are many verses which contradict Works is enough, ONLY Faith and Works together that there is not one solitary verse that contradicts that Truth. NOT ONE.
Verses even plainly teach Faith and Works go hand in hand, is rejected by this generation which cannot see the TRUTH.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (FAITH), and 2) love one another (WORKS), as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Do you receive of Jesus whatsoever you ask? Maybe your not because you are not complying with BOTH Faith and Works. Believing and obeying Jesus when He said "Love One Another" Maybe you are not getting what you ask for in prayer because you are failing to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Scriptures teach if you have Faith you have Eternal Salvation
Scriptures teach if you hate someone you do not have Eternal Salvation
So then according to you which Scripture is True and which one is false?
Which Scripture do you believe and which one do you reject?
Joh_3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (FAITH)
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
So which do you teach to believe and which verse do you teach to ignore? Both are by the Apostle John, But which one do you believe and hold on to, and which one do you void out?
Jesus Our Savior and Lord plainly said "If you Love Me, you will do what I say" Many, and i say MANY claim to Love Him and do NO do what He says, Many, and i say MANY call Him LORD, yet do not do what He commands them to do, which is LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Woe to this wicked and perverse generation which will not escape His wrath. For His wrath is coming upon the disobedient children of God, His wrath is NOT coming because of the disobedient children of the devil, the unbelievers. It is coming because this generation professes with their mouths the Love they have for Jesus, but willingly choose to obey His enemy, then make excuses for their sinning based on false doctrines that contradict the very Word of God, and still think they are righteous, just, holy. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
i don't say all this to try to upset anyone, i say all this to try to warn all of you, Don't hearken to what i, DiscipleDave says, but Hearken to those things which i testify comes from Him. If then He tells me a thing, and then i tell you that thing, that thing did not come from me, but from Him who told me. Can anyone find any guile in my lips? Can anyone convince me of saying something contrary to any Scriptures.
Scriptures plainly teach to try the spirits. How then do you do that? Through the Word of God is how. if a spirit comes to you and tells you something that is contrary to the Word of God that spirit is evil, and you should not hearken to it. But what says this generation? This generation does not try the spirits via the Word of God, this generation tries the spirit based on their own belief of what they deem is the TRUTH. ignorant they are, not using the Word of God as their source to try the spirit, no they try them based on their own doctrines.
If what i say contradicts any Scriptures then show the Scriptures, and i will be deemed false? No this generation would rather do the UNGODLY thing and deem me false, NOT because what i say is contrary to Scriptures, but is contrary to what they believe is the TRUTH. Blind teaching others to be blind as well, we know the outcome of that situation.
People go to the Word of God and search them out to see if what i say is True or not True.
Here is something you can do, Read the entire NT believing that Faith is enough. Then reread the entire NT believing that Works is enough. Then reread the entire NT again, believing that Faith and Works go hand in hand. i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if you do that, you will see the TRUTH, there are many verses which contradict Faith is enough, there are many verses which contradict Works is enough, ONLY Faith and Works together that there is not one solitary verse that contradicts that Truth. NOT ONE.
Verses even plainly teach Faith and Works go hand in hand, is rejected by this generation which cannot see the TRUTH.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (FAITH), and 2) love one another (WORKS), as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Do you receive of Jesus whatsoever you ask? Maybe your not because you are not complying with BOTH Faith and Works. Believing and obeying Jesus when He said "Love One Another" Maybe you are not getting what you ask for in prayer because you are failing to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Didn't answer the question, did you?
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Didn't answer the question, did you?
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
They are not interested in what scripture says. I proved that in my last thread. I gave 4 or 5 scripture verses to back up what I said, but no one could give me even one verse to counter the truth I presented. No even one verse. No one even tried. And so, with absolutely nothing to back up their anti-WOF dogma, refusing to even look at the scriptural evidence, and so they countered with slanderous remarks and of course, the usual testimonial failures of how so and so tried that junk and died. But never used scripture,... at all.
I tested the spirits, and know them by their fruit.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
I tested the spirits, and know them by their fruit.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
He sure was, and he was led by the Spirit when he penned those verses in my post #390 above and these verses:
Romans 3:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28 (ESV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Galatians 3:2-3 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Romans 5:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Romans 5:17-19 (ESV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
Romans 3:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28 (ESV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Galatians 3:2-3 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Romans 5:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Romans 5:17-19 (ESV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
If other verses teach that believing in Jesus is not enough then the multiple verses that I quoted in post #385 are a lie. God forbid! Truly believe in Jesus and hate my brother is an oxymoron (1 John 2:9-11; 3:10).
Those who truly believe in Jesus/trust in Him as the all-sufficient means of their salvation are not 100% obedient 100% of the time, but children of God practice righteousness and not sin, unlike children of the devil (1 John 3:7-10).
If someone claims to have faith but they have no resulting evidential works to back up their claim, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not genuine faith. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Faith without resulting evidential works is dead, yet we are still saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root and works are the fruit. No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root.
As long as you understand that we are not saved by works.
In regards to these many people in Matthew 7:22, Jesus said "I NEVER knew you" which means they were NEVER saved (and what did Jesus say in John 17:3? This is not man's belief. There is your Scripture). Notice that Jesus also referred to them as "workers of iniquity," which obviously means they were merely "professed" Christians. Just because someone believes "mental assent" in the existence and historical facts about Christ (even the demons believe that) does not make them a genuine saved believer (Acts 5:14; Acts 16:31) which means they are unbelievers. We are either one or the other (John 3:18). There is no middle ground. Also, genuine believers love one another.
Believers will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and will receive rewards and loss of rewards (1 Corinthians 3:11-15). Unbelievers will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment. Some will receive more severe judgment than others (Matthew 23:14).
There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when genuinely confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. Just simply calling Jesus Lord and believing that He is the Lord (just as the demons do) does not make someone a genuine believer. Jesus said not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord.
You seem to be mixed up about what a genuine believer truly is.
Mere "mental assent" belief is not enough (James 2:19), but belief/trust/reliance in Christ as the all-sufficient means of our salvation (saving belief) is enough (Acts 16:31). Do you understand the difference?
Which demonstrates what about the goats? UNBELIEVERS.
Nobody is denying that genuine believers will obey Jesus and love one another, but this does not mean sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time.
You said, and I quote: "So you go a head and keep telling yourself that believing is enough, that you are sealed forever because you believe, that you are covered, and if you don't have works, i assure you with no doubts whatsoever you will be deemed a goat, and separated from those who not only believe, but have works to back that belief up. You goats have been warned."
That's not what it sounded like to me, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I said - "You are not qualified to judge me as a goat and you had better be careful that you are not a deceived goat in sheep's clothing, like these many people in Matthew 7:22 who trust in their works for salvation." That's not calling you a goat.
Works salvation is no salvation at all. Empty profession of faith is no salvation at all. Works are a manifestation of genuine faith and no works at all demonstrate no genuine faith, yet we are still saved through faith, not works.
Amen!
Genuine faith = salvation which results in evidential works (Ephesians 2:5-10). We don't want to put the cart before the horse.
Those who truly believe in Jesus/trust in Him as the all-sufficient means of their salvation are not 100% obedient 100% of the time, but children of God practice righteousness and not sin, unlike children of the devil (1 John 3:7-10).
If someone claims to have faith but they have no resulting evidential works to back up their claim, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not genuine faith. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Faith without resulting evidential works is dead, yet we are still saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root and works are the fruit. No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root.
As long as you understand that we are not saved by works.
In regards to these many people in Matthew 7:22, Jesus said "I NEVER knew you" which means they were NEVER saved (and what did Jesus say in John 17:3? This is not man's belief. There is your Scripture). Notice that Jesus also referred to them as "workers of iniquity," which obviously means they were merely "professed" Christians. Just because someone believes "mental assent" in the existence and historical facts about Christ (even the demons believe that) does not make them a genuine saved believer (Acts 5:14; Acts 16:31) which means they are unbelievers. We are either one or the other (John 3:18). There is no middle ground. Also, genuine believers love one another.
Believers will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and will receive rewards and loss of rewards (1 Corinthians 3:11-15). Unbelievers will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment. Some will receive more severe judgment than others (Matthew 23:14).
There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when genuinely confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. Just simply calling Jesus Lord and believing that He is the Lord (just as the demons do) does not make someone a genuine believer. Jesus said not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord.
You seem to be mixed up about what a genuine believer truly is.
Mere "mental assent" belief is not enough (James 2:19), but belief/trust/reliance in Christ as the all-sufficient means of our salvation (saving belief) is enough (Acts 16:31). Do you understand the difference?
Which demonstrates what about the goats? UNBELIEVERS.
Nobody is denying that genuine believers will obey Jesus and love one another, but this does not mean sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time.
You said, and I quote: "So you go a head and keep telling yourself that believing is enough, that you are sealed forever because you believe, that you are covered, and if you don't have works, i assure you with no doubts whatsoever you will be deemed a goat, and separated from those who not only believe, but have works to back that belief up. You goats have been warned."
That's not what it sounded like to me, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I said - "You are not qualified to judge me as a goat and you had better be careful that you are not a deceived goat in sheep's clothing, like these many people in Matthew 7:22 who trust in their works for salvation." That's not calling you a goat.
Works salvation is no salvation at all. Empty profession of faith is no salvation at all. Works are a manifestation of genuine faith and no works at all demonstrate no genuine faith, yet we are still saved through faith, not works.
Amen!
Genuine faith = salvation which results in evidential works (Ephesians 2:5-10). We don't want to put the cart before the horse.
Didn't answer the question, did you?
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i can ask you three questions, which in all likeliness you will not answer the third.
First, when a person is SAVED is their name written in the Book of Life?
Second, Does Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Third, please answer. If then a person is written in the Book of Life (SAVED) is it possible for them to be blotted out of the Book of Life?
Scriptures PROVE OSAS is not the TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
The book of life records every person that was given a temporal spirit as part of the Human race . Flesh gives birth to flesh, His Spirit give birth to our temporal spirit.
The Lambs of God slain from the foundation of the world, in that book of life are the names of all that have be given a new spirit that could never die.
When he comes on the last day the second resurrection all of those not found in the lambs book of life will be removed from the book that list all born into this world. Then the two will match.The unbeliever will not be found in either book.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Yes, isn't there a verse somewhere, "Arise to righteousness!".
Which simply means, "Start being righteous!"
We are made righteous in Jesus when we first believed,
BUT we must maintain that righteousness, i.e. that right standing with God.
There are 10 NT verses that teach this.
Habitual sinners are NOT living in righteousness!
Which simply means, "Start being righteous!"
We are made righteous in Jesus when we first believed,
BUT we must maintain that righteousness, i.e. that right standing with God.
There are 10 NT verses that teach this.
Habitual sinners are NOT living in righteousness!
I've shown you countless times already
who Jesus considers to be an overcomer!
So, this is for those who haven't seen it ...
Revelation 3:
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Jesus overcame sin, the Devil, the world, etc.
who Jesus considers to be an overcomer!
So, this is for those who haven't seen it ...
Revelation 3:
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Jesus overcame sin, the Devil, the world, etc.
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Awake to righteousness and sin not. It's a calling to see who you are in Christ and that seeing yourself - the new creation in Christ which has been created in righteousness and holiness.
This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man...you will then manifest outwardly who you already are now in Christ.
The word "awake" means " to sober up, to become who you are, to come to your senses".
It is the Holy Spirit that transforms us as we behold the goodness ( glory ) of Christ as in a mirror. We participate in this with the Holy Spirit but we need the Spirit of Grace empowering us first. We are totally dependent on Him for His life and grace. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells and His life gets manifested in love towards others in this hurt and dying world.
This all occurs by grace through faith in what our Lord has done for us. As we have received Christ - that is how we are to walk in Him.
This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man...you will then manifest outwardly who you already are now in Christ.
The word "awake" means " to sober up, to become who you are, to come to your senses".
It is the Holy Spirit that transforms us as we behold the goodness ( glory ) of Christ as in a mirror. We participate in this with the Holy Spirit but we need the Spirit of Grace empowering us first. We are totally dependent on Him for His life and grace. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells and His life gets manifested in love towards others in this hurt and dying world.
This all occurs by grace through faith in what our Lord has done for us. As we have received Christ - that is how we are to walk in Him.
Yes...we overcome by believing in what Christ has already done for us by grace through faith. This is a call to believe in Christ. This comes from what He has done as we rely on His life and grace - not in our own works. This preaching of Christ is a stumbling block to all works-based religions such as how the Jews relied on their "keeping of the Law of Moses".
How do we overcome? John gives us the answer:
“You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” (1 Jn 4:4)
Overcoming is not about jumping through hoops and satisfying the expectations of men. It’s about depending on The Overcomer who lives in you.
“For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.” (1 Jn 5:4-5)
Are you born of God? Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? If yes, then the Overcomer lives in you and you can’t help but be an overcomer.
That’s why Jesus told the disciples to be encouraged during times of tribulation; because he – not they – had overcome the world and because they would carry his overcoming Spirit within them.
We are called to fight the good fight of faith! Believe in what Christ has done and His life will be manifested in every circumstance of our life while on this earth.
People who know Christ - trust in Him and what He has said. He is not a liar. All works-based religions stumble at the preaching of Christ alone because they have "to do something" to earn their salvation and keep it.
Works-based salvationists see the warning scriptures and try to apply them as in people losing their salvation as in going to heaven.
We all have to decide whether the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar or is He really God who said " God is not a man that He should lie".
The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with us forever!
2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.
John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?
We can trust Him to finish that which He has started. Jesus is not a liar and all the promises of God are "Yes and Amen" in Christ.
Now, is the One who saved you and with His blood bought eternal redemption a liar? I say NO...a thousand times NO!
Hebrews 9:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
We have the forgiveness of sins because of His blood - not because of our own self-efforts in saving ourselves. That is the gospel message. Acts 10: 43
Trust in the Lord. He is faithful!
Works-based salvationists see the warning scriptures and try to apply them as in people losing their salvation as in going to heaven.
We all have to decide whether the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar or is He really God who said " God is not a man that He should lie".
The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with us forever!
2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.
John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?
We can trust Him to finish that which He has started. Jesus is not a liar and all the promises of God are "Yes and Amen" in Christ.
Now, is the One who saved you and with His blood bought eternal redemption a liar? I say NO...a thousand times NO!
Hebrews 9:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
We have the forgiveness of sins because of His blood - not because of our own self-efforts in saving ourselves. That is the gospel message. Acts 10: 43
Trust in the Lord. He is faithful!