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The problem with this is there are many Christians that disagree with you about what the Bible states concerning many issues including baptism. Why do you think you are the only Christian that understands the Bible. You ignore the reason the Apostles Creed was created. Differences of opinion concerning the meaning on different issues caused the creed to be created. This issue is in that category. All of the ranting you do on this issue is extreme in condemning those who disagree with you. I suggest you use the letters on Christian bracelets that was popular for a while. WWJD what would Jesus do. Would he write such hate filled arguments ?
A. Have never claimed to be the only one who understands
B. Could care less who agrees or disagrees
C. Apostles Creed means ZERO to me
D. I have condemned NO ONE, but rather the dogma they push
E. I can read a GREEK definition of the word
F. I can see how the word was used classically
G. I can understand HOW we deal with dead bodies
H. I can understand JESUS was sealed IN A TOMB and NOT chunked on the ground with a little dirt
I. Your last argument is MOOT...just because I make a pointed, direct stance without tap dancing around the issue does not mean I am hate filled...
J. Would you say the same thing about JESUS when he drove the money changers from the temple with a whip or John when he called the Pharisees a den of vipers, snakes?
 
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Again with the hate filled rhetoric. Comparing a mode of baptism to putting dirt in a grave. Disgusting!!!
Are you seriously that easily offended....so tell us all...what does baptism represent?

We will all wait.... here I will help

Is it

a. DEATH, BURIAL and Resurrection
b. Singing in the RAIN by GENE KELLY
 
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A. Have never claimed to be the only one who understands
B. Could care less who agrees or disagrees
C. Apostles Creed means ZERO to me
D. I have condemned NO ONE, but rather the dogma they push
E. I can read a GREEK definition of the word
F. I can see how the word was used classically
G. I can understand HOW we deal with dead bodies
H. I can understand JESUS was sealed IN A TOMB and NOT chunked on the ground with a little dirt
I. Your last argument is MOOT...just because I make a pointed, direct stance without tap dancing around the issue does not mean I am hate filled...
J. Would you say the same thing about JESUS when he drove the money changers from the temple with a whip or John when he called the Pharisees a den of vipers, snakes?
Defensive are we? The fact that the Apostles Creed means nothing to you says volumes about you. Going to the point of what kind of Christian you are if you are one!!
ROFL
 

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Posted again for the working for Catholic....

why is it hard for you to understand what I have said.....JESUS WAS UNDER THE LAW what he said had to be applicable to that time frame...HIS death RATIFIED a NEW COVENANT of GRACE, the CONDEMNATION of the LAW is no longer LEVELED at those who believe. And the words he speaks in MATTHEW MUST be vied in light of this truth. THOSE in CHRIST are NOT condemned by the LAW, but rather dealt with as CHILDREN and chastised...they are NOT cast away LOST, but whipped as a child to yield the peaceable fruits of righteousness.....again...the words have nothing to do with losing salvation.....salvation CANNOT be lost......rewards, honor and possible positions in the Kingdom as a ruler can be, but our standing as a child by BIRTH is eternally secure in Christ, as is our position!

.So genius....CURSED is everyone that hangs on a tree<----TELL us ALL what JESUS did when he was CRUCIFIED, HUNG on a CROSS and CRIED MY GOD, MY GOD why has thou forsake ME!...

HE who knew NO SIN was MADE SIN FOR US and exactly why he was forsaken, hung on a cross and DIED UNDER THE LAW.....

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

You should open your eyes to the truth because your JESUS is not the JESUS of the bible!
CHRIST WAS NOT CURSED but HE BROKE THE CURSE OF DEATH to redeem those who were under the law by becoming an atoning sacrifice for their PAST SINS.

HE WAS NOT MADE SIN BUT HE CAME TO DESTROY THE WORK OF THE DEVIL.

1 John 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:55-56 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.

1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.



Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

YOU SHOULD LEARN WHO WERE UNDER THE LAW AND NOT PUT EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU INCLUDING CHRIST UNDER IT. AND YOU JUST DECLARED WHO YOUR LORD IS... THE CURSED ONE.
 
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A. Have never claimed to be the only one who understands
B. Could care less who agrees or disagrees
C. Apostles Creed means ZERO to me
D. I have condemned NO ONE, but rather the dogma they push
E. I can read a GREEK definition of the word
F. I can see how the word was used classically
G. I can understand HOW we deal with dead bodies
H. I can understand JESUS was sealed IN A TOMB and NOT chunked on the ground with a little dirt
I. Your last argument is MOOT...just because I make a pointed, direct stance without tap dancing around the issue does not mean I am hate filled...
J. Would you say the same thing about JESUS when he drove the money changers from the temple with a whip or John when he called the Pharisees a den of vipers, snakes?
Understanding what the definition of what a Christian is doesn't mean anything to you?? How do you know you are one??
 

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Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.

THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO POSSESS ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE JUDGMENT ANYMORE?

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.

1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your souls.


SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”


JESUS SAID;

“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15


…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17


“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john 14:21-24


THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM.

A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.


WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)

Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”


1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.


2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.


“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4
 
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The law was introduced so that the sin would abound; but when sin abounded grace took over romans 5:20
 

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The law was introduced so that the sin would abound; but when sin abounded grace took over romans 5:20
Abound? If that were true then God would not have created the law specifically saying not to do those things. The law was created for several reasons but certainly not for sin to abound.
 

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Abound? If that were true then God would not have created the law specifically saying not to do those things. The law was created for several reasons but certainly not for sin to abound.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:20-21

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." Romans 7:7
 
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Defensive are we? The fact that the Apostles Creed means nothing to you says volumes about you. Going to the point of what kind of Christian you are if you are one!!
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Yep....the kind of Christian that believes the bible, the inspired words of God and applies them in a biblical way instead of the kind that sells out the word of God, refuses to apply the inspired words and one that gives a multiple choice application of the word to fit my man made theology.......which one are you?
 
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CHRIST WAS NOT CURSED but HE BROKE THE CURSE OF DEATH to redeem those who were under the law by becoming an atoning sacrifice for their PAST SINS.

HE WAS NOT MADE SIN BUT HE CAME TO DESTROY THE WORK OF THE DEVIL.


YOU SHOULD LEARN WHO WERE UNDER THE LAW AND NOT PUT EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU INCLUDING CHRIST UNDER IT. AND YOU JUST DECLARED WHO YOUR LORD IS... THE CURSED ONE.
The above proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not know what you are talking about and you are way out of your league pal......you can understand plain English right.....I seriously suggest you get right and start trusting the JESUS of the bible instead of your man made Catholic Jesus......

1st bolded-->Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”



2nd Bolded--->For he hath made him
to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
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The law was introduced so that the sin would abound; but when sin abounded grace took over romans 5:20

Amen and note the particular application is written unto those who are already saved.....Where sin is abounding....GRACE ABOUNDS the mush more.....and exactly why a believer is no longer condemned by the LAW which deems ALL guilty....the righteousness of Christ WITHOUT THE LAW and DEEDS of the LAW have been imputed to our account by faith......God is clear...when I see the blood I WILL PASS OVER YOU.......amazing how many workers for and Pharisee-ical sinless perfectionists actually condemn themselves by their dogma while actually rejecting the atoning sacrifice of Christ which eternally redeems, saves, justifies, sanctifies and seals one before GOD almighty......
 
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Abound? If that were true then God would not have created the law specifically saying not to do those things. The law was created for several reasons but certainly not for sin to abound.
Brother.....I suggest you re-evaluate....the purpose is to prove the guilt of all......and the more time one spends with Christ the more wicked one should see the flesh.....WHY? Because NO MAN has kept or keeps the law except JESUS....we break the least of it we are guilty of the whole and it is safe to say that we break it every day in some form or fashion............Read Romans 3....especially verses 19-20
 
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Brother.....I suggest you re-evaluate....the purpose is to prove the guilt of all......and the more time one spends with Christ the more wicked one should see the flesh.....WHY? Because NO MAN has kept or keeps the law except JESUS....we break the least of it we are guilty of the whole and it is safe to say that we break it every day in some form or fashion............Read Romans 3....especially verses 19-20

(i agree with all you say here)

but i think (i may be wrong about what he means)

what blain was trying to say

is that the law was not made in ORDER for people to choose sin more often
 
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Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.

THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO POSSESS ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE JUDGMENT ANYMORE?

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.

1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your souls.


SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”


JESUS SAID;

“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15


…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17


“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john 14:21-24


THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM.

A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.


WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)

Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”


1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.


2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.


“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4
The above is HOGWASH........the bible is clear....Salvation is spoken of in all three tenses and is eternally given at the moment of belief......

WAS SAVED
AM SAVED
Continuing to be SAVED

IN the grace WE ARE, having BEEN SAVED (past tense) out of faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD and NOT of works lest any man should boast.

YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED THEE (PAST TENSE)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US (past tense)
 
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i think (i may be wrong)

what blain was trying to say

is that the law was not made in ORDER for people to choose sin more often
Yeah I can see how that might seem that way, but I took it a different way based upon 3 things.......

Questioning the very verbiage used (abound)
Saying IF THAT WERE TRUE
The bolded was exactly why the law was given-->to prove sin abounds in ALL and deem ALL guilty (Romans 3:19-20)

Originally Posted by Blain

Abound? If that were true then God would not have created the law specifically saying not to do those things. The law was created for several reasons but certainly not for sin to abound.
 
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Understanding what the definition of what a Christian is doesn't mean anything to you?? How do you know you are one??
HAHAHHAHAHHHAH............JESUS ate with, socialized with and drank drank with sinners, prostitutes and the outcast of society, whipped men and drove them from the temple in zeal, railed and rebuked false teachers while calling them names such as blind, dead men, hypocrites and fools....would you call him Christian? Probably not....oh by the way....HE also was IMMERSED <------BAP-TIZED