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Hello Phil,
Just a few questions so I can understand what you are saying correctly before I answer....
1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?
2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?
Look forward to your reply thanks....
Just a few questions so I can understand what you are saying correctly before I answer....
1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?
2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?
Look forward to your reply thanks....
Ahh yes I remember now, and I answered you here;
Theos is a general term, and can be used of any " god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined)" YHWH is the Creator of the heavens and earth, any time the Father is being spoken of YHWH is His name. Thus I prefer His name.
Psalms 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”
Theos is a general term, and can be used of any " god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined)" YHWH is the Creator of the heavens and earth, any time the Father is being spoken of YHWH is His name. Thus I prefer His name.
Psalms 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”
Hi loveme1,
People try to separate God's 4th commandment from the rest of God's Law (10 commandments) forgetting that it is part of God's Royal Law which God's Word says is forever (Ecclesiastes 3:14) not realizing that the 10 commandments are our duty of love to God and man (Matthew 22:36-40). God's Royal Law is the standard of the Old and New Covenants that give us a knowledge of sin and righteousness (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; Psalms 119:172).
Now can you imagine how happy the hater of love would be if he could deceive people into believing that God's 10 commandments are now abolished? Well this would result no knowledge of sin and righteousness so no knowledge of sin means we no longer know that we are sinners. Since we no longer no what sin is or that we are sinners we now have no need of a Saviour. Now that we have no need of a Savior we have no salvation. Now that we have no salvation we are lost (Romans 2:12). Anyone teaching that God's Law (10 commandments) is no longer part of the Gospel is teaching a counterfeit Gospel and working for the hater of all that is love because love is the fulfilling of God's Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight. They walk in the Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
This is their problem to do away with the 4th commandment you have to do away with the other 9. That is why it is written; He that says he knows him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
and again.............
1 John 3:3-9,
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
God knows his Sheep and those that follow him by faith that works by love and says to all; If you love me keep my commandments.
The 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath is one one of the 10. If we knowingly break it we commit sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11) and stand guilty before God and if unrepentant in danger of the judgment.
In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth comes calls all men everywhere to repent. God has his followers in all the Church's but is calling those that love him out to worship him in Spirit and in truth (John 10:16; John 4:23-24).
If we follow the teaching and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God....
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Jesus tells us that if we knowingly follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God...
Who should we follow God or man? Who should we believe God or man?
People try to separate God's 4th commandment from the rest of God's Law (10 commandments) forgetting that it is part of God's Royal Law which God's Word says is forever (Ecclesiastes 3:14) not realizing that the 10 commandments are our duty of love to God and man (Matthew 22:36-40). God's Royal Law is the standard of the Old and New Covenants that give us a knowledge of sin and righteousness (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; Psalms 119:172).
Now can you imagine how happy the hater of love would be if he could deceive people into believing that God's 10 commandments are now abolished? Well this would result no knowledge of sin and righteousness so no knowledge of sin means we no longer know that we are sinners. Since we no longer no what sin is or that we are sinners we now have no need of a Saviour. Now that we have no need of a Savior we have no salvation. Now that we have no salvation we are lost (Romans 2:12). Anyone teaching that God's Law (10 commandments) is no longer part of the Gospel is teaching a counterfeit Gospel and working for the hater of all that is love because love is the fulfilling of God's Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight. They walk in the Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
This is their problem to do away with the 4th commandment you have to do away with the other 9. That is why it is written; He that says he knows him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
and again.............
1 John 3:3-9,
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
God knows his Sheep and those that follow him by faith that works by love and says to all; If you love me keep my commandments.
The 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath is one one of the 10. If we knowingly break it we commit sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11) and stand guilty before God and if unrepentant in danger of the judgment.
In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth comes calls all men everywhere to repent. God has his followers in all the Church's but is calling those that love him out to worship him in Spirit and in truth (John 10:16; John 4:23-24).
If we follow the teaching and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God....
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Jesus tells us that if we knowingly follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God...
Who should we follow God or man? Who should we believe God or man?
No. and it's not the meaning of the word? What? So there are 3 entries...
any deity 1
YHWH 2
supreme magistrate of the land 3
G2316 θεός theos (the-os') n.
1. (properly, in Greek) a god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined).
2. (by Hebraism, especially with G3588) God, the Supreme Being, the Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Yahweh by name.
3. (figuratively) a supreme magistrate (in the land).
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: X exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward)
See also: G2304, G2299, G3588, H430
Psalm 69:30, “I praise the Name of the Mighty One with a song, and I magnify Him with thanksgiving.”
Proverbs 18:10, “The Name of יהוה is a strong tower; The righteous run into it and are safe.”
Psalm 113:1-3, "Praise Yah! Praise, O servants of יהוה, Praise the Name of יהוה ! Blessed be the Name of יהוה, Now and forever! From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה is praised.”
Micah 4:5, "For all the peoples walk, each one in the name of his mighty one, but we walk in the Name of יהוה(#H3068) our Mighty One (H#410) forever and ever."
Psalm 105:1, "Give thanks to YHWH! Call upon His Name! Make known what He has done among the nations!"
Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"
Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."
In HebrewHis name is יהוה
In english His name is pronounced the same but spelled with English letters YHWH
He says to use His name, I use it and love it.
Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH.”
Joel 2:32, And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.”
Acts 2:21, “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be saved.”
any deity 1
YHWH 2
supreme magistrate of the land 3
G2316 θεός theos (the-os') n.
1. (properly, in Greek) a god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined).
2. (by Hebraism, especially with G3588) God, the Supreme Being, the Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Yahweh by name.
3. (figuratively) a supreme magistrate (in the land).
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: X exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward)
See also: G2304, G2299, G3588, H430
Psalm 69:30, “I praise the Name of the Mighty One with a song, and I magnify Him with thanksgiving.”
Proverbs 18:10, “The Name of יהוה is a strong tower; The righteous run into it and are safe.”
Psalm 113:1-3, "Praise Yah! Praise, O servants of יהוה, Praise the Name of יהוה ! Blessed be the Name of יהוה, Now and forever! From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה is praised.”
Micah 4:5, "For all the peoples walk, each one in the name of his mighty one, but we walk in the Name of יהוה(#H3068) our Mighty One (H#410) forever and ever."
Psalm 105:1, "Give thanks to YHWH! Call upon His Name! Make known what He has done among the nations!"
Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"
Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."
In HebrewHis name is יהוה
In english His name is pronounced the same but spelled with English letters YHWH
He says to use His name, I use it and love it.
Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH.”
Joel 2:32, And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.”
Acts 2:21, “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be saved.”
Hmm you seem to have ignored all the Scripture.
Also would it be better if I called Him by the other 2 entries, "any deity" or "supreme magistrate"
Would it be acceptable if I translated Theos as "the Might One" or does it have to be "the Lord" or "God"?
Is the Father being talked about in the usage of theos?
Also would it be better if I called Him by the other 2 entries, "any deity" or "supreme magistrate"
Would it be acceptable if I translated Theos as "the Might One" or does it have to be "the Lord" or "God"?
Is the Father being talked about in the usage of theos?
Indeed.. and we with absolute certainty follow our GOD unto death my dear.
LGF.. where do you think all those pagans idol worshippers went to? Those that worship the creation and not the creator? I believe they are hidden in plain sight.. and some just in plain sight... because we learn so much about false gods and idol worshippers.. are we to think that they are not trying to deceive us to this day? Time to come out in to the Light and not partake with those in the dark.. and as a sign of our GOD who sanctifies us through His Beloved Son Keep the Sabbath Holy which is to Keep it separate... yes, let us do those things that please Heavenly Father in Spirit and Truth always and forever.. as in Love GOD Forever.
Absolutely, and this is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes because they are not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ because it is there that God's righteousness is revealed and filthy rags disappear because it is found through the faith that works through love.
Those that say they see but see not and hear but hear not who hold the truth in unrighteousness and ungodliness have fallen from the way the truth and the life, God is not happy with, because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts was darkened. They thought themselves wise but the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God who knows all and sees the heart that is desperately wicked. Only God can know it and only the mirror shows the way. If the mirror is lost or broken the blind will fall into the ditch of darkness.
Our peace and rest is in him who loves all. We are so blessed to know him who loves all and says with an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you. He is calling all but few hear his voice and are chosen... Being now free to love because he first loved us. We now live in him and follow him because he is love and loves all and we hear him who calls us....
God bless you sister and all! Very happy Sabbath (my time) and your time soon to come
Those that say they see but see not and hear but hear not who hold the truth in unrighteousness and ungodliness have fallen from the way the truth and the life, God is not happy with, because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts was darkened. They thought themselves wise but the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God who knows all and sees the heart that is desperately wicked. Only God can know it and only the mirror shows the way. If the mirror is lost or broken the blind will fall into the ditch of darkness.
Our peace and rest is in him who loves all. We are so blessed to know him who loves all and says with an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you. He is calling all but few hear his voice and are chosen... Being now free to love because he first loved us. We now live in him and follow him because he is love and loves all and we hear him who calls us....
God bless you sister and all! Very happy Sabbath (my time) and your time soon to come
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Hi lovegoforever,
You shouldn't need to know what I believe before you answer a question, since answering a question shows what you believe. Plus all you have to do is go back to the posts i have written. If you go back you will see that I think the moral law is good
So it would be good for you to answer.
My Question here is not aimed at you but to anyone really, Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).
You shouldn't need to know what I believe before you answer a question, since answering a question shows what you believe. Plus all you have to do is go back to the posts i have written. If you go back you will see that I think the moral law is good
So it would be good for you to answer.My Question here is not aimed at you but to anyone really, Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Hi Lovegodforever,
There is a major problem with what you say here:
First off, Eccl 3:14 is not referring to the the Mosaic law, and secondly if it were and we are to accept your argument why don't you include circumcision, sacrificing bulls, and all the other laws etc etc etc.
It's the one who loves, who fulfils the commandments, and we can only fully love when in Christ.:
We can only fulfil the commandment/s to love God and your neighbour as yourself, only only the basis that Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf.
Anyhow when Christians meet together to worship and praise God and to hear His word and break bread on the 'Lord's day'..what a glorious day, and reminds us of the creational Sabbath of the eternal Sabbath rest awaiting us.
There is a major problem with what you say here:
First off, Eccl 3:14 is not referring to the the Mosaic law, and secondly if it were and we are to accept your argument why don't you include circumcision, sacrificing bulls, and all the other laws etc etc etc.
It's the one who loves, who fulfils the commandments, and we can only fully love when in Christ.:
We can only fulfil the commandment/s to love God and your neighbour as yourself, only only the basis that Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf.
Anyhow when Christians meet together to worship and praise God and to hear His word and break bread on the 'Lord's day'..what a glorious day, and reminds us of the creational Sabbath of the eternal Sabbath rest awaiting us.
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yes, I'm interested in this idea of dividing between God's law and the law of Moses.
I agree that there are some unique things about the Ten Commandments, like that they were kept in the Ark.
But it sounds like the things written by Moses were God's words.
The Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them:
I agree that there are some unique things about the Ten Commandments, like that they were kept in the Ark.
But it sounds like the things written by Moses were God's words.
The Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them:
Hi Dan_473
Most definitely, all Scripture is God breathed and profitable.... I think thats why it would be good for lovegodforever to explain why he separates the ten commandments from the law covenant cf. Ex 34:28; deut 4:13 with Heb 4:18.
I believe the law is very profitable, for all believers. But only in light of what Christ has done, is doing and will do (Prophet,Priest and King). I see no mention of the work of Christ in those who demand that we follow the ten commandments, in fact Christ doesn't even seem to be central to their thinking..Law is.
But we will have to wait and see what answers are given.
Most definitely, all Scripture is God breathed and profitable.... I think thats why it would be good for lovegodforever to explain why he separates the ten commandments from the law covenant cf. Ex 34:28; deut 4:13 with Heb 4:18.
I believe the law is very profitable, for all believers. But only in light of what Christ has done, is doing and will do (Prophet,Priest and King). I see no mention of the work of Christ in those who demand that we follow the ten commandments, in fact Christ doesn't even seem to be central to their thinking..Law is.
But we will have to wait and see what answers are given.