A Thread For Preterists: Show some historical proof!

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I haven't been linked even once to historical evidence which might demonstrate the preterists' arguments. I'm all ears. Fire away. In another thread just now, a pret is claiming this grand prophecy of the sun and moon going dark (turning blood-red in the case of the moon) and the stars falling from the sky AND a number of other things happening...ALL simultaneously...that all of this has previously happened.

Granted, I haven't been here that long. Maybe elsewhere this information has been documented. Link us to those threads or link us to other sites.
 
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MattTooFor said:
I haven't been linked even once to historical evidence which might demonstrate the preterists' arguments. I'm all ears. Fire away. In another thread just now, a pret is claiming this grand prophecy of the sun and moon going dark (turning blood-red in the case of the moon) and the stars falling from the sky AND a number of other things happening...ALL simultaneously...that all of this has previously happened.

Granted, I haven't been here that long. Maybe elsewhere this information has been documented. Link us to those threads or link us to other sites.
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I do not know what exactly is a preterist, but the meteor shower and sun going darkened is quite a frequent event. You can google some of them.

And red moon? I have seen it just last year.

It always depends on where you live. I suppose Christ was talking about it being visible from the middle east. Because these events can be all seen in few decades, I think Christ said that the destruction of Jerusalem will come in their life.
 
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I do not know what exactly is a preterist, but the meteor shower and sun going darkened is quite a frequent event. You can google some of them.

And red moon? I have seen it just last year.

It always depends on where you live. I suppose Christ was talking about it being visible from the middle east. Because these events can be all seen in few decades, I think Christ said that the destruction of Jerusalem will come in their life.
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Thanks for the comment. Maybe I can respond later. I'm hittin' the hay right now but I'm sure there'll be some vigorous discussion to come!
 
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MattTooFor said:
I haven't been linked even once to historical evidence which might demonstrate the preterists' arguments. I'm all ears. Fire away. In another thread just now, a pret is claiming this grand prophecy of the sun and moon going dark (turning blood-red in the case of the moon) and the stars falling from the sky AND a number of other things happening...ALL simultaneously...that all of this has previously happened.

Granted, I haven't been here that long. Maybe elsewhere this information has been documented. Link us to those threads or link us to other sites.
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I am not a full preterist but I know the sun was darkened (Matt 27.45; Mk 15.43), and the moon would become therefore red as blood at the crucifixion, and there may well have been shooting stars.
 
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valiant said:
I am not a full preterist but I know the sun was darkened (Matt 27.45; Mk 15.43), and the moon would become therefore red as blood at the crucifixion, and there may well have been shooting stars.
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Reading this in context and the way the events are written, Peter is saying that those times before the resurrection were not the fulfillment of that prophecy.

Acts 2:17-21 And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
 
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Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (Partial Preterism) or all (Full Preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the 2nd century BC, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

Just a definition so people know what they are discussing.
 
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Reading this in context and the way the events are written, Peter is saying that those times before the resurrection were not the fulfillment of that prophecy.

Acts 2:17-21 And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
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were does Peter say that?. In fact his very quotation of it shows the opposite. They were in 'the last days' and he knew that the great and terrible day of he Lord could happen at any time.
 
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Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (Partial Preterism) or all (Full Preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.
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Correct.

This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the 2nd century BC,
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Incorrect. Partial preterists say some were fulfilled 2nd/1st century BC, some in Christ's day and some at the second coming, which is true,.

while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD.
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Incorrect again. Partial preterists believe that parts of Revelation were fulfilled in 1st and 2nd centuries AD, but the fufilment is continuous and goes on to the second coming,.

Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
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No. many believe at the time of Christ's resurrection,

Just a definition so people know what they are discussing.
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Just a friendly correction :)

 
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kaylagrl said:
Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (Partial Preterism) or all (Full Preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the 2nd century BC, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

Just a definition so people know what they are discussing.
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When our Bible study group did Rev. people were shocked when I told them that a significant number of Christians, and denominations believed this preterist doctrine.

I had no idea how pervasive this belief was til I came to CC.
 
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valiant said:
Correct.



Incorrect. Partial preterists say some were fulfilled 2nd/1st century BC, some in Christ's day and some at the second coming, which is true,.



Incorrect again. Partial preterists believe that parts of Revelation were fulfilled in 1st and 2nd centuries AD, but the fufilment is continuous and goes on to the second coming,.



No. many believe at the time of Christ's resurrection,

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Just a friendly correction :)
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I too am of the belief in partial fulfillment of Daniel by the Lord in His death and resurrection and that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD was a fulfillment of most of Matt. 24 but I allow others to have their own opinion without interfering with fellowship with them over the gospel of the grace of God which is found in Christ's work only.
 
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I too am of the belief in partial fulfillment of Daniel by the Lord in His death and resurrection and that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD was a fulfillment of most of Matt. 24 but I allow others to have their own opinion without interfering with fellowship with them over the gospel of the grace of God which is found in Christ's work only.
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fully agreed! :)
 
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PennEd said:
When our Bible study group did Rev. people were shocked when I told them that a significant number of Christians, and denominations believed this preterist doctrine.

I had no idea how pervasive this belief was til I came to CC.
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which just goes to show how brainwashed some Americans are :)
 
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According to full preterists, we're currently in the 1,000 year reign of Christ

Wait..... It's been almost 2,000 years.....

And where's Jesus?..... He's certainly not reigning in the BDF, LOL!:rolleyes:
 
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Agreed. Not sure how the full preterists could be so misled!:rolleyes:
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i'm a partial preterist, but we're still friends. :)

see folks? it can be done!

i remember how hard it was to learn a different eschatological view like my mind was a tabula rasa.

eh, who am i kidding, my 'mind' is usually blank! :p
 
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According to full preterists, we're currently in the 1,000 year reign of Christ

Wait..... It's been almost 2,000 years.....
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'a thousand years' in the OT meant a long unmeasured period of time.

And where's Jesus?..... He's certainly not reigning in the BDF, LOL!
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on the throne of David in Heaven (Acts 2.30 on)
 
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MattTooFor said:
I haven't been linked even once to historical evidence which might demonstrate the preterists' arguments. I'm all ears. Fire away. In another thread just now, a pret is claiming this grand prophecy of the sun and moon going dark (turning blood-red in the case of the moon) and the stars falling from the sky AND a number of other things happening...ALL simultaneously...that all of this has previously happened.

Granted, I haven't been here that long. Maybe elsewhere this information has been documented. Link us to those threads or link us to other sites.
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In that same thread you were also given a name of a book that tells what happened. And yet? Here we go again.

Like I said, you do this as a hobby to avoid the God that Christianity is supposed to be about. You talk about God instead of bothering to deal with God.

Same game, different day.
 
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valiant said:


'a thousand years' in the OT meant a long unmeasured period of time.



on the throne of David in Heaven (Acts 2.30 on)
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1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. 4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


Satan Freed, Doomed

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Since the context is literal, so is the thousand years.

It's named as a precise amount of time.

It's mentioned precisely five times!

Since you claim this, It's your responsibility to prove it.:)
 
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valiant said:


'a thousand years' in the OT meant a long unmeasured period of time.



on the throne of David in Heaven (Acts 2.30 on)
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David is God? His throne is at the right hand of the father? What did we need christ for then?? :eek:
 
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