The Rapture

[Allenbee]

A beautiful combination of scripture tells the true story...but horrific for the foolish Preterits.
I lost a good friend to Preterit corruption, so I feel sad for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwg3MsUxHyE

Truth is truth... Enjoy.

 

[PlainWord]

They are being persecuted by Greeks, "of your own countrymen," . It is not absolutely certain they would have been proselytized Greeks, as the pagan Greeks also were trouble. Would have to check Acts on that.

More to the point, where does Paul say it is 'in their lifetime'?

I guess you haven't read Acts 17 because there it makes clear the Thessalonians were also tormented by the Jews in their city.

 

[PlainWord]

So Paul is promising the relief at death...hilarious.

However, that is not what he said, and trying to use John 16:33 is the epitome of desperation...

That would be like struggling financially, out-of-work, living on unemployment insurance while trying to find a job and telling the wife and kids that we have to move to the ghetto for awhile, but don't worry, when you die, you can leave the ghetto and go to heaven. So, don't worry about this temporary struggle.

 

[PlainWord]

A beautiful combination of scripture tells the true story...but horrific for the foolish Preterits.
I lost a good friend to Preterit corruption, so I feel sad for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwg3MsUxHyE

Truth is truth... Enjoy.

Don't feel sad for us. We are the enlightened ones, you are the ones in darkness. I'd rather know the truth then to keep hoping and waiting for events that are 2,000 years old. At least take comfort that there is no great tribulation coming (at least not the one mentioned in Mt 24).

 

[PlainWord]

did da preterists just come together and say lets be done with it and lie that all prophecies are already fulfilled? lets make a religion with no hope and nothing to look forward to, only pessimism.

Where you looking forward to the Great Tribulation, or the rapture away from it? Either way, doesn't matter, both are way back in our rear view mirror. Perhaps you are hoping not to face death? Guess you haven't read Heb 9 then.

 

[Locutus]

I guess you haven't read Acts 17 because there it makes clear the Thessalonians were also tormented by the Jews in their city.

No need to read scripture when yer minds already up:

Acts 17:1 Now when they had traveled through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews.

Acts 17:5 But the Jews, becoming jealous and taking along some wicked men from the market place, formed a mob and set the city in an uproar; and attacking the house of Jason, they were seeking to bring them out to the people.

 

[Snoozy]

Where you looking forward to the Great Tribulation, or the rapture away from it? Either way, doesn't matter, both are way back in our rear view mirror. Perhaps you are hoping not to face death? Guess you haven't read Heb 9 then.

doest necessarily apply to all people its a general rule. look elijah and enoch.

 

[J7]

I guess you haven't read Acts 17 because there it makes clear the Thessalonians were also tormented by the Jews in their city.

Another arrogant idiot who doesn't read other people's posts.

Re Thessalonians, Paul says 'rest with us'.

Paul died in AD 64, so was dead well before the 'relief' of Judea being taken out of the game in AD 67.

Therefore the rest is not that, as it was not applicable to Paul.

(So now you will claim , "Yeh but, yeh but, Paul didn't know he was going to die". Garbage. Utter unreconstructed garbage. Paul & Scripture are totally inspired, so don't pull that joke pistol on me.) Bye bye timewasters

 

[Locutus]

Goodbye cruel world
J7's leaving us today
Goodbye
Goodbye




Goodbye.....

 

[heartofdavid]

Another arrogant idiot who doesn't read other people's posts.

Re Thessalonians, Paul says 'rest with us'.

Paul died in AD 64, so was dead well before the 'relief' of Judea being taken out of the game in AD 67.

Therefore the rest is not that, as it was not applicable to Paul.

(So now you will claim , "Yeh but, yeh but, Paul didn't know he was going to die". Garbage. Utter unreconstructed garbage. Paul & Scripture are totally inspired, so don't pull that joke pistol on me.) Bye bye timewasters

Instead of all the drama,just make your case.

You are so offended by the smallest things

 

[VCO]

what does this have to do with the 144k being the first fruits to Christ?
if we go by what u said there is a bout a billion first fruits by now.

The 144k are the Firstfruits of humans SEALED FROM HARM in their Mortal Bodies to go into the Thousand Year Earthly Kingdom of JESUS CHRIST, specifically to REPOPULATE ISRAEL, with Descendants of Jacob. HERE IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS ORDAINED A SPECIFIC DESTINY OF THE 144,000 THAT HE WILL SEAL IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES:

Genesis 28:10-12 (NCV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Jacob left Beersheba {South Central Israel} and set out for Haran
{Probably camped Near where Jerusalem would be built, on this particular night.}.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] When he came to a place, he spent the night there because the sun had set. He found a stone and laid his head on it to go to sleep.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Jacob dreamed that there was a ladder resting on the earth and reaching up into heaven, and he saw angels of God going up and coming down the ladder.

Genesis 28:13-15 (NCV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then Jacob saw the LORD standing above the ladder, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of Abraham your grandfather, and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are now sleeping.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Your descendants will be as many as the dust of the earth. They will spread west and east, north and south, and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I am with you and will protect you everywhere you go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.“

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (NCV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He will keep his agreement forever; he will keep his promises always.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He will keep the agreement he made with Abraham and the promise he made to Isaac.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He made it a law for the people of Jacob;he made it an agreement with Israel to last forever.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He said, “I will give the land of Canaan to you, to belong to you.“

Isaiah 49:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Thus says the LORD, The Redeemer of Israel, their Holy One, To Him whom man despises, To Him whom the nation abhors, To the Servant of rulers: "Kings shall see and arise, Princes also shall worship, Because of the LORD who is faithful, The Holy One of Israel; And He has chosen You."
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Thus says the LORD: "In an acceptable time I have heard You, And in the day of salvation I have helped You; I will preserve You and give You As a covenant to the people, To restore the earth {After the Second Coming}, To cause them to inherit the desolate heritages;


Therefore, I believe the 144k are the Firstfruits of the Mortals going into ISRAEL in HIS Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Locutus]

Look at above quoting part of Isaiah to promote his bogus "theology"..

Isaiah 49:6 Indeed He says, ‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’ 

You were these lot - chopped liver?

James 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.

I'm pretty sure those 12 tribes were the tribes of Jacob and light came to Gentiles during the apostles ministry..

 

[VCO]

doest necessarily apply to all people its a general rule. look elijah and enoch.

Yes, I believe everyone except those True Believers, who are alive when the Dead in Messiah, Jesus Christ, Rise from their Graves; will all die ONCE. I do not believe Enoch and Elijah are exceptions, because I believe they will be the TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATION:

Revelation 11:3-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
{Not Possible before Satellite TV.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. {The News Camera men will probably be shaking like a leaf.}
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. {Internet News Services will probably claim Aliens beamed them aboard their Mothership, anything to avoid giving GOD THE FULL CREDIT.}

 

[heartofdavid]

So...according to all the conflicting views, isn't the proof in the pudding ?

So... God and Jesus, created the earth, AND as ONE said...it's GOOD.
GOOD...do you get that ?

Then man was made in HIS image, but different to all other creation that serve God with no free will, and STILL everything produces food FREE ! Works so well.

Now man was made with a choice...the knowledge of good or bad... to be like God.
THESE ones who love His creation and think it's GOOD... well they are approved of and will ensure God's WILL for earth...forever. So they can live forever. Simple huh !!!

However... today we have greedy pigs that corner off HIS creation-for wealth... while the majority suffer !!!
These ones FAIL... and will be destroyed.
The rich enslaving the poor.

Now according to preterit's...to hell with God's creation and the earth...we going to heaven !!!
THAT my friend... is exactly what SATAN wants to do .

So... we all know about this evil spirit appearing as an "angel of light"... right !!!

Voices from God...right ?

Show me ANY past "voices from God" that have come true ? NONE...ALL false Christs.
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The tent of GOD will be with MANKIND.

That now is GOD'S WILL ... since creation.

SHARE the earth, tend it and have in loving subjection all animals and all creation. AND it is... GOOD.
NOBODY...can be richer than that.

Think its primitive ?
Excuse me... GOD did not use Internet, or PAY for airtime to communicate ! Nor will HIS earthly righteous.
GOD DID NOT fly in steel jets or rockets... Nor will we... as we travel the earth and it's heavens.

So...that's the TRUTH and it's beautiful.
The Kingdom of God on earth, as we join GOD'S universal Kingdom.

Worth dying for ?
Thank you Lord Jesus...thank you.
Come Lord Jesus...come.

The saints are risen and raptured to heaven.
Jesus has prepared a place for us. It is post tribbers that miss that point,voiding Jesus words at the last supper.

Pretrib covers all the verses. We own end times doctrine.

 

[heartofdavid]

The 144k are the Firstfruits of humans SEALED FROM HARM in their Mortal Bodies to go into the Thousand Year Earthly Kingdom of JESUS CHRIST, specifically to REPOPULATE ISRAEL, with Descendants of Jacob. HERE IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS ORDAINED A SPECIFIC DESTINY OF THE 144,000 THAT HE WILL SEAL IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES:

Genesis 28:10-12 (NCV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Jacob left Beersheba {South Central Israel} and set out for Haran
{Probably camped Near where Jerusalem would be built, on this particular night.}.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] When he came to a place, he spent the night there because the sun had set. He found a stone and laid his head on it to go to sleep.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Jacob dreamed that there was a ladder resting on the earth and reaching up into heaven, and he saw angels of God going up and coming down the ladder.

Genesis 28:13-15 (NCV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then Jacob saw the LORD standing above the ladder, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of Abraham your grandfather, and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are now sleeping.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Your descendants will be as many as the dust of the earth. They will spread west and east, north and south, and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I am with you and will protect you everywhere you go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.“

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (NCV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He will keep his agreement forever; he will keep his promises always.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He will keep the agreement he made with Abraham and the promise he made to Isaac.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He made it a law for the people of Jacob;he made it an agreement with Israel to last forever.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He said, “I will give the land of Canaan to you, to belong to you.“

Isaiah 49:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Thus says the LORD, The Redeemer of Israel, their Holy One, To Him whom man despises, To Him whom the nation abhors, To the Servant of rulers: "Kings shall see and arise, Princes also shall worship, Because of the LORD who is faithful, The Holy One of Israel; And He has chosen You."
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Thus says the LORD: "In an acceptable time I have heard You, And in the day of salvation I have helped You; I will preserve You and give You As a covenant to the people, To restore the earth {After the Second Coming}, To cause them to inherit the desolate heritages;


Therefore, I believe the 144k are the Firstfruits of the Mortals going into ISRAEL in HIS Millennial Kingdom.

Rev 14 has a Jewish gathering. The 144k are gathered first,the main harvest of Jews following.

Therefore the 144k are first fruits. (gathered first).

 

[heartofdavid]

Note,that the rapture,the dead Jews outside Christ are not risen,and in Ruth,the bride is gentile,but Naomi the jewess is with them to dwell in the land redeemed.

 

[VCO]

A beautiful combination of scripture tells the true story...but horrific for the foolish Preterits.
I lost a good friend to Preterit corruption, so I feel sad for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwg3MsUxHyE

Truth is truth... Enjoy.

Very good VIDEO, thank you. It led me to this Video:



[video=youtube;z7Xo9Y0W7xA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Xo9Y0W7xA[/video]

 

[DiscipleDave]

There are no Scriptures which disprove anything in this Timeline. ONLY interpretations of men contradict this timeline.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[PlainWord]

doest necessarily apply to all people its a general rule. look elijah and enoch.

Two examples should not lead you to believe it will happen to 2 billion.

 

[Ahwatukee]

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There are no Scriptures which disprove anything in this Timeline. ONLY interpretations of men contradict this timeline.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I would greatly have to disagree with you! The first six seals are also apart of Daniel's 70th week/God's wrath and that because scripture shows that it is Jesus who is One opening the seals and he is the One who tramples the wine press of the wrath of God Almighty, i.e. Jesus is the One who is initiating God's wrath by opening the seals. So there is your scriptural proof which disproves your graph.

Also, you have the new Jerusalem appearing in the middle of Daniel's 70th week of years, which scripture clearly puts as coming down out of heaven after the new heaven and new earth are created, which takes place after the thousand year reign of Christ and after the great white throne judgment.

This present heaven and earth will never see the New Jerusalem.