The Rapture

[VCO]

My guess is you do not understand that the Bride is the sum total of ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIME, both the Remnant SAVED in the O.T. and the N.T.

I think I have a good understanding of that.

Do you know how few in this County understand that? The Majority of Churches think Only the Church is the Bride, when GOD said Israel was His Bride and that HE HATES DIVORCE. Sometimes I think they want to believe GOD divorced even the Remnant of Israel, so that they can feel less guilty. The reality, of it all, is the Majority born in Israel were never REALLY SAVED, just like the rest of the world. It has alwas been just the FEW.

Matthew 7:13-14 (CSBBible)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.

 

[PlainWord]

Plainword da reason some here resort to so called name calling towards u is bcuz i can imagine its hard to react in a rational and normal way to the crazy claims u are making.
most regular christians have probably never heard of what u are saying its so out of left field. its in da ocean actually swimming with da redjaw snappers.

The masses (with itching ears) are easily lead astray by false prophets telling them what they want to hear. Insight is given to the few who gladly share, but are ignored. This is the way it has always been.

 

[PlainWord]

For those who think the "holy place" mentioned below can only refer to the holy of holies:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

...think again. This from Ez 43:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.

What did the Romans surround in 70 AD?

 

[Snoozy]

the church is founded on pentecost in Acts 2.

when the number of the gentiles have come in and church is complete the Lord will gather us in a moment in a twinkling of an eye to the Father's house:

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

when da church is removed the antichrist will make a contract with israel for one week (day = year):

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.





and during this time God will unleash the seals trumpets and vials. the mark of the beast will also be enforced and required to buy and sell u can read these in revelation 6 - 18
in the middle of this 70th week the antichrist will stop the sacrifices in da temple and cause abomination of desolation:

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

after the last vial of wrath has been poured out Jesus will return with the church and start the millennial reign in Jerusalem:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

this is when the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire:

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

then satan will be bound for one thousand years in the bottomless pit:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

at the end of the 1000 year reign from Jerusalem in peace, satan will be let loose for a little season to deceive the nations and they will surround the holy city and camp of the saints and be destroyed and satan will be thrown into the lake of fire as well:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

then we have the great white throne judgment for all the unrighteous dead

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

after this we see in revelation 21 and 22 NEW JERUSALEM NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH; eternity begins here.

there are some details i left out this is already long but this is da timeline in general.

 

[garee]

the church is founded on pentecost in Acts 2.

The church (bride of Christ) is founded on the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. The reformation is founded on Pentecost in Acts 2.

 

[VCO]

The church (bride of Christ) is founded on the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. The reformation is founded on Pentecost in Acts 2.

THEN ADAM and every TRUE BELIEVER that believed GOD would provide a MESSIAH, is also part of the Bride too, are they not?

ONLY ONE WAY OF SALVATION and that through belief in the MESSIAH.

BTW, Jesus never used the word CHURCH, and NEITHER DID THE APOSTLES. Look up the Greek Word and you will find it MEANS: ASSEMBLY, the same thing HE called true Believers of the OLD TESTAMENT.

 

[Nehemiah6]

BTW, Jesus never used the word CHURCH, and NEITHER DID THE APOSTLES. Look up the Greek Word and you will find it MEANS: ASSEMBLY, the same thing HE called true Believers of the OLD TESTAMENT.

Actually Jesus did use the word "church" (Mt 18:17) and church means assembly, and assembly means church. The Greek word ekklesia means "called out ones" but is consistently translated as church, sometimes as assembly. But the Church as the Body of Christ (with Jew and Gentile in one Body) began on the Day of Pentecost, not in the Old Testament. Indeed the Church was a mystery hidden from the OT prophets and revealed to Paul.

King James Bible
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


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[TD]Strong's Concordance

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation​

Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

HELPS Word-studies
1577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being theChurch (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

[The English word "church" comes from the Greek word kyriakos, "belonging to the Lord" (kyrios). 1577/ekklēsía ("church") is the root of the terms "ecclesiology" and "ecclesiastical."]

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[Nehemiah6]

The church (bride of Christ) is founded on the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. The reformation is founded on Pentecost in Acts 2.

No sure how you arrived at this conclusion. There was no "reformation" on the Day of Pentecost. That was the day of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit "upon all flesh". Of course until the Lamb of God was slain and had ascended up to Heaven, the Holy Spirit could not be sent to the earth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Actually Jesus did use the word "church" (Mt 18:17) and church means assembly, and assembly means church. The Greek word ekklesia means "called out ones" but is consistently translated as church, sometimes as assembly. But the Church as the Body of Christ (with Jew and Gentile in one Body) began on the Day of Pentecost, not in the Old Testament. Indeed the Church was a mystery hidden from the OT prophets and revealed to Paul.

King James Bible
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

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[TD]Strong's Concordance

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation​

Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

HELPS Word-studies
1577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being theChurch (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

[The English word "church" comes from the Greek word kyriakos, "belonging to the Lord" (kyrios). 1577/ekklēsía ("church") is the root of the terms "ecclesiology" and "ecclesiastical."]
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This is not aimed at you, but to VCO.

Not only that but Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it," demonstrating that the church was a new entity.

The words "I Will build" is in the future tense, meaning that the Ekklesia did not previously exist from the time he said this. Those prior to, as well as those groups who receive Christ after the church has been gathered, belong to Christ, but do not belong to the church.

The church period will come to its close when the Lord descends and the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living are transformed and caught up. At that point the entire church will be present in the air with the Lord, from beginning to the end, taking the entire group back to the Father's house to those places that he prepared (John 14:1-3).

As you already know, this is why the word ekklesia/church is never used again after the end of chapter 3. From that point on and beginning in 5:8, only the word Hagios translated as saints is used.

The church, though not referred to as such, is seen in Rev.19:6-8, 14 as the bride at the wedding of the Lamb and as those following Christ out of heaven on white horses. But the next time that we see the word ekklesiah/church is not until Rev.22:16, which is outside of the narrative.

The indicator of the churches removal is the consistent use of the word ekklesia/church 18 times throughout chapters 1 thru 3 and then its abrupt disuse. Rev.4:1 is prophetic of the church being caught up where John hears that voice that sounds like a trumpet, which is synonymous with the "trumpet call of God" found in 1 Thes.4:16, which says "come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this!" The reference to "I will show you what must take place after this" is what will take place after the "what is now" i.e. what must take place after the church period.

 

[VCO]

Actually Jesus did use the word "church" (Mt 18:17) and church means assembly, and assembly means church. The Greek word ekklesia means "called out ones" but is consistently translated as church, sometimes as assembly. But the Church as the Body of Christ (with Jew and Gentile in one Body) began on the Day of Pentecost, not in the Old Testament. Indeed the Church was a mystery hidden from the OT prophets and revealed to Paul.

King James Bible
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


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[TD]Strong's Concordance

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation​

Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

HELPS Word-studies
1577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being theChurch (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

[The English word "church" comes from the Greek word kyriakos, "belonging to the Lord" (kyrios). 1577/ekklēsía ("church") is the root of the terms "ecclesiology" and "ecclesiastical."]
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No, the Translators substituted the word CHURCH, when the Literal Translation was ASSEMBLY. The GREEK word "ecclesia" translated Literally means ASSEMBLY.

In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc.


We find the word ecclesia (also spelled ekklesia) used in the following senses in the New Testament:


(1.) It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense (Acts 19:32, 39, 41).


(2.) It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church (Eph 5:23, 25, 27, 29; Heb 12:23).


Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature.

Young's LITERAL Translation, uses the word ASSEMBLY.


Matthew 18:17 (YLT)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] `And if he may not hear them, say it to the assembly, and if also the assembly he may not hear, let him be to thee as the heathen man and the tax-gatherer.

Greek Strong's Number: 1577

Greek Word: [FONT=&quot]ἐκκλησία[/FONT]

Transliteration: [FONT=&quot]ekklēsia[/FONT]

Phonetic Pronunciation:

ek-klay-see'-ah
Root: from a compound of <G1537> and a derivative of <G2564>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 3:501,394
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Assembly, Congregation



Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
church 115
assembly 3
[Total Count: 118]


Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

VINE'S Words are the LITERAL TRANSLATION, the meaning "CHURCH" was TACKED ON some time AFTER THE APOSTLES.

Greek NASB Number: 1577

Greek Word: [FONT=&quot]ἐκκλησία[/FONT]



Transliterated Word: [FONT=&quot]ekklêsia[/FONT]
Root: from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--


New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No, the Translators substituted the word CHURCH, when the Literal Translation was ASSEMBLY. The GREEK word "ecclesia" translated Literally means ASSEMBLY.



Young's LITERAL Translation, uses the word ASSEMBLY.


Matthew 18:17 (YLT)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] `And if he may not hear them, say it to the assembly, and if also the assembly he may not hear, let him be to thee as the heathen man and the tax-gatherer.





VINE'S Words are the LITERAL TRANSLATION, the meaning "CHURCH" was TACKED ON some time AFTER THE APOSTLES.

Hello VCO,

Setting aside the word church, the Ekklesia is a specific assembly i.e. "out-called ones" said assembly originating from Christ's establishment of the church at his coming until this present day. When the Ekklesia is completed the Lord will descend and will gather them, which will bring an end to the Ekklesia/church period.

Consequently, that assembly of the Ekklesia did not exist prior to Christ's appearing in the flesh. For the Lord said, "I will build my church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it."

As I have pointed out before and you yourself can check, the words "I will build" are in the future tense, which infers something that is yet to be built, from the time that the Lord said it. Therefore, that assembly called the church did not previously exist prior to the Lord's appearing.

There are groups that are in the Christ, but are not apart of the church, such as the OT saints, the great tribulation saints and the nation Israel during the time of the great tribulation. For if any of these did belong to the Ekklesia/church, then at the time of the resurrection they would also be resurrected and caught up with the rest of the Ekklesia/church.

 

[Nehemiah6]

No, the Translators substituted the word CHURCH, when the Literal Translation was ASSEMBLY. The GREEK word "ecclesia" translated Literally means ASSEMBLY.

So what? What exactly have you proved by nit-picking? There are a lot of words which are not "literally" there and many are also transliterated. So would you be nit-picking had the translators kept it as "ekklesia" in English? And if you want to be REALLY LITERAL, it is not even "assembly". It is "called out ones", and I have already posted that. So should they have kept saying "called out ones"? Unbelievable!

 

[VCO]

So what? What exactly have you proved by nit-picking? There are a lot of words which are not "literally" there and many are also transliterated. So would you be nit-picking had the translators kept it as "ekklesia" in English? And if you want to be REALLY LITERAL, it is not even "assembly". It is "called out ones", and I have already posted that. So should they have kept saying "called out ones"? Unbelievable!

NO, using the actual word ASSEMBLY applies to both O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints equally.

Using the Wrong word CHURCH applies to ONLY N.T. Saints.

 

[Willie-T]

NO, using the actual word ASSEMBLY applies to both O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints equally.

Using the Wrong word CHURCH applies to ONLY N.T. Saints.

To be real, when they 'assembled'...... they actually "Synagogued".

 

[VCO]

Hello VCO,

Setting aside the word church, the Ekklesia is a specific assembly i.e. "out-called ones" said assembly originating from Christ's establishment of the church at his coming until this present day. When the Ekklesia is completed the Lord will descend and will gather them, which will bring an end to the Ekklesia/church period.

Consequently, that assembly of the Ekklesia did not exist prior to Christ's appearing in the flesh. For the Lord said, "I will build my church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it."

As I have pointed out before and you yourself can check, the words "I will build" are in the future tense, which infers something that is yet to be built, from the time that the Lord said it. Therefore, that assembly called the church did not previously exist prior to the Lord's appearing.

There are groups that are in the Christ, but are not apart of the church, such as the OT saints, the great tribulation saints and the nation Israel during the time of the great tribulation. For if any of these did belong to the Ekklesia/church, then at the time of the resurrection they would also be resurrected and caught up with the rest of the Ekklesia/church.

Eplain to me how O.T. Saints are NOT CO-EQUALLY called out for the LORD'S Purposes?


Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.


Exodus 19:3-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Moses went up ⌊the mountain⌋ to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain: “This is what you must say to the house of Jacob, and explain to the Israelites:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now if you will listen to Me and carefully keep My covenant, you will be My own possession out of all the peoples, although all the earth is Mine,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and you will be My kingdom of priests and My holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.”


HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM:


1 Peter 1:13-16 (ESV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”


NEW Testament teaches only a FEW find the Narrow Gate and are SAVED

OLD Testament teaches only a remnant of Israel will be SAVED,


HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?



Leviticus 11:45 (CSBBible)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] For I am the LORD, who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God, so you must be holy because I am holy.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (CSBBible)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But as the one who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.


HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?


Psalm 14:3 (CSBBible)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] All have turned away;
all alike have become corrupt.
There is no one who does good,

not even one.

Romans 3:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away;
all alike have become useless.
There is no one who does what is good,
not even one.


HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?



Galatians 2:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now from those recognized as important (what they really were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism)—they added nothing to me.


Acts 10:34 (HCSB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Then Peter began to speak: “Now I really understand that God doesn’t show favoritism,


Romans 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no favoritism with God.



Ephesians 6:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And masters, treat your slaves the same way, without threatening them, because you know that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.


Favoritism is SIN, and NOW you seem to be asking me to BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOWS FAVORITISM TO CHRISTIANS over the JEWS of the O.T. who BELIEVED GOD WOULD SEND A MESSIAH?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Good evening VCO,

Eplain to me how O.T. Saints are NOT CO-EQUALLY called out for the LORD'S Purposes?

Just to clarify, I did not say that they were not co-equal. I said that they are not apart of the church, just as the great tribulation saints are not apart of the church. Also, please explain to me what the Lord meant when He said, "I will build my church," those words being in the future tense? It would be an improper proclamation if the Ekklesia already existed. If that was the case, it would be more accurate to say, I will add on to the church or continue to build the church. But when you say "I will build my church" it infers that this group called the Ekklesia/church had not yet been built. Would you not agree?

There are just different groups under Christ. For example, you have the group of 144,000 who will come out of the twelve tribes of Israel, who will acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah. This group, though not apart of the church, will sing a song in heaven that no one can learn except the 144,000. Different group.

Since the entire church--dead and living--will have already been gathered and these 144,000 will be on the earth after the church has been gathered, then they do not belong to the church, but are under a different group, just as the great tribulation saints are, who are all Gentiles. It does not necessarily mean that they are not equal, it just means that they belong to a different group.

If we look at chapters 1 thru 3 of Revelation, only the word Ekklesia/church is used and you will not find the word Hagios/saints used in those same chapters. Likewise, from chapter 4 onward, the word Ekklesia/church is never used again throughout the narrative of God's wrath. Likewise, the great tribulation saints are never referred to as the Ekklesia/church, even though there are plenty of places in scripture that they could be referred to as such. The answer though is that they are not the church. After the end of chapter 3 they are always referred to as Hagios/saints.

Here is another thing to consider, Israel was referred to as God's wife and not as His bride. The Ekklessia/church on the other hand, is referred to as the bride of Christ. We are not yet married to Him, for the wedding of the Lamb will not take place until the bride/church has been resurrected and caught up, as demonstrated in Rev.19:6-8. At that point we then receive our fine linen, white and clean (wedding gowns).

 

[Ahwatukee]

NO, using the actual word ASSEMBLY applies to both O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints equally.

Using the Wrong word CHURCH applies to ONLY N.T. Saints.

Hey VCO,

What you are doing is pigeon-holing the word "Assembly." People do the same thing with the word "Trumpet," which is why we have people erroneously claiming that the 7th trumpet of the trumpet judgments is the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Cor.15:52. There are different trumpets and there are different assemblies.

But just for the sake of the argument, when Jesus said, "I will build my assembly and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," it would still infer that this particular assembly called the Ekklesia, was yet to be built. Therefore, regardless of what word you put into that scripture to represent this group, it was in the future tense from the Lord proclaiming it.

 

[Locutus]

Ahtaboy aht it again.....

Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church (ekklesia) daily such as should be saved.

αἰνοῦντες τὸν θεὸν καὶ ἔχοντες χάριν πρὸς ὅλον τὸν λαόν ὁ δὲ κύριος προσετίθει τοὺς σῳζομένους καθ᾽ ἡμέραν τῇ ἐκκλησία.

 

[VCO]

Hey VCO,

What you are doing is pigeon-holing the word "Assembly." People do the same thing with the word "Trumpet," which is why we have people erroneously claiming that the 7th trumpet of the trumpet judgments is the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Cor.15:52. There are different trumpets and there are different assemblies.

But just for the sake of the argument, when Jesus said, "I will build my assembly and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," it would still infer that this particular assembly called the Ekklesia, was yet to be built. Therefore, regardless of what word you put into that scripture to represent this group, it was in the future tense from the Lord proclaiming it.

The Jews called the 100th Trump from the Shofar during the Feast of Trumpets, the LAST TRUMP. You would think the Church would spend some time Studying the Seven Feasts of Israel, and find out why GOD gave specific instructions on how they were to be carried out.

AND WHEN THEY TRANSLATED THE O.T. INTO GREEK, GUESS WHAT WORD THE HEBREW WORD FOR ASSEMBLY TRANSLATED TOO?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Jews called the 100th Trump from the Shofar during the Feast of Trumpets, the LAST TRUMP. You would think the Church would spend some time Studying the Seven Feasts of Israel, and find out why GOD gave specific instructions on how they were to be carried out.

AND WHEN THEY TRANSLATED THE O.T. INTO GREEK, GUESS WHAT WORD THE HEBREW WORD FOR ASSEMBLY TRANSLATED TOO?

VCO, your avoiding the question. Since Jesus said "I will build my church" which is in the future tense, how do you explain this? Regarding the trumpets, the last one of that type of trumpet has yet to be sounded and that because the church is still here.