153 fish

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posthuman

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I simply think 153 was the limit, Jesus knew it, and 154 would have burst the net, lost all the fish , the net, and a nights work .
John writes as though under ordinary circumstances 153 should have broken the net:

Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three;
and although there were so many, the net was not broken.

(John 21:11)
 

massorite

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John writes as though under ordinary circumstances 153 should have broken the net:

Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three;
and although there were so many, the net was not broken.
(John 21:11)
Here we go again. Doubt Casting on Christs abilities to
That would mean that Christ is limited in what He can do. NO NO NO you are wrong about that. If Christ can cause exactly 153 fish to go into the nets of the fishermen. He could have caused 153,000 fish to go into the net and cause the net to be strong enough to hold any number He chose to put into that net.
I simply think 153 was the limit, Jesus knew it, and 154 would have burst the net, lost all the fish , the net, and a nights work .
Here we go again. Doubt Casting on Christs Godly abilities to do whatever He wants.
That would mean that Christ is limited in what He can do. NO NO NO you are wrong about that. If Christ can cause exactly 153 fish to go into the nets of the fishermen. He could have caused 153,000 fish to go into the net and cause the net to be strong enough to hold any number He chose to put into that net.
 

bojack

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Here we go again. Doubt Casting on Christs abilities to
That would mean that Christ is limited in what He can do. NO NO NO you are wrong about that. If Christ can cause exactly 153 fish to go into the nets of the fishermen. He could have caused 153,000 fish to go into the net and cause the net to be strong enough to hold any number He chose to put into that net.

Here we go again. Doubt Casting on Christs Godly abilities to do whatever He wants.
That would mean that Christ is limited in what He can do. NO NO NO you are wrong about that. If Christ can cause exactly 153 fish to go into the nets of the fishermen. He could have caused 153,000 fish to go into the net and cause the net to be strong enough to hold any number He chose to put into that net.
And He fed the 5,000 with two fish and five small loafs with 12 baskets left over
 

Diakonos

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#44
Yes, there is great significance in the number 153.
In the Hebrew language, their number and letters are the same symbols, that means every letter has a numeral value. And every number spells out a word. The number 135 spells out "I am God" any jew would instantly pick that up from reading the text. It was a subtle but profound way of revealing displaying the sovereignty of and wisdom of our Lord.
Also, If you add up every occasion where Jesus healed/blessed people, it totals 153. God's name shows up 153 times in Genesis....and i'm sure there's more that I just haven't seen!
 

Lanolin

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Yes, there is great significance in the number 153.
In the Hebrew language, their number and letters are the same symbols, that means every letter has a numeral value. And every number spells out a word. The number 135 spells out "I am God" any jew would instantly pick that up from reading the text. It was a subtle but profound way of revealing displaying the sovereignty of and wisdom of our Lord.
Also, If you add up every occasion where Jesus healed/blessed people, it totals 153. God's name shows up 153 times in Genesis....and i'm sure there's more that I just haven't seen!
wow, I thought there was something significant in it that was lost in english translation. even though the new testament is in greek? I dont suppose they would have got that.
Can you write the letters here so I can see it?
 

massorite

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Yes, there is great significance in the number 153.
In the Hebrew language, their number and letters are the same symbols, that means every letter has a numeral value. And every number spells out a word. The number 135 spells out "I am God" any jew would instantly pick that up from reading the text. It was a subtle but profound way of revealing displaying the sovereignty of and wisdom of our Lord.
Also, If you add up every occasion where Jesus healed/blessed people, it totals 153. God's name shows up 153 times in Genesis....and i'm sure there's more that I just haven't seen!
WOW never took the time to count God's name in Genesis.
One thing I do know is that even though there have been some things that might have been lost in translation God has still provided us with books which give us a way to reacquire that knowledge depending on the bible translation. Some of the newer bible translation are so far removed from the KJV that even basic knowledge is confounded.
 

posthuman

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God's name shows up 153 times in Genesis..
Odd I just counted and I get 161

Maybe I miscounted. Did you just hear this somewhere or did you actually count?
 

Diakonos

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Odd I just counted and I get 161

Maybe I miscounted. Did you just hear this somewhere or did you actually count?
My apologies, I meant 2 Samuel... 2 Samuel contains" YHWH" (LORD) 153 times. Genesis contains "yom" (day) 153 times. I just remember seeing that recently
 
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I use to know a connection to the 153 fish but I forgot it.I'll have to think about it.It relates to the Remnant.
 

massorite

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Can you provide any examples?
A couple of examples would be the words Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus. Before KJ those words were used more often to discribe the lower parts of the earth. but they were changed to the word "hell" by the appointed scholars of the KJV to better clarify the "Word Of God" but actually confounded our better understanding of the lower parts of the earth creating confusion. Which caused most folks to think "Hell was one place or realm when actually there are three realms or sections to the Lower parts of the earth.
 

Diakonos

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A couple of examples would be the words Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus. Before KJ those words were used more often to discribe the lower parts of the earth. but they were changed to the word "hell" by the appointed scholars of the KJV to better clarify the "Word Of God" but actually confounded our better understanding of the lower parts of the earth creating confusion. Which caused most folks to think "Hell was one place or realm when actually there are three realms or sections to the Lower parts of the earth.
Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yes, you are correct about that. But it's not completely "lost", it's just lost in some translations. There is no perfect English translation. But that's why Hebrew and Greek studies are so vital for in-depth Bible Study. From the several thousand Biblical manuscripts we know of, we are certain about 99.7% of what the original language conveys. The other 0.03% are minor details that have no significant influence on any Biblical doctrine. Even without language studies, any Christian can know God, His plan, His desires, live godly and bear much fruit. But for controversial issues, the studies and methods to interpret are there. Nothing is truly "lost", it just takes some diligence (1 Timothy 2:15)
 

massorite

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Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yes, you are correct about that. But it's not completely "lost", it's just lost in some translations. There is no perfect English translation. But that's why Hebrew and Greek studies are so vital for in-depth Bible Study. From the several thousand Biblical manuscripts we know of, we are certain about 99.7% of what the original language conveys. The other 0.03% are minor details that have no significant influence on any Biblical doctrine. Even without language studies, any Christian can know God, His plan, His desires, live godly and bear much fruit. But for controversial issues, the studies and methods to interpret are there. Nothing is truly "lost", it just takes some diligence (1 Timothy 2:15)
Yes I agree.
 
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Just wondering what the significance of this number is in the Bible, when the disciples went fishing and caught this many?
Does it represent the number of tribes or peoples or tongues or nations do you think?

according to some estimates there are about 197 nations in the world or different countries...
They were fishing from a boat and caught 153 fish. In Jewish gematria numerology, the word boat equals 153. In Matthew 24, the return of Jesus is compared to the flood in the days of Noah's ark. The unrighteous died in the flood, those in the ark were saved. Jesus is compared to the ark and an ark is a boat.

People are figuratively referred to as fish that need to be caught or, literally speaking, discipled into Christ. Fish are caught from boats such as in John 21 where 153 fish were caught.

So the number for 'boat' in gematria numerology is 153, there were 153 fish, the righteous were saved by a boat (Ark), and Jesus is compared to a boat.

Not saying any of this is definitive, just an interesting correlation.