Can Salvation be lost?

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Magenta

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Then slow down. My pastor, who is dead now , used to say my ears try’s words like my mouth try’s meat. So chew your words.if you might know the correct meaning look it up in the divonary.
I tried to look up " divonary" in the dictionary, but it was not there :eek:
 
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Much harder when you come to the door only to find yourself locked out. What a shame.
 

Magenta

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Much harder when you come to the door only to find yourself locked out. What a shame.
Could you please use the option "Reply With Quote" so we know to whom you are responding? Thank you :)
 
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Then slow down. My pastor, who is dead now , used to say my ears try’s words like my mouth try’s meat. So chew your words.if you might know the correct meaning look it up in the divonary.
Careful there, DD. If you look up the word "hate" in the dictionary, I doubt you will be able to square the definition you'll find there with Luke 14:26 where we are told we cannot be Christ's disciples if we do not hate our entire families, AND our own lives.

I think you bit off a little more there than anyone can just swallow.
 
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Careful there, DD. If you look up the word "hate" in the dictionary, I doubt you will be able to square the definition you'll find there with Luke 14:26 where we are told we cannot be Christ's disciples if we do not hate our entire families, AND our own lives.

I think you bit off a little more there than anyone can just swallow.
how true always gotta consider context and whom the scripture is intended for.
 
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Careful there, DD. If you look up the word "hate" in the dictionary, I doubt you will be able to square the definition you'll find there with Luke 14:26 where we are told we cannot be Christ's disciples if we do not hate our entire families, AND our own lives.

I think you bit off a little more there than anyone can just swallow.
The Bible is translated in old English not American lingo
 
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how true always gotta consider context and whom the scripture is intended for.
..... and also the fact that we no longer consider words the same way they did back in the 1500's and 1600's. That simple mistake seems to constantly throw a lot of people.
 
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The Bible is translated in old English not American lingo
So, we are certainly amiss to tell people to go to their dictionaries to look up words that may not mean the same there as they did to Shakespeare.
 
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..... and also the fact that we no longer consider words the same way they did back in the 1500's and 1600's. That simple mistake seems to constantly throw a lot of people.
Yeah, like straight really is narrow .
 
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I can speak Elizabethan English fairly well... it rolls right off my tongue, and I love it. But, I would never suggest anyone not so fortunate to try and wrest their way through the KJV. That is a recipe for disaster.
 
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I can speak Elizabethan English fairly well... it rolls right off my tongue, and I love it. But, I would never suggest anyone not so fortunate to try and wrest their way through the KJV. That is a recipe for disaster.
I really find no trouble of course I’m a tad bit older than you, Willie my friend.
 
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Here’s one that can help undo your confusion. Can a person who preaches to his sheep under the law teach on the new moon festivals yet say there is no Sabath. Would he not be a false prophet? Then if a preacher preach on th whole Bible say Acts 2:38 is not needed,is he not a false prophet? Jesus said if you keep the whole law except one little thing you have broken the whole law. Think about it.
 

mailmandan

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That’s not entirely true. Just believing on Jesus does not save anyone.
To the contrary, we are saved when we believe in/on Jesus (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..).

There must be action taken to prove it.
We show our faith by our works (James 2:18), but we are saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9). In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith but has no works (to back up his claim). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" He is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

Just as Abraham believed in God then afterwards the action was circumcision.
Romans 4:9 - Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also.

You must be baptized in Jesus name.to wash away your sins as in Acts 2:38. Other wise your just a wet sinner.
In Jesus name "only?" Are you a Oneness Pentecostal? :confused:

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

*In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47 - this is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
 
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I really find no trouble of course I’m a tad bit older than you, Willie my friend.
Just when Willie thought no one could play the age card against him anymore. Right, Willie? ...you young wipper snapper, you, lol.
 
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To the contrary, we are saved when we believe in/on Jesus (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..).

We show our faith by our works (James 2:18), but we are saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9). In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith but has no works (to back up his claim). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" He is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

Romans 4:9 - Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also.

In Jesus name "only?" Are you a Oneness Pentecostal? :confused:

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

*In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47 - this is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
Here’s one that can help undo your confusion. Can a person who preaches to his sheep under the law teach on the new moon festivals yet say there is no Sabath. Would he not be a false prophet? Then if a preacher preach on th whole Bible say Acts 2:38 is not needed,is he not a false prophet? Jesus said if you keep the whole law except one little thing you have broken the whole law. Think about it.
 

mailmandan

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Here’s one that can help undo your confusion. Can a person who preaches to his sheep under the law teach on the new moon festivals yet say there is no Sabath. Would he not be a false prophet? Then if a preacher preach on th whole Bible say Acts 2:38 is not needed,is he not a false prophet? Jesus said if you keep the whole law except one little thing you have broken the whole law. Think about it.
You sound completely confused. Think about it.
 

notuptome

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Just when Willie thought no one could play the age card against him anymore. Right, Willie? ...you young wipper snapper, you, lol.
They can share a bag of prunes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger