Can Salvation be lost?

LoveGodForever · Oct 1, 2017

The parable of can salvation be lost?

There is only two classes professing his name that tell the story. Both grow together till the end of time. The wheat are God's and the tares just have a name. Both groups say they believe. One groups belief is working by the power of love because they have looked into the mirror they see Him who knows all and know that they are blind and cannot see without the mirror. The other group has no mirror and say they see but cannot now cannot find the way.

Of these two groups it is written again that the light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

He who sees, sees all. How can you being evil do good things when you are blind but think you see? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. The mirror shows the way and all must look into it and see themselves before they can see the reflection of he who loves all. Looking into the mirror we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the still small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it. Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way few can find it.

It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and the deaf to have ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. The mirror shows the way. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? The poor, blind and naked are those who look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see, you hear and are walking therefore your sins remains. How can you bare fruit if you do not abide in the vine?

Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks.

Do you know the meaning of His Word? He that has eyes to see let him see and he who has ears to hear let him here.... God's Sheep hear His Voice. Those that know not do not know the way and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Only the mirror shows the way for the blind to see, the deaf to hear and the lame to walk. How can you see him if you throw away the mirror God gives you? If your mirror is broken how can you know the way?

Do you know the meaning of the parable of can salvation be lost?

God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

Enow · Oct 1, 2017

Blain said:

A professing believer is a saved Christian. That does not necessarily mean he is a disciple in following Jesus Christ. If they are unrepentant workers of iniquity, they are at risk of being disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper to be castaways and thus later received after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor but they are still in His House as the least of the brethren.

A saved believer that trusts Jesus Christ to help him to follow Him is a disciple of Jesus Christ Whom prepared & kept by Him shall be received as vessels unto honor in His House at the pre trib rapture event to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor.

Jesus wants saved believers to be His disciples so that they may bear fruit & that their joy may be full. Indeed, anyone being His disciples can expect to be pruned to bear more fruit.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

The consequence of verse 6 is not about loss of salvation, but the consequence for not abiding in Him as His disciple when being unrepentant workers of iniquity. One can go to Him and trust Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to discern good and evil by the meat of the KJV and by Him, to depart from iniquity just as we are to look to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race as we rest in Him our confidence in Him to finish what He has started in us.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. [SUP]26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: [SUP]27 [/SUP]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure..........[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; [SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Salvation is not complicated; but discipleship in running that race is when believers misunderstand scripture thinking salvation is at risk when the dire consequence for not abiding in Him as His disciples will involves more than the loss of the reward of crowns, but winding up being a castaway; to be left behind at the pre trib rapture event as disqualified to attend the Supper.

Prov910 · Oct 1, 2017

Cee said:

This is true on so many levels. It was true in Jesus' time with the Pharisees and the law. It was true in the middle ages when the church sought to have a monopoly on the word of God. It's even true on CC.

Cee said:

I can't imagine that people *would* want to leave the Lord. But, sadly, I've known people who have.

Cee · Oct 1, 2017

I know lots of people who left religion. Today there is a gigantic hole where discipleship needs to be. And because of this while some have relationship with Scripture and what religion teaches you must believe. Few have relationship with the Author.

Deacon_D · Oct 1, 2017

I have found that if you dig deep enough you’ll not only find Him but He’ll find you.

Deacon_D · Oct 1, 2017

Most people read too fast to study anything. It’s kind of like if I hurry up and read this I can say I read it. Lol.

LoveGodForever · Oct 1, 2017

Cee said:

How can you have a relationship with scripture and not have a relationship with the author when they are one? Only through His Word can you find the one who loves us. You will seek me and find me when you shall search for me with all your heart. If you do not know the Word you do not know the author.

This is the parable, the seed is the Word of God....

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth....

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.....

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him (the Word) was life; and the life was the light of men....

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth....

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God........

Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer....

Sanctify me through the truth thy Word is truth......

Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I may not sin against thee......

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God...

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever....

For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. The mirror shows the way to those that walk by faith and not by sight. Speak the Word only....the blind now see, the deaf now hear, the lame walk and the dead rise...

May God bless you as you seek him who is the Word

Speak2Me · Oct 1, 2017

Cee said:

I agree. The problem then is how to differentiate between tradition and truth. People have to read their Bibles to know the difference.

Again, I agree. it should be both.

I wholeheartedly agree. Since I've joined Christian Chat I'm running into people who are constantly twisting Bible verses and what others say in order to steer what the readers read. That is unethical, deceitful, unprofessional, and sinful.

I disagree with this one. Since we are all uniquely made by God, I cannot expect other people to think the way I do.

I don't agree with that one either. If that were true, Jesus couldn't use this story at all for His parable. Both bear fruit. It is only then Jesus teaches they can be separated. The fruit of the two is different and easily seen. I don't know how you missed that, because you posted the verse below to prove it.

When we can't tell by the surrounding context, we look for other context that agrees with it.
Mat 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Deacon_D · Oct 1, 2017

Depleted said:

That’s not entirely true. Just believing on Jesus does not save anyone. There must be action taken to prove it. Just as Abraham believed in God then afterwards the action was circumcision. You must be baptized in Jesus name.to wash away your sins as in Acts 2:38. Other wise your just a wet sinner.

Zmouth · Oct 2, 2017

Prov910 said:

Endure to the end of what, one's life or the world?

Since the days of man in the flesh is no more than 120 years (Gen 6:6) but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Isa 65:20)
Seeing that God so loved the world that the question is not whether the world will perish but whether man will, then I wouldn't hold my breath on lasting till the end of the world seeing that man though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: Eccl 6:6

joefizz · Oct 2, 2017

Zmouth said:

The end is meaning until one's service is finished as in our case until we have not only done all we can for God,but also have stood firm for him unto death,for as it written,"he that seeks his life shall lose it,he who loses his life for Jesus shall keep it".

Waggles · Oct 2, 2017

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abides faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2Timothy 2:

Waggles · Oct 2, 2017

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:32-33

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake,
the same shall save it.
25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed,
when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luke 9:24-26

posthuman · Oct 2, 2017

MarcR said:

amen, salvation that is unsure is not salvation at all - it's a dice roll. it's not a promise, it's a 'maybe' and it's a shepherd who can't be trusted to keep his sheep.

if we take it carte blanch & think only of it as opportunity to sin, what kind of people are we? what do we love? what kind of redemption is it that doesn't actually redeem?

mailmandan · Oct 2, 2017

Cee said:

A relationship with "their misinterpretation" of Scripture and what "their" religion teaches them, yet no personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's what you call being "religious" but not right with God. Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and not legalistic, religious bondage to a false religion.

John 17:3 - This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent, which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

LoveGodForever · Oct 2, 2017

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He is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. These are they that are blind and deaf. In times of ignorance God winks at and he is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. It is hard to kick against the pricks.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]He who sees, sees all. How can you being evil do good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. The mirror shows the way that all must look into it and see themselves. Then we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it.

It is hard to kick against the pricks….[/FONT]

Christian71 · Oct 2, 2017

First of all if you have Salvation you didn't deserve it in the first place... You didn't buy it or earn it because it was purchased by you in love, by someone else... It was his gift bought with his own sinless hearts blood that obtained it for you... And we all know who that someone was Jesus the Christ... Now I could quote scripture after scripture to prove my point that you are not you own but are brought with a price, but that isn't necessary... If we are mature Christians we all know the story... You can doubt and say... I'm I saved?... Am I lost?... I'm I saved?... Am I lost?... I'm I saved?... Am I lost?... And the doubt goes on and on... The Lord is not the accuser of his blood bought grace wrought children but you know who is... That Old Lion Satan who goeth around seeking whom he may devour... Will Jesus Christ save all he came to die for and not lose a one?... Scripture says he will and I believe scripture... Eternal life is only found in Jesus Christ... Its all Christ and none of me... Brother Glen

joefizz · Oct 2, 2017

Deacon_D said:

I definitely know that feeling!

Deacon_D · Oct 2, 2017

Then slow down. My pastor, who is dead now , used to say my ears try’s words like my mouth try’s meat. So chew your words.if you might know the correct meaning look it up in the divonary.

Deacon_D · Oct 2, 2017

It’s right nice to quote scriptures but better to know what they mean.

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