Is the great biblical flood real or not?

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Wrong. Only us human beings are living souls designed to go on to the eternities.
Animals have the spirit of God within them so that they are alive, but when an animal or fish
or insect etc. dies they are nothing and the spirit returns to God.

That is why the in-Godly are often referred to as brutish - brute beasts.
The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh.
The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal


animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:24, “living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh).

The translators in translating into the English language used the English word “creature
but in Genesis 2:7 they translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”
—[man] became a “living soul” (nephesh) along with [the creatures] called "living souls".

The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,” referring to physical life and not spirit


there is [a spirit in man] , that is not in animals,
this is not the Holy Spirit of God, every man has one.


Repent, be babtized and recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit,
the power of the Holy spirit can be given to man.


not sure where the bible says that animals have the Holy Spirit from God.
 

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So did God not design Adam with a set of lungs?
God blew into his mouth , to start the breathing process.
ever see a newborn baby take its first breath, a miracle it is.
Also sometimes the nurses have to help it take the first breath.

mans lungs did not evolve from millions of years
 
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That is why the in-Godly are often referred to as brutish - brute beasts.

OOPS! - sorry typo [fat finger dysfunction] - I meant the un-Godly

2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Proverbs 30: KJV

22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
Psalm 73:
 

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again the bible says everything under heaven died, means everything under heaven
"Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven."
Acts 2:5

Now, we have a problem here. Can you explain how a member of all nations under heaven got to Jerusalem?

Its obviously a figure of speech, not a technical description.
 

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"an animal body is sown, a spiritual body is raised. As surely as there is an animal body, so there is also a spiritual body."
1Cor 15:44
 

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"Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews
from every nation under heaven."
Acts 2:5


Now, we have a problem here. Can you explain how a member of all nations under heaven got to Jerusalem?


Its obviously a figure of speech, not a technical description.

Maybe they followed his star like the wise men did,
just took them longer to get there. I have no problem.


you are just making the word of God to no effect.


Also Christ sent the 12 apostles out in the world preaching
the comming kingdom to earth, long before Acts 2
 
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"Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven."
Acts 2:5

Now, we have a problem here. Can you explain how a member of all nations under heaven got to Jerusalem?

Its obviously a figure of speech, not a technical description.
This is a good observation.

There are many times in the Scriptures where world does not mean the entire planet, and where all does not mean every individual alive.

To add to your example from Acts 2:5 here are a couple more:

Luke 2:1 "And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed."

Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
 
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Maybe they followed his star like the wise men did,
just took them longer to get there. I have no problem.


you are just making the word of God to no effect.


Also Christ sent the 12 apostles out in the world preaching
the comming kingdom to earth, long before Acts 2
Its much more probable you do not read it right.
 

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Its obviously a figure of speech, not a technical description.
funny you use this same thinking with a local flood version
the whole earth under heaven is only local.


then use every nation.. has to be the other side of the world only.

then the same people will say in the verses "nation will rise againest nation",
and "kingdom againest kingdom", has happened in the distruction of Jerusalem allready.


or after a 1000 years does not mean after a 1000 years
 
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Luke 2:1 "And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus,
that all the world should be taxed."
are you saying the bible lies and this degree was not made and sent out?
 

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are you saying the bible lies and this degree was not made and sent out?
We are saying that you do not understand the figure of speech and the vocabulary of those days.
 
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are you saying the bible lies and this degree was not made and sent out?
This is just intentional... You seriously believe Augustus started taxing the native americans?
What he means by world would be the Roman Empire..

This is wooden literalism in a nutshell people. It is evident that those who hold to a position such as yours, would have to believe that all humans have been wiped out numerous times from the planet. (And fish of the sea, and birds of the air)
Which is what the Lord says in the prophecy regarding the destruction of Edom.
 

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Which is what the Lord says in the prophecy regarding the destruction of Edom.
then this destruction of Edom is in the future, God can not lie this will happen .
 

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This is just intentional...
You seriously believe Augustus started taxing the native americans?
What he means by world would be the Roman Empire..
every nation. was American Indians called a 'nation' back them? also the bible
says the degree went out, does not mean every nation would pay the tax
 
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then this destruction of Edom is in the future, God can not lie this will happen .
Ah I see, the put everything in the future mentality. You have a lot of things still to be fulfilled, some of it contradictory and it must be fulfilled in a short time span. Tough task.

You are claiming this is future, when the reality is EDOM IS LONG GONE! It is nothing but sand. God already did it
 
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"an animal body is sown, a spiritual body is raised. As surely as there is an animal body,
so there is also a spiritual body." 1Cor 15:44


not sure what translation you use.
this is talking about a future resurrection of the dead, at the last trumph.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.


1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.


1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 

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It is evident that those who hold to a position such as yours, would have to believe that all humans have been wiped out numerous times from the planet. (And fish of the sea, and birds of the air)
Which is what the Lord says in the prophecy regarding the destruction of Edom.
only one place that I remember says all man [but Noahs family] would die.

Where in the bible does it say He would wipe out
all man and animals from the planet [numerous times]?
 
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prove-all read through Isaiah 13. It is about the judgment of Babylon, yet as the chapter goes on, with the way people read the Bible today, it would mean that the judgment of Babylon never came, but is also future due to symbolism like this:

Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate its sinners from it.
For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;

The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light.

Thus I will punish the world for its evil
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud
And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.
I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir.
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
And the earth will be shaken from its place

And it goes on to describe more details. The point being, it is about babylon's judgment as the first verse states, yet the following verses with the way they are popularly interpreted indicate world wide destruction of all sorts, with the sun and stars going bonkers too! Especially moon and sun going dark and earth shaken is very popular, it it also mentioned Isaiah 34, in Joel, in Acts 2 its quoted as fulfilled (the Joel occurance)
The reason I firmly believe Edom and Babylon judgments already happened is because well, it is a historic fact those nations do not exist anymore.