2 Kinds Of Faith
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Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
It is as I said, profession without true faith.
See, this is where you are totally confused. Profession only or profession of faith is the same as "though a man say he hath faith,".
You seem to be straining at a gnat to prove me wrong...it won't work.
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scripture proves you wrong....faith comes by hearing....the man says he has faith ...James says he has faith but no works ...therefore his faith is dead.....James gives an example...you see someone in need of food and clothes and you say be warm and be filled..but you don't satisfy their need....it is not profitable for them nor for you..true faith is coupled with works....that is the faith that saves....it is like this bro ...you say you are saved through faith ...where is the works that go with your faith to be saved?
Actually there are five "types" of faith:
household of faith - Gal. 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
faith of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
manifestation of faith: 1 Cor. 12:7,9a But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. . . . To another faith by the same Spirit
fruit of the Spirit faith - Gal. 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
the common faith - Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. The faith common to every born again believer and is also in relation to the household faith.
I just had to do it. . . couldn't help myself
household of faith - Gal. 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
faith of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
manifestation of faith: 1 Cor. 12:7,9a But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. . . . To another faith by the same Spirit
fruit of the Spirit faith - Gal. 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
the common faith - Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. The faith common to every born again believer and is also in relation to the household faith.
I just had to do it. . . couldn't help myself
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
There you go, BACK to your origin False Doctrine.
NO, it must be stated: "True Faith that DID SAVE, will manifest itself in our Works, our Obedience, and our Spritual Fruit", or it DOES NOT SQUARE WITH SCRIPTURE.
IF you believe it is - "FAITH Coupled with Works earns Salvation" - THAT is a LIE, and that statement is calling GOD a LIAR.
NO, it must be stated: "True Faith that DID SAVE, will manifest itself in our Works, our Obedience, and our Spritual Fruit", or it DOES NOT SQUARE WITH SCRIPTURE.
IF you believe it is - "FAITH Coupled with Works earns Salvation" - THAT is a LIE, and that statement is calling GOD a LIAR.
K
No, there is only one faith, but that faith starts out broad and ends very specifically. Faith (belief) is believing that God is real, but there is more to it than that, God has many other truths other than that He is real. What the bible is saying is that believing that God is real is not enough- even demons believe that God is real.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
There is no way you can take faith or works out of the picture, nor the teaching of both being necessary in Christian faith. They are coupled together at every stage of Christian development and can't be separated. Our faith being the core and anchor. Works are the fruits of that faith. No one who is lawless will live by either. God has to call them. Then they will produce works coupled with their faith and produce plenteously.
Hebrew 6:10
God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
There is no way you can take faith or works out of the picture, nor the teaching of both being necessary in Christian faith. They are coupled together at every stage of Christian development and can't be separated. Our faith being the core and anchor. Works are the fruits of that faith. No one who is lawless will live by either. God has to call them. Then they will produce works coupled with their faith and produce plenteously.
Hebrew 6:10
God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
Faith gives the courage to do the work it seems. When we come to Christ, it can be a work to turn around and go the other direction (repent). Then it takes faith to pick up bible and start reading it, that it will tell us how we are created to live in the Creators kingdom (work), and the list of works is listed, for all to see.
Viewing from belief only perspective:
Jn 3:16 whosoever believeth should not perish
James 2:19 the devils also believe
Conclusion: the devils should not perish
Viewing from the bible's perspective:
Mk 16:16 he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
James 2:19 the devils also believe
Conclusion: the devils shall not be saved
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Yes "poor teaching" is why most cannot explain what born again actually is, including a lot of Pastors.
In my youth, I had a Lutheran Pastor that I asked what born again was, and the only answer I got was "It is a work of the Holy Spirit, and it is not something you can do." Other questions about what verses meant by what they said, were met with his standard response, "I can tell you what the Bible says, but I am not permitted to tell you what it means by what it says." I was looking for serious explanations to my questions, and that is all I got. IN ALL FAIRNESS to LUTHERANS, he was an exception to the rule. He was an elderly pastor, that was not gifted to exposit the Word of God, and did not really try, (maybe he slept through theology classes). I certainly have met some Lutheran Pastors that are Excellent Bible Expositors. Later in life another Lutheran Pastor commented when I told him what Baptist friend of mine said about "receiving Jesus as LORD", he just snapped, "THAT'S WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS".
After I was Born Again, after a third attempt at suicide, I started searching for a Church that was comfortable with actually TEACHING the Word of God, but since I had seen enough Denominational Bigotry to last a lifetime, I gravitated towards Non-Denominational Bible Teaching Churches.
I have grown spiritually to have a very good understanding of what Born Again is, and why only those who are born again are Saved. I understand that some have no idea what happened to them and why they are different afterwards, than they were before the Holy Spirit came into their hearts. Again, that is a result of how poorly the Churches have been teaching Born Again.
John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Jesus said, that we MUST BE born again, or we cannot see the kingdom of God. That makes teaching born again, critically important, and yet it has been my experience, through a lot of Church Hopping in my younger years, right after I was born again; that Pastors seem to shy away from teaching what born again is. Plus among those who do try to teach it, there seems to be a great deal of confusion, and false beliefs mixed in. It is not Tongues Speaking, It is not our walk of Obedience (though it will produce that life style after we are born again), it is not Sabbath Keeping, nor is it Christian Water Baptism. It really is easy to understand, especially when you look at all the verses pertaining to when the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, and then teach it as simply as possible.
Colossians 2:13 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
Which part of you was once DEAD, but made alive with Christ?
The Body has always been alive since before natural birth.
The Soul which the Greek Word itself defines, is Psyche: cognitive abilities, reasoning, thoughts memories, emotions, feelings, the ability to discern right from wrong, etc.; all are part of Soul, and all are invisible, and functioning within the human brain from before natural child birth on. So it has never been dead either.
Thus it is the Human Spirit that was once DEAD in our sins, and that term does not mean NON-FUNCTIONING. It means was not in tune with the Will of GOD, and was only in tune with our Sinful Nature from natural child birth on to when we became born again. So it is our Human Spirit that must be born again, by the Holy Spirit the moment HE enters our hearts. THUS, "that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
How much "alive" does our Human Spirit become, when the Holy Spirit enters?
John 5:24 (ISV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Truly, truly I tell you, the one who hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and does not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life.
We know this body will die, so it is obvious that HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN SPIRIT IN PAST TENSE TERMS AS ALREADY HAVING ETERNAL LIFE. NOTE: It is NOT ETERNAL if you can Lose It.
Now here is a TRUTH about what happens when one becomes Born Again that MOST CHRISTIANS MISS, and it explains why receiving Jesus as LORD is NOT A WORK.
Romans 5:5 (ISV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
That kind of love is Agape Love, and it CANNOT BE GENERATED BY THE HUMAN MIND. It is part of the free gift of Faith. Remember the Parable of the Sower? What was the Holy Spirit looking for in the hearts of human beings? Correct, fertile soil. NOW the Word of GOD is the seed, "faith comes by hearing with spiritual understanding the Word of GOD"; AND THIS God's love is the LIVING WATER, that will cause that seed to sprout in our hearts and produce an abundant harvest.
The Word of GOD sown in our hearts and God's love watering it, produces geniune FAITH.
God's love in our hearts produces: Believing GOD.
God's love in our hearts produces: Hunger to understand His Word.
God's love in our hearts produces: A desire to Confess and Repent of Sin.
God's love in our hearts produces: A desire to Surrender to and Receive Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning Master.
God's love in our hearts produces: A desire to please HIM, Love HIM, and OBEY HIM.
God's love in our hearts produces: A desire to tell others about Jesus Christ.
God's love in our hearts produces: A longing to go HOME, to Heaven to be with our LORD.
ALL OF THAT are the things that spawn out of being born again, because of God's love having been POURED into our hearts. NONE OF IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR WORKS, it is all a part of the WORKS that Holy Spirit did in our hearts.
GOD gets all of the glory!
It is not a hard subject to teach, and it is so critically important, but you are right, it truly is poorly taught more often than not is this day and age.