2 Thessalonians 2

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GaryA

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Again, biblically-speaking, the word "RETURN" (when used re: Jesus) speaks ONLY of His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19 (i.e. Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and its parallels] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" [i.e. as ALREADY-wed]... THEN the meal [G347; aka the earthly MK age]; and Luke 19:12,15,17,19 [and its parallel] "RETURN");
Again, biblically-speaking, there is only one 'return' of Christ - only one Second Coming of Christ. There is no Third Coming. And, there is no "He didn't actually 'come' because His feet did not touch the ground." either. :rolleyes:

When He appears, He is here to stay.

... so think with me here... who among us believes that "the man of sin" / "antichrist" / "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' [bringing deception; Matt24:4 / Mk13:5]" SNATCHES [G726] *anyone* "TO MEET him... IN THE AIR"... (let alone the ONE SINGULAR SNATCH-ACTION of the "ONE BODY [Church WHICH IS HIS BODY]" at ONE POINT IN TIME)??

Exactly none of us (on any side of the viewpoints) say or think that. ;)
How in the world did you even come up with this???
 

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I believe the 42 months of the first one was fulfilled during the time from 538 A.D. until 1798 A.D. - during which, the Roman Church "ruled" the earth and "had their way with the saints"...

For the second one, please see the explanation given here:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
So you believe the first 42 months is 1798-538= 1200 years

And we are in the second part for another 1200 years?

Rev 13 say on the second part no body able to sale or buy without mark of the beast, why we are able to buy internet time now?
 

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So you believe the first 42 months is 1798-538= 1200 years

And we are in the second part for another 1200 years?

Rev 13 say on the second part no body able to sale or buy without mark of the beast, why we are able to buy internet time now?
There is no "first half"...

There is no "second half"...

There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.

(1260 years, BTW)

The MOTB is future.
 

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There is no "first half"...

There is no "second half"...

There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.

(1260 years, BTW)

The MOTB is future.
Do you believe rev 13 about mark of the beast will happen in the future or never happen?
 

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I am sorry I don't know that moth mean mark of the beast

You believe first beast end in ad 1798 don't you?

Why moth not start in 1799 after first beast?
 

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I am sorry I don't know that moth mean mark of the beast

You believe first beast end in ad 1798 don't you?

Why moth not start in 1799 after first beast?
End? Good heavens no! Still alive and well today - in the form of the RCC.
 

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In Revelation 13, verse 7 is past while verse 8 is future.

I like to suggest this to try to get people to understand that the "scope" of prophecy on God's time scale is a whole lot "larger" than the small span of time that most people are focused on.
 

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Consider:

The souls under the altar in Revelation 6 are the martyrs from the Dark Ages.

The ones they are waiting on "that should be killed as they were" are those that refuse to worship the beast and are beheaded. (Revelation 13:15; 20:4)

One is past and one is future.

A loooooooooong span of time.

Understand?
 
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Again, biblically-speaking, there is only one 'return' of Christ - only one Second Coming of Christ. There is no Third Coming. And, there is no "He didn't actually 'come' because His feet did not touch the ground." either. :rolleyes:

When He appears, He is here to stay.


How in the world did you even come up with this???
This is not correct though.
Nowhere does the Bible talk of a second coming.
 
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Again, biblically-speaking, the word "RETURN" (when used re: Jesus) speaks ONLY of His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19 (i.e. Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and its parallels] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" [i.e. as ALREADY-wed]... THEN the meal [G347; aka the earthly MK age]; and Luke 19:12,15,17,19 [and its parallel] "RETURN");




... so think with me here... who among us believes that "the man of sin" / "antichrist" / "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' [bringing deception; Matt24:4 / Mk13:5]" SNATCHES [G726] *anyone* "TO MEET him... IN THE AIR"... (let alone the ONE SINGULAR SNATCH-ACTION of the "ONE BODY [Church WHICH IS HIS BODY]" at ONE POINT IN TIME)??

Exactly none of us (on any side of the viewpoints) say or think that. ;)
Hypostrepho means return in Luke 19:12
In this instance, in the the parable of the 10 talents, it does not refer to a future (''2nd'') coming of Christ.
It describes his First century Coming to Israel. Read it carefully.

A man of noble birth - An Israelite
Is going to a distant country To be appointed King - Heaven
Calls 10 servants and entrusts them with responsibility, ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back' - Ministry to Israel
“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ - Some of Israel rejects Messiah
15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. - Christ returns to earth after being crowned in Heaven
‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ - He judges Israel; the Church is given authority
'you wicked servant!' - apostate Israel who rejected Christ
26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence (emprosthen) - NRSV.’” - Christ judges Israel in AD70
 

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parallel Matthew 25:14-30
[and other "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages, and other "cast into outer darkness" passages]

14 For it is like a man going on a journey who called his own servants and delivered his possessing to them. 15 And indeed to one he gave five talents;b and to one, two; and to one, one; to each according to his own ability. And he left the region immediately.

16 The one having received the five talents, having gone, traded with them, and made five more. 17 Likewise, the one with the two gained two more. 18 But the one having received the one talent, having gone away, dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 And after much time, the master of those servants comes and takes account with them. 20 And the one having received the five talents, having come, brought to him five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you did deliver to me five talents. Behold, I have gained five talents more.’

21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

22 And the one with the two talents, also having come said, ‘Master, you did deliver to me two talents. Behold, I have gained two talents more.’

23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

24 And the one having received the one talent, having come, also said, ‘Master, I knew you, that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering from where you did not scatter. 25 And having been afraid, having gone away, I hid your talent in the ground. Behold, you have what is yours.’

26 And his master answering, said to him, ‘Wicked and lazy servant! You knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather from where I did not scatter. 27 Therefore it behooved you to put my money to the bankers, and having come, I would have received my own with interest.

28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to the one having the ten talents. 29 For to everyone having will be given, and he will have in abundance. But the one not having, even that which he has will be taken away from him. 30 And cast out the worthless servant, into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 
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parallel Matthew 25:14-30
[and other "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages, and other "cast into outer darkness" passages]

14 For it is like a man going on a journey who called his own servants and delivered his possessing to them. 15 And indeed to one he gave five talents;b and to one, two; and to one, one; to each according to his own ability. And he left the region immediately.

16 The one having received the five talents, having gone, traded with them, and made five more. 17 Likewise, the one with the two gained two more. 18 But the one having received the one talent, having gone away, dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 And after much time, the master of those servants comes and takes account with them. 20 And the one having received the five talents, having come, brought to him five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you did deliver to me five talents. Behold, I have gained five talents more.’

21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

22 And the one with the two talents, also having come said, ‘Master, you did deliver to me two talents. Behold, I have gained two talents more.’

23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

24 And the one having received the one talent, having come, also said, ‘Master, I knew you, that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering from where you did not scatter. 25 And having been afraid, having gone away, I hid your talent in the ground. Behold, you have what is yours.’

26 And his master answering, said to him, ‘Wicked and lazy servant! You knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather from where I did not scatter. 27 Therefore it behooved you to put my money to the bankers, and having come, I would have received my own with interest.

28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to the one having the ten talents. 29 For to everyone having will be given, and he will have in abundance. But the one not having, even that which he has will be taken away from him. 30 And cast out the worthless servant, into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
An awesome pick DW.
 

Jackson123

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End? Good heavens no! Still alive and well today - in the form of the RCC.
If I understand correctly, you believe first beast in rev 13 is RCC, and she start in power in AD 538 and stop in AD 1798, am I correct?
 
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This is not correct though.
Nowhere does the Bible talk of a second coming.
What's your take on this verse?

Hebrews 9:28
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.