You must, undoubtedly, be a new born babe in Christ, and unable to digest the meat of the word. You seem to not comprehend the meaning of the scriptures that I give you. The scriptures do teach that unless a person does not deny their own entelect, the Holy Spirit within them will not reveal to them the truth within the scripture. God does not condemn anyone to hell. By the free will that God gave them to make choices, they choose to not seek after their creator. Psalms 53:2-3.
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you must have the Mirror Image Bible
widely accepted by those who find it convenient for their own foibles and who are willing to do what it takes to feel comfortable without actually comprehending the course before them....it appears to be gaining popularity as people
using it, see themselves rather than Christ
I suppose you would be willing to decry anyone who actually told you the truth since you cannot accept it
you do not have a sword. you have a rusty little dagger that will break if you try to use it
widely accepted by those who find it convenient for their own foibles and who are willing to do what it takes to feel comfortable without actually comprehending the course before them....it appears to be gaining popularity as people
using it, see themselves rather than Christ
I suppose you would be willing to decry anyone who actually told you the truth since you cannot accept it
you do not have a sword. you have a rusty little dagger that will break if you try to use it
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The Judgment
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Matthew 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [e]take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Matthew 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [e]take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
How are we born again? through the means of preaching the word/ gospel unto salvation to anyone that will believe.
It's unbelievable to say be regenerated first but you don't know how whereas the bible is clear. In order for you to be regenerated, you must believe. If you don't, then perhaps, you are still in the natural state of man.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
How are we born again? through the means of preaching the word/ gospel unto salvation to anyone that will believe.
It's unbelievable to say be regenerated first but you don't know how whereas the bible is clear. In order for you to be regenerated, you must believe. If you don't, then perhaps, you are still in the natural state of man.
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the more he posts, the more obscure his beliefs appear to be
perhaps he is the only one who is a member of whatever it is he is a member of
perhaps he is the only one who is a member of whatever it is he is a member of
When I first read that word in an email someone sent me, a dear friend, who decided to vent about someone they encountered at a fan fiction site, I thought, oh excellent, another Edgar fan!
Silly me. I think that is what is afoot here. That which chooses to pose as a reformed TULIP believer but who does not commit as much energy to learning how to best put forth the charade. And that is why the obscurity enters in, and the contradictions, and the avoidance of hard questions, and deflection.
I told my friend it was a sorry thing to read someone had nothing better to do with their life's time than to pretend to be something they're not even skilled enough to pull off at her site. I still believe that.
Sad. Really, really, sad. And such a waste of a life's time that could be spent being genuine. But maybe that's too much work?
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I would suggest so as to inform those who may be seeking to understand Christianity and happen in on this thread due to its protracted nature and topic under discussion, that we provide resources that give the truth about Salvation and so as to refute the falsity that is being promoted by FGC and the oddities in doctrine that are appearing now from garee.
I'll go first. Because I'm bold like that. And because I started this thread. Dear people who may be here seeking answers as to what it means to be a Christian. A simple concise answer first is, it does not mean nor have anything whatever to do with anything that ForestGreenCook argues on behalf of, nor that of garee. There are others but those have been the two most prominent appearing in these last few pages.
Below gives more information as to what our sister, 7, has stated above. More to come. God Bless You.
Question: "What is regeneration according to the Bible?"
Answer: Another word for regeneration is rebirth, related to the biblical phrase “born again.” Our rebirth is distinguished from our first birth, when we were conceived physically and inherited our sin nature. The new birth is a spiritual, holy, and heavenly birth that results in our being made alive spiritually. Man in his natural state is “dead in trespasses and sins” until he is “made alive” (regenerated) by Christ. This happens when he places his faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1).
Regeneration is a radical change. Just as our physical birth resulted in a new individual entering the earthly realm, our spiritual birth results in a new person entering the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:6). After regeneration, we begin to see and hear and seek after divine things; we begin to live a life of faith and holiness. Now Christ is formed in the hearts; now we are partakers of the divine nature, having been made new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17). God, not man, is the source of this transformation (Ephesians 2:1, 8). God’s great love and free gift, His rich grace and abundant mercy, are the cause of the rebirth. The mighty power of God—the power that raised Christ from the dead—is displayed in the regeneration and conversion of sinners (Ephesians 1:19–20).
Regeneration is necessary. Sinful human flesh cannot stand in God’s presence. In His conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus said twice that a man must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 7). Regeneration is not optional, for “flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6). Physical birth fits us for earth; spiritual rebirth fits us for heaven. See Ephesians 2:1; 1 Peter 1:23; John 1:13; 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. Regeneration is part of what God does for us at the moment of salvation, along with sealing (Ephesians 1:14), adoption (Galatians 4:5), reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18–20), etc. Regeneration is God’s making a person spiritually alive, as a result of faith in Jesus Christ. Prior to salvation we were not God’s children (John 1:12–13); rather, we were children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3; Romans 5:18–20). Before salvation, we were degenerate; after salvation we are regenerated. The result of regeneration is peace with God (Romans 5:1), new life (Titus 3:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17), and eternal sonship (John 1:12–13; Galatians 3:26). Regeneration begins the process of sanctification wherein we become the people God intends us to be (Romans 8:28–30).
The only means of regeneration is by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. No amount of good works or keeping of the Law can regenerate the heart. “By works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight” (Romans 3:20). Only Christ offers a cure for the total depravity of the human heart. We don’t need renovation or reformation or reorganization; we need rebirth.
I'll go first. Because I'm bold like that.
And because I started this thread. Dear people who may be here seeking answers as to what it means to be a Christian. A simple concise answer first is, it does not mean nor have anything whatever to do with anything that ForestGreenCook argues on behalf of, nor that of garee. There are others but those have been the two most prominent appearing in these last few pages. Below gives more information as to what our sister, 7, has stated above. More to come. God Bless You.
Question: "What is regeneration according to the Bible?"
Answer: Another word for regeneration is rebirth, related to the biblical phrase “born again.” Our rebirth is distinguished from our first birth, when we were conceived physically and inherited our sin nature. The new birth is a spiritual, holy, and heavenly birth that results in our being made alive spiritually. Man in his natural state is “dead in trespasses and sins” until he is “made alive” (regenerated) by Christ. This happens when he places his faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1).
Regeneration is a radical change. Just as our physical birth resulted in a new individual entering the earthly realm, our spiritual birth results in a new person entering the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:6). After regeneration, we begin to see and hear and seek after divine things; we begin to live a life of faith and holiness. Now Christ is formed in the hearts; now we are partakers of the divine nature, having been made new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17). God, not man, is the source of this transformation (Ephesians 2:1, 8). God’s great love and free gift, His rich grace and abundant mercy, are the cause of the rebirth. The mighty power of God—the power that raised Christ from the dead—is displayed in the regeneration and conversion of sinners (Ephesians 1:19–20).
Regeneration is necessary. Sinful human flesh cannot stand in God’s presence. In His conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus said twice that a man must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 7). Regeneration is not optional, for “flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6). Physical birth fits us for earth; spiritual rebirth fits us for heaven. See Ephesians 2:1; 1 Peter 1:23; John 1:13; 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. Regeneration is part of what God does for us at the moment of salvation, along with sealing (Ephesians 1:14), adoption (Galatians 4:5), reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18–20), etc. Regeneration is God’s making a person spiritually alive, as a result of faith in Jesus Christ. Prior to salvation we were not God’s children (John 1:12–13); rather, we were children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3; Romans 5:18–20). Before salvation, we were degenerate; after salvation we are regenerated. The result of regeneration is peace with God (Romans 5:1), new life (Titus 3:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17), and eternal sonship (John 1:12–13; Galatians 3:26). Regeneration begins the process of sanctification wherein we become the people God intends us to be (Romans 8:28–30).
The only means of regeneration is by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. No amount of good works or keeping of the Law can regenerate the heart. “By works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight” (Romans 3:20). Only Christ offers a cure for the total depravity of the human heart. We don’t need renovation or reformation or reorganization; we need rebirth.
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The devil and his angels maybee, but mankind choose his own condemnation.
Guess what!!! I agree with everything you have quoted under your caption "What is regeneration according to the bible" except for the fact that you give the natural man spiritual faith, that he does not possess until after he has been regenerated. Your statement "Regeneration is God's making a person spiritually alive, AS A RESULT OF FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST". Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. The natural man does not possess spiritual faith until God puts the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within him after he is born spiritually. I am surprised at your knowledge of regeneration, and commend you for it, up to the point of giving the natural man spiritual faith before he is born of the Spirit.
I would suggest so as to inform those who may be seeking to understand Christianity and happen in on this thread due to its protracted nature and topic under discussion, that we provide resources that give the truth about Salvation and so as to refute the falsity that is being promoted by FGC and the oddities in doctrine that are appearing now from garee.
I'll go first. Because I'm bold like that. And because I started this thread. Dear people who may be here seeking answers as to what it means to be a Christian. A simple concise answer first is, it does not mean nor have anything whatever to do with anything that ForestGreenCook argues on behalf of, nor that of garee. There are others but those have been the two most prominent appearing in these last few pages.
Below gives more information as to what our sister, 7, has stated above. More to come. God Bless You.
Question: "What is regeneration according to the Bible?"
Answer: Another word for regeneration is rebirth, related to the biblical phrase “born again.” Our rebirth is distinguished from our first birth, when we were conceived physically and inherited our sin nature. The new birth is a spiritual, holy, and heavenly birth that results in our being made alive spiritually. Man in his natural state is “dead in trespasses and sins” until he is “made alive” (regenerated) by Christ. This happens when he places his faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1).
Regeneration is a radical change. Just as our physical birth resulted in a new individual entering the earthly realm, our spiritual birth results in a new person entering the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:6). After regeneration, we begin to see and hear and seek after divine things; we begin to live a life of faith and holiness. Now Christ is formed in the hearts; now we are partakers of the divine nature, having been made new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17). God, not man, is the source of this transformation (Ephesians 2:1, 8). God’s great love and free gift, His rich grace and abundant mercy, are the cause of the rebirth. The mighty power of God—the power that raised Christ from the dead—is displayed in the regeneration and conversion of sinners (Ephesians 1:19–20).
Regeneration is necessary. Sinful human flesh cannot stand in God’s presence. In His conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus said twice that a man must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 7). Regeneration is not optional, for “flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6). Physical birth fits us for earth; spiritual rebirth fits us for heaven. See Ephesians 2:1; 1 Peter 1:23; John 1:13; 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. Regeneration is part of what God does for us at the moment of salvation, along with sealing (Ephesians 1:14), adoption (Galatians 4:5), reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18–20), etc. Regeneration is God’s making a person spiritually alive, as a result of faith in Jesus Christ. Prior to salvation we were not God’s children (John 1:12–13); rather, we were children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3; Romans 5:18–20). Before salvation, we were degenerate; after salvation we are regenerated. The result of regeneration is peace with God (Romans 5:1), new life (Titus 3:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17), and eternal sonship (John 1:12–13; Galatians 3:26). Regeneration begins the process of sanctification wherein we become the people God intends us to be (Romans 8:28–30).
The only means of regeneration is by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. No amount of good works or keeping of the Law can regenerate the heart. “By works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight” (Romans 3:20). Only Christ offers a cure for the total depravity of the human heart. We don’t need renovation or reformation or reorganization; we need rebirth.
I'll go first. Because I'm bold like that.
And because I started this thread. Dear people who may be here seeking answers as to what it means to be a Christian. A simple concise answer first is, it does not mean nor have anything whatever to do with anything that ForestGreenCook argues on behalf of, nor that of garee. There are others but those have been the two most prominent appearing in these last few pages.Below gives more information as to what our sister, 7, has stated above. More to come. God Bless You.
Question: "What is regeneration according to the Bible?"
Answer: Another word for regeneration is rebirth, related to the biblical phrase “born again.” Our rebirth is distinguished from our first birth, when we were conceived physically and inherited our sin nature. The new birth is a spiritual, holy, and heavenly birth that results in our being made alive spiritually. Man in his natural state is “dead in trespasses and sins” until he is “made alive” (regenerated) by Christ. This happens when he places his faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1).
Regeneration is a radical change. Just as our physical birth resulted in a new individual entering the earthly realm, our spiritual birth results in a new person entering the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:6). After regeneration, we begin to see and hear and seek after divine things; we begin to live a life of faith and holiness. Now Christ is formed in the hearts; now we are partakers of the divine nature, having been made new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17). God, not man, is the source of this transformation (Ephesians 2:1, 8). God’s great love and free gift, His rich grace and abundant mercy, are the cause of the rebirth. The mighty power of God—the power that raised Christ from the dead—is displayed in the regeneration and conversion of sinners (Ephesians 1:19–20).
Regeneration is necessary. Sinful human flesh cannot stand in God’s presence. In His conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus said twice that a man must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 7). Regeneration is not optional, for “flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6). Physical birth fits us for earth; spiritual rebirth fits us for heaven. See Ephesians 2:1; 1 Peter 1:23; John 1:13; 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. Regeneration is part of what God does for us at the moment of salvation, along with sealing (Ephesians 1:14), adoption (Galatians 4:5), reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18–20), etc. Regeneration is God’s making a person spiritually alive, as a result of faith in Jesus Christ. Prior to salvation we were not God’s children (John 1:12–13); rather, we were children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3; Romans 5:18–20). Before salvation, we were degenerate; after salvation we are regenerated. The result of regeneration is peace with God (Romans 5:1), new life (Titus 3:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17), and eternal sonship (John 1:12–13; Galatians 3:26). Regeneration begins the process of sanctification wherein we become the people God intends us to be (Romans 8:28–30).
The only means of regeneration is by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. No amount of good works or keeping of the Law can regenerate the heart. “By works of the law no human being will be justified in [God’s] sight” (Romans 3:20). Only Christ offers a cure for the total depravity of the human heart. We don’t need renovation or reformation or reorganization; we need rebirth.
David was praying that God would not take away his spiritual desire to serve him. Not to take out of him the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Once we are born a child of God, we do not become unborn. A natural baby can not reverse his birth by going back into his mother's womb. Neither can a spiritual babe in Christ.
I was starting to go that rout of thought myself. There are all kinds of pretenders on the Net. The anonymity factor affords a solid mask that guarantees what lives behind it shall not ever be seen. However, they are able to be known when they speak in ways that are not in sync with what they claim to hold in faith. Contradicting ones self, and after many pages in a thread it would not be impossible to do when one is making it up as they go along, using the dodge of , scripture must harmonize, in order to deflect hard questions or those that note contradictions in one's alleged faith system, when their faith system fails to harmonize at the outset with actual scripture, are all repeated cues that lead one to believe we are not encountering a primitive Baptist TULIP defender at all. Rather, we're encountering what I have learned has not a thing to do with dear old Edgar Allen, and that is, "POE".
When I first read that word in an email someone sent me, a dear friend, who decided to vent about someone they encountered at a fan fiction site, I thought, oh excellent, another Edgar fan! Silly me.
I think that is what is afoot here. That which chooses to pose as a reformed TULIP believer but who does not commit as much energy to learning how to best put forth the charade. And that is why the obscurity enters in, and the contradictions, and the avoidance of hard questions, and deflection.
I told my friend it was a sorry thing to read someone had nothing better to do with their life's time than to pretend to be something they're not even skilled enough to pull off at her site. I still believe that.
Sad. Really, really, sad. And such a waste of a life's time that could be spent being genuine. But maybe that's too much work?
When I first read that word in an email someone sent me, a dear friend, who decided to vent about someone they encountered at a fan fiction site, I thought, oh excellent, another Edgar fan!
Silly me.I think that is what is afoot here. That which chooses to pose as a reformed TULIP believer but who does not commit as much energy to learning how to best put forth the charade. And that is why the obscurity enters in, and the contradictions, and the avoidance of hard questions, and deflection.
I told my friend it was a sorry thing to read someone had nothing better to do with their life's time than to pretend to be something they're not even skilled enough to pull off at her site. I still believe that.
Sad. Really, really, sad. And such a waste of a life's time that could be spent being genuine. But maybe that's too much work?
There's one problem , well more than that but I'll address the most obvious, with your claim about the natural man does not possess spiritual faith until God puts the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within him after he is born spiritually. And that would be, when God does all that work upon the one who is a sinner as that natural man and man has no thing to do with this transformation of themselves, why would the natural man need to then have faith afterward? When God has done all the work including imbuing that natural man sinner with His Holy Spirit that, per your understanding and teaching here, enters an unclean vessel, the natural sinner man, before he is born, as you state is the order of things, of the Holy Spirit now indwelling him.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
The Epistle to the Romans chapter 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
If your belief and teaching above comported with scripture, that passage would include what you claim about God's work on the natural man sinner before faith enters into the equation.
17."Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ" The Book of Romans chapter 10
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
The Epistle to the Romans chapter 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
If your belief and teaching above comported with scripture, that passage would include what you claim about God's work on the natural man sinner before faith enters into the equation.
17."Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ" The Book of Romans chapter 10
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If eternal salvation is dependent upon man's acceptance (works) then it is no more by God's grace, and if it is by God's grace, then it is no more by man's works. Eph 2, plainly, explains that the natural man who is dead to the understanding of the things of the Spirit cannot respond to the acceptance of the things of the Spirit. A dead man cannot accept anything until he has been brought to life. Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to man, for man's acceptance. Yes, There is a need for a new, spiritually, born babe to grow in spiritual faith. He is no more just a natural man, with only the faith of man. He is now a spiritual man, who has been given the fruit of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, in which faith is one of those fruits (Gal 5:22-23) As a newborn babe in Christ, he is only able to digest the milk of the word, and has need of being taught through the hearing of the word, and thereby, growing in spiritual faith until he is able to digest the meat of the word. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little. So, yes, there is a need for the natural man, after he has been regenerated, to grow in his spiritual faith. This is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to the new born babes in Christ (lost sheep of the house of Israel) Matt 10:6. Romans 10 portrays this same idea when Paul prays to God that Israel (babes in Christ) might be saved from their lack of knowledge of the gospel, and from going about trying to establish their own righteousness, by their good works, instead of understanding that the gospel tells them the good news, that they have the imputed righteousness of Christ.
That is my point, exactly, When you are in the natural state of man, 1 Cor 2:14, you cannot believe in the things of the Spirit, until you have been regenerated, Eph 2, and are born with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and are then able to discern (believe) the things of the Spirit. The natural man will reject the preaching of the word because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit.
The preaching of the gospel is to be preached to the new born babes in Christ, feeding them the milk of the word, so that they will grow in spiritual faith to the point that they are able to digest the meat of the word. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and are drawn from the breast, For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
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"ForestGreenCook, post: 4122488, member: 272369"]The devil and his angels maybee, but mankind choose his own condemnation.
so this poster denies the actual quote from scripture wherein Jesus Himself states that He will personally send people to their eternal punishment
that, is heretical in its concept and definitely a denial of the truth
I wonder what he will call his cult church?
so this poster denies the actual quote from scripture wherein Jesus Himself states that He will personally send people to their eternal punishment
that, is heretical in its concept and definitely a denial of the truth
I wonder what he will call his cult church?