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superdave5221

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The Federal Reserve Bank is owned wholy by the U.S. Government. This list is merely conspiracy theory. the fact that you build this from pieces from whacko sites doesn't do anything other than reflect on your judgement.
The Federal Reserve Bank is not owned by the U.S. government. That was part of the deception in calling it the "Federal Reserve". The only thing federal about it is that when big banks get into the trouble, because of high risk investments, the U.S. government will often back loans to these institutions, printing money when necessary, taxing hard working American citizens to pay for those bad investments, either directly, or indirectly through inflation.

It is interesting that the same courtesy is not afforded to small banks. They are on their own, in which they are either allowed to fail, or in most cases are taken over by bigger banks or allowed to merge with similar sized banks, creating larger banks. That was the real reason for the Federal Reserve in the first place. To provide financial incentives to the large banks, at the expense of the small ones.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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The Federal Reserve Bank is not owned by the U.S. government. That was part of the deception in calling it the "Federal Reserve". The only thing federal about it is that when big banks get into the trouble, because of high risk investments, the U.S. government will often back loans to these institutions, printing money when necessary, taxing hard working American citizens to pay for those bad investments, either directly, or indirectly through inflation.

It is interesting that the same courtesy is not afforded to small banks. They are on their own, in which they are either allowed to fail, or in most cases are taken over by bigger banks or allowed to merge with similar sized banks, creating larger banks. That was the real reason for the Federal Reserve in the first place. To provide financial incentives to the large banks, at the expense of the small ones.
There is no public stock for the Federal Reserve. The Board of Directors is appointed by the Federal Government. They work under regulations and limitations set by Congress. The money they distribute is printed by the Department of Treasury. They have no profit. The list of banks which can deal with them changes all the time because different banks qualify under the guidelines set.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Whereas I disagree with much of what you said on this thread, I must agree on the evils of the Federal Reserve. When the Fed was first set up, everyone knew that it was a banking cartel, (everyone meaning the insiders), but they were able to get Congress to accept it for the same reason that our Liberal policicians have passed a lot of unconstitutional laws, it is for the good of the people. Unfortunately, the Fed, like most such legislation, is not really for the good of the people. In the Fed's case, it was for the good of the big bankers. A close look at the Fed's track record will show that it was not intended to prevent large scale bank failures, as fed (no pun intended) to Congress and the American people. That track record includes stock market crashes in 1919, 1929, Great Depression 1929-39, recessions in '53, '57, '69, '75, and '81, Black Monday in '87, the current crisis, and more than 1000% inflation over that period.

The originial framers of this legislation included Paul M. Warburg, at the time a partner in Kuhn. Loeb, & Co., and he was also a representative of the Rothschilds and also the Warburg banking consortium. This is interesting. I must look into this further. Thanks for the info.
Be cautious. Cup's view of the Federal Reserve is not from good intent. He will lead you backwards to a place you don't want to go.
 
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thewordwatcher

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How the world crisis was created.

The way in which the latest crisis was created was a very simple one.
All you need to understand is that it is the value of the land that determines whether the economy is good or bad.

  • If the value of the land is high - the economy is bad
  • If the value of land is very low - the economy is great

A lot of info about relation between the land value and poverty is in the book written by Henry George - Progress And Poverty.

How it works.


Let's say, you are on an island with your wife. The more work you do, better off you are. What is missing in this picture?

The land price!

Did you see the movie - "Lost"? The more those people worked, the better their life was. Because the land value was not an issue. No one was paying a mortgage.

In all our history the land value was nearly zero. Of course people had to pay for vineyards or work that was done on the land, like fences, preparation of the field for planting etc.

Land itself was free for thousands of years. People could afford to have big families of even 16! Because of them, we are here today! But today, having 16 kids is absolutely impossible for an average family.
It's actually much worse than that. We are so poor, that population of Europe, North America, Australia, England and many other countries is diminishing at a rapid pace, so governments have to recruit large amounts of immigrants to work! In the last 40 years, Europe lost more than 60 million of its white population.

In not too distant days the price of the land was still nearly zero in most counties around the globe. In the early 90s USA, Australia and Europe had land nearly for free.
In more modern days the whole of Eastern Bloc had free land. It was known as the everlasting land lease from the government, which was free.

Today China still has free land. That's why it is so hard to compete with China.

Eastern Bloc didn't collapse. It was dismantled by its leaders. It was a very efficient system (Like Chinese is today!) and it was dismantled for one purpose only. To create the super rich elite for the NWO!

In the Eastern Bloc all the land and nearly all factories were owned by the government. During existence of socialism (The world had never seen a pure communist government - Eastern Block was a pure socialism .) all people received free education, free medical services, free medicines and free dental care including free dentures.

The best example of such government was in Yugoslavia. Tito was disobedient to orders coming from Moscow and he has made the system fully workable by allowing some private enterprises, similar to what is happening in China today.

People in Yugoslavia had better living conditions than people in USA - they had no debts or mortgages.
What is remarkable - most of the Eastern Bloc' governments had only small debts with the West.
Poland, at that time, had only 10 billion dollars of debt in the western banks. For a nation of nearly 40 million people that was almost nothing!

After switching to the capitalist system, Poland has sold about $500 billions worth of their national assets into private hands. This has created, read carefully - it's not a mistake - more than $200 billions of debt with western banks!

Poland lost 700 billions of dollars!

This money created the super rich Polish elite! No one was ever investigated for participating in this mega fraud!

Only Putin managed to take back the oil companies from some oligarchs in Russia and now the country is the biggest superpower on the planet. Russia has no debts at all.

The crisis in Poland (And other countries of the Warsaw Pact) was artificially created by its own government, which cut the food supplies to major cities.

If You cut the food supply - you will have people demonstrating on the streets the very next day! When Polish government cut the food supplies to the cities it caused Solidarity independent trade union to rise. Only after few years Poles realized that Solidarity Union wasn't independent at all.

Lech Walesa was a government agent
, who's job was to eliminate any chances of prosecution of the communist perpetrators during that regime for crimes they have committed. He was simply a shock absorber.

So far, no one was charged for massive frauds. The same clichés of people are still holding the power today.

Going back to land values. Just after 911 USA Federal Bank has dropped an interest rate to 0. Other banks in England and Europe also has dropped their interest rates.

This has pushed up the land values.

Than the US government let about 22 millions illegal emigrants from Mexico into the country. When you bring in 22 millions of people they need somewhere to to live. The prices of real estate went through the roof.

This has pushed up the land values.

The USA, Europe, England, Australia and New Zealand governments have opened the doors to massive immigration of Muslims. These governments were recruiting people to live in their countries offering them free flights, social security payments and privileges. And they continue to bring them in!

This has pushed up the land values.
All governments gave major and quiet tax
cuts to all high income earners, who invested in real estate. To avoid paying high taxes (up to 50%) business people started investing money in properties.

This has pushed up the land values.

All governments, while brining in immigrants are still restricting releases of land for building new homes.

This has pushed up the land values.


How the price of land is affecting us?

Let's say you are earning $1400.00 p. week after tax - two incomes per family. Rough current average incomes in Australia.

If the cost of land was on zero, your new house would costs:

More plus a couple great but short movies in the link - http://www.zbawienie.com/crisis.htm :D
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

Guest
So do you pay your bills in gold? Or are you using fiat currency? Do you allow people to come to you with the currancy that you have given them and trade it for gold? For you to be honest, you must have dollar for dollar as much gold as needed to honestly redeem ever bit of currancy you have ever used.
Fiat currency is worthless, it is a voucher that pays a debt, its not money, thats an illusion, money is silver and gold. On the 'Federal Reserve Note' - its a private Bank that issues debt at interest the note is 'legal tender' for payment of DEBT, its not Government owned, its not owned by the people, it is a private owned and run cartel, it is an instrument of totalitarian contol, the control lies in the hands of those who own the the right to issue the currency that without no man can buy or sell, without the mark on the paper, the paper is worthless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auQEXTWomA&feature=related

this is a 12 part series. You may want to learn something about the world economic system before you ask questions, you need to ask informed questions, your questions so far to me are childish and poorly resolved because you have no idea what you are talking about, so learn, the information is there by which you can learn.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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How the world crisis was created.

The way in which the latest crisis was created was a very simple one.
All you need to understand is that it is the value of the land that determines whether the economy is good or bad.

  • If the value of the land is high - the economy is bad
  • If the value of land is very low - the economy is great

A lot of info about relation between the land value and poverty is in the book written by Henry George - Progress And Poverty.

How it works.


Let's say, you are on an island with your wife. The more work you do, better off you are. What is missing in this picture?

The land price!

Did you see the movie - "Lost"? The more those people worked, the better their life was. Because the land value was not an issue. No one was paying a mortgage.

In all our history the land value was nearly zero. Of course people had to pay for vineyards or work that was done on the land, like fences, preparation of the field for planting etc.

Land itself was free for thousands of years. People could afford to have big families of even 16! Because of them, we are here today! But today, having 16 kids is absolutely impossible for an average family.
It's actually much worse than that. We are so poor, that population of Europe, North America, Australia, England and many other countries is diminishing at a rapid pace, so governments have to recruit large amounts of immigrants to work! In the last 40 years, Europe lost more than 60 million of its white population.

In not too distant days the price of the land was still nearly zero in most counties around the globe. In the early 90s USA, Australia and Europe had land nearly for free.
In more modern days the whole of Eastern Bloc had free land. It was known as the everlasting land lease from the government, which was free.

Today China still has free land. That's why it is so hard to compete with China.

Eastern Bloc didn't collapse. It was dismantled by its leaders. It was a very efficient system (Like Chinese is today!) and it was dismantled for one purpose only. To create the super rich elite for the NWO!

In the Eastern Bloc all the land and nearly all factories were owned by the government. During existence of socialism (The world had never seen a pure communist government - Eastern Block was a pure socialism .) all people received free education, free medical services, free medicines and free dental care including free dentures.

The best example of such government was in Yugoslavia. Tito was disobedient to orders coming from Moscow and he has made the system fully workable by allowing some private enterprises, similar to what is happening in China today.

People in Yugoslavia had better living conditions than people in USA - they had no debts or mortgages.
What is remarkable - most of the Eastern Bloc' governments had only small debts with the West.
Poland, at that time, had only 10 billion dollars of debt in the western banks. For a nation of nearly 40 million people that was almost nothing!

After switching to the capitalist system, Poland has sold about $500 billions worth of their national assets into private hands. This has created, read carefully - it's not a mistake - more than $200 billions of debt with western banks!

Poland lost 700 billions of dollars!

This money created the super rich Polish elite! No one was ever investigated for participating in this mega fraud!

Only Putin managed to take back the oil companies from some oligarchs in Russia and now the country is the biggest superpower on the planet. Russia has no debts at all.

The crisis in Poland (And other countries of the Warsaw Pact) was artificially created by its own government, which cut the food supplies to major cities.

If You cut the food supply - you will have people demonstrating on the streets the very next day! When Polish government cut the food supplies to the cities it caused Solidarity independent trade union to rise. Only after few years Poles realized that Solidarity Union wasn't independent at all.

Lech Walesa was a government agent
, who's job was to eliminate any chances of prosecution of the communist perpetrators during that regime for crimes they have committed. He was simply a shock absorber.

So far, no one was charged for massive frauds. The same clichés of people are still holding the power today.

Going back to land values. Just after 911 USA Federal Bank has dropped an interest rate to 0. Other banks in England and Europe also has dropped their interest rates.

This has pushed up the land values.

Than the US government let about 22 millions illegal emigrants from Mexico into the country. When you bring in 22 millions of people they need somewhere to to live. The prices of real estate went through the roof.

This has pushed up the land values.

The USA, Europe, England, Australia and New Zealand governments have opened the doors to massive immigration of Muslims. These governments were recruiting people to live in their countries offering them free flights, social security payments and privileges. And they continue to bring them in!

This has pushed up the land values.
All governments gave major and quiet tax
cuts to all high income earners, who invested in real estate. To avoid paying high taxes (up to 50%) business people started investing money in properties.

This has pushed up the land values.

All governments, while brining in immigrants are still restricting releases of land for building new homes.

This has pushed up the land values.


How the price of land is affecting us?

Let's say you are earning $1400.00 p. week after tax - two incomes per family. Rough current average incomes in Australia.

If the cost of land was on zero, your new house would costs:

More plus a couple great but short movies in the link - http://www.zbawienie.com/crisis.htm :D
Ahahaha, no wonder you've got loonie ideas. You're a blind socialist eating up propaganda like candy!
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
Fiat currency is worthless, it is a voucher that pays a debt, its not money, thats an illusion, money is silver and gold. On the 'Federal Reserve Note' - its a private Bank that issues debt at interest the note is 'legal tender' for payment of DEBT, its not Government owned, its not owned by the people, it is a private owned and run cartel, it is an instrument of totalitarian contol, the control lies in the hands of those who own the the right to issue the currency that without no man can buy or sell, without the mark on the paper, the paper is worthless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auQEXTWomA&feature=related

this is a 12 part series. You may want to learn something about the world economic system before you ask questions, you need to ask informed questions, your questions so far to me are childish and poorly resolved because you have no idea what you are talking about, so learn, the information is there by which you can learn.
Do you pay your bills in gold? If not, you are part of that system....
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

Guest
Do you pay your bills in gold? If not, you are part of that system....
I can pay in the form the issuer of the debt requires the basis of which is silver and gold, I don't issue debt, I pay in silver and gold, the fiat that someone chooses is their choice of payment, but I myself am paying in silver and gold, do you understand?
 
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thewordwatcher

Guest
NUHEN

Ahahaha, no wonder you've got loonie ideas. You're a blind socialist eating up propaganda like candy!
So far you are vigorously supporting usury, Kaballah, Satan monetary usury system. You do support Synagogue of Satan. So... who you are?

An Israeli agent supporting all luciferian crazy ideas and NWO?



 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
I can pay in the form the issuer of the debt requires the basis of which is silver and gold, I don't issue debt, I pay in silver and gold, the fiat that someone chooses is their choice of payment, but I myself am paying in silver and gold, do you understand?
Absolutely not. Let's take a specific. I'm your landlord. You owe me rent. You come to pay me. What do you give me?
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
NUHEN

So far you are vigorously supporting usury, Kaballah, Satan monetary usury system. You do support Synagogue of Satan. So... who you are?

An Israeli agent supporting all luciferian crazy ideas and NWO?



Actually he is an extraterrestrial scoping out our internet to find out our weaknesses for potential invasion. I can prove it because his name is Canisian for spy. You can find out all about it at www.ihavebeenvisited.com.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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NUHEN

So far you are vigorously supporting usury, Kaballah, Satan monetary usury system. You do support Synagogue of Satan. So... who you are?

An Israeli agent supporting all luciferian crazy ideas and NWO?



Well, I'm not an Israeli (though I certainly wish I was!), I'm not into Satan, but I DO support a New World Order - G-d's, which is coming at the End of Time.
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
What would you like to be paid in?
Even if I ask for currancy, you know that is worthless, so if you pay me in currancy, you have just committed fraud. Do you pay your bills in gold? No. then if you truly believe what you are saying then you are using a fraudulent means to pay for a legitimate debt.
 
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Harley_Angel

Guest
*points* I like you. Harley, how do you feel about ruling the world? :p
Meh, I'd rather poke it with a spoon than rule it. Ruling doesn't leave much free time and I need 9 hours of sleep otherwise Im worthless. Lol
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
NUHEN

So far you are vigorously supporting usury, Kaballah, Satan monetary usury system. You do support Synagogue of Satan. So... who you are?

An Israeli agent supporting all luciferian crazy ideas and NWO?



For you I feel sorry. I think you are sincere and I think you are frightened. I hope someday you find the peace you ought to have in Christ.