4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

[Gregoryp]

Why did I even click on this stupid thread?
I should have known better.

when a group of Christians get together , In real life or social media, he will attack, divide and cause unrest. This way instead of us focusing on the lord, we are sitting here arguing with demons. Ignore them and move on.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

when a group of Christians get together , In real life or social media, he will attack, divide and cause unrest. This way instead of us focusing on the lord, we are sitting here arguing with demons. Ignore them and move on.

You clicked on this thread so that you might post and get a reaction to your post drawing you even more to this thread being curious as to who might have responded to your post.😗🙂

 

[Gregoryp]

You clicked on this thread so that you might post and get a reaction to your post drawing you even more to this thread being curious as to who might have responded to your post.😗🙂

Demons

 

[Jackson123]

Quite obviously you do not really understand the Gospel, nor the grace of God, nor the finished work of Christ, nor God's plan of salvation.

Obedience to Christ is indeed necessary for all Christians. But that is not for maintaining one's salvation, but for working out one's salvation.

What is the different between maintaining salvation and working out salvation.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Demons

😶 chuckle. Yep.

 

[Whispered]

All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV
“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

You are now righteous

“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living …
So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous.
He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually)
… In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)

“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life
… pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

You are now holy

“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor.
… God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live
by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do,
just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ”
(1 Peter 1:14-15)

You have been saved and you can never lose your salvation

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded
is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death),
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved,
he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who
love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown,
brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)
Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.”

I'm reading these passages from God's word and trying to consolidate that with your thread title. You're saying all this is lies of Satan then?
Those four headers with the accompanying scriptures are lies of Satan?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What is the different between maintaining salvation and working out salvation.

They are both describing salvation from man’s view nevertheless faith Is still the main thing.
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You clicked on this thread so that you might post and get a reaction to your post drawing you even more to this thread being curious as to who might have responded to your post.😗🙂

😕I’m sorry Gregory’s I responded to your post #205 when I meant to respond to lightskin’s post 198.
Please forgive me.

 

[Whispered]

Question, after all so many pages. Is BCSenior still a member so as to reply to any posts directed at them concerning their OP?
I saw that it has been awhile since they've been on the forum and their profile is not available to view so as to find other posts.

Are we now debating among ourselves what is a very odd original post that attempts to in my view blaspheme the holy words of God?
All those attributes in the OP, with the scriptures added, are the lies of Satan?
It is as if BC intended to say those passages cited are from Satan. Which would mean, as I read it, Satan was part of writing the Bible?

 

[Whispered]

The Earth is not flat. But neither is it a spinning globe where we live on the outside

The Earth is concave, okay??!! It is immovable!! There are no planets, galaxies & universe!!

We walk on the inside of the globe. The rectilineator experiment proves this:

See here :

& here :

Mmmmkay..... TQ & God bless

Phew, what a relief from the flat earth theorists. Concave. That's a new one I admit. So when it is spinning we're all being slammed against the curvature of the concavity. That explains those with migraines.

Ah, what fun.

 

[Jackson123]

They are both describing salvation from man’s view nevertheless faith Is still the main thing.
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Yep. Salvation is by faith, but when talk about obidience, we have to consider that obidience is part of faith.

Faith mean we believe in Jesus, not only as a God, but also believe in all His teaching.

We can not say we have faith in Jesus when we do not believe His teaching.

His teaching is to love God, and love other, and love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

We can not produce love, all we can do is abide in Him than we will bear love. All the glory is for Him that produce love, not us, we only bear love

John 15

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

 

[wattie]

If you have had sin forgiven and you can't be perfect.. how does then sin undo eternal salvation?

The Holy Spirit will convict and rebuke a born again person ... but not no longer forgive them.


Forgiveness undoes the power of sin over our lives. If Jesus doesn't forgive future sins .. we aren't freed to even flee from sin!


How about John 3:16?

John 10:28?


Romans chapter 10?

Everlasting life begins at being born again.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yep. Salvation is by faith, but when talk about obidience, we have to consider that obidience is part of faith.

Faith mean we believe in Jesus, not only as a God, but also believe in all His teaching.

We can not say we have faith in Jesus when we do not believe His teaching.

His teaching is to love God, and love other, and love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

We can not produce love, all we can do is abide in Him than we will bear love. All the glory is for Him that produce love, not us, we only bear love

John 15

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Yes salvation Is by grace through faith

 

[Jackson123]

Yes salvation Is by grace through faith

Yep, by grace through faith, mean you have to have faith.

If it only by grace without faith, than you do not need to believe in Jesus, ok to hate Jesus because not through faith

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yep, by grace through faith, mean you have to have faith.

If it only by grace without faith, than you do not need to believe in Jesus, ok to hate Jesus because not through faith

When I said Grace through faith I meant the faith that GOD gives you.The faith that GOD gives you Is fruit of the Spirit which man that hasn't been reborn does not have but nevertheless GOD put In every human the knowledge to know their Is a GOD,the creation Itself declares to any human being with a conscience that someone greater than me created all this that I can see,touch hear,smell and feel.This Is what some call faith but It's a human faith(so to speak)and because of this knowledge that their Is GOD a person doesn't have an excuse for not believing In GOD.

 

[Jackson123]

When I said Grace through faith I meant the faith that GOD gives you.The faith that GOD gives you Is fruit of the Spirit which man that hasn't been reborn does not have but nevertheless GOD put In every human the knowledge to know their Is a GOD,the creation Itself declares to any human being with a conscience that someone greater than me created all this that I can see,touch hear,smell and feel.This Is what some call faith but It's a human faith(so to speak)and because of this knowledge that their Is GOD a person doesn't have an excuse for not believing In GOD.

To my knowledge the fruit of the spirit is

Galatians 5:22-23 New International Version (NIV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Seem to me you believe faith and knowledge of God is 2 different object.

In other word know that there is a God do not mean have a faith to god.

Know that Jesus is God do not mean have a faith in Jesus or save. Like Satan, know that Jesus is God but do not have faith in Jesus.

I believe if you have faith in Jesus, than Jesus dwell in you, than you bear fruit, and as Galatians say the fruit will be love, peace, kindness goodness etc

One of well known Indonesian preacher tell the story. He took a bus from aceh to Medan. The bus stop at a restaurant and the driver said be careful, this is christian area.

You may wonder why?

Because that area is known with puckpokcketing area.

Is christian identic with pickpocket?

I believe we as Christian not perfect, but I do not know if Christian have pickpocketing hobby.

Pickpocket is so popular in that area, you may never heard a preacher in America preach about not to pickpocketing. But one time I heard preacher from that area preach in my church to warn that Christian not to be pickpocket man.

My point is though we not perfect, but as a man of faith, we show little fruit.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

To my knowledge the fruit of the spirit is

Galatians 5:22-23 New International Version (NIV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Seem to me you believe faith and knowledge of God is 2 different object.

In other word know that there is a God do not mean have a faith to god.

Know that Jesus is God do not mean have a faith in Jesus or save. Like Satan, know that Jesus is God but do not have faith in Jesus.

I believe if you have faith in Jesus, than Jesus dwell in you, than you bear fruit, and as Galatians say the fruit will be love, peace, kindness goodness etc

One of well known Indonesian preacher tell the story. He took a bus from aceh to Medan. The bus stop at a restaurant and the driver said be careful, this is christian area.

You may wonder why?

Because that area is known with puckpokcketing area.

Is christian identic with pickpocket?

I believe we as Christian not perfect, but I do not know if Christian have pickpocketing hobby.

Pickpocket is so popular in that area, you may never heard a preacher in America preach about not to pickpocketing. But one time I heard preacher from that area preach in my church to warn that Christian not to be pickpocket man.

My point is though we not perfect, but as a man of faith, we show little fruit.

Yes I believe that faith and knowledge are different although GOD gives them both EVERY human being saved or not saved has knowledge that there Is a GOD the creation Itself declares.

Faith Is the vehicle that Is used to take you to salvation.

Let me use an example so that you understand me better.

There Is a chair In the middle of the room and someone says sit In that chair a person would look at the chair feel the chair ect ...before they sat In that chair.
Now what If the chair was shaky and looked like It wouldn’t hold you but someone said the chair will not fall apart and you will be ok If you sit there.
believing without seeing Is faith.
Believing because you have seen Is not faith.

Knowledge or human faith what can be seen tasted heard smelt or felt every human being has that and every human being knows that they didn’t one day just be here

 

[Jackson123]

Yes I believe that faith and knowledge are different although GOD gives them both EVERY human being saved or not saved has knowledge that there Is a GOD the creation Itself declares.

Faith Is the vehicle that Is used to take you to salvation.

Let me use an example so that you understand me better.

There Is a chair In the middle of the room and someone says sit In that chair a person would look at the chair feel the chair ect ...before they sat In that chair.
Now what If the chair was shaky and looked like It wouldn’t hold you but someone said the chair will not fall apart and you will be ok If you sit there.
believing without seeing Is faith.
Believing because you have seen Is not faith.

Knowledge or human faith what can be seen tasted heard smelt or felt every human being has that and every human being knows that they didn’t one day just be here

I understand what you mean by faith. But some people like in the area that I told you. They misunderstood the fact that salvation by faith mean ok to pickpocketing.

Because salvation not by work, than pickpocketing is ok and not make you lose your salvation. That kind of believe create another misunderstanding and make some Muslim believe that Christian enchourage criminal.

And I believe that is wrong. When you have faith in Jesus, Jesus in you will help you to bear the fruit, and pickpocketing is not the fruit of the Holy Spirit