Do you stand with Israel?

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Jon49522

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I stand with God. A UN sanctioned nation with a tiny portion of the world's population of Judeans is rather overrated in my humble.opinion.

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All of God's covenants are conditional and Abraham OBEYED GOD, unlike Israel and Judah. Jesus will rule over the NEW Jerusalem that comes from Heaven and it encompassed the entire globe. There is no promised land for the unsaved.
UH, no, the New Jerusalem does not encompass the entire globe. It is roughly 1500 miles wide as it is long as it is tall.
 
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AnandaHya

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THe NEW Jerusalem doesn't come down out of Heaven until the OLD heaven and Earth are destroyed and the unsaved are thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
 
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enochson

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This makes no sense.


The promise had nothing to do with new jerusalem. It spoke of ALL the land of canaan. Does it still exist today? I thought so, thus the covenant is still valid.



God id not say if you do this, I will give you this land. He said I WILL GIVE YOU THIS LAND.

A conditional covenant is made by two parties, if you do this, I will do that. A non conditions=al covenant is made by one party. I WILL. If God goes back on his promise, he lied.



We are not talking about that covenant. That covenant was given to the whole world.




The land was not promised to you, unless you are a descendant of abraham by blood. Thus ut is of no use.

To say the least. your being one sided and not looking at the whole picture.
sorry but you are out to lunch and you understand very little of what's going on with the events God brought to past. It's plan to see from your first answer "that doesn't make sense" How true because if you can't understand the simplest thing how could you see the rest of the plan.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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sorry but you are out to lunch and you understand very little of what's going on with the events God brought to past. It's plan to see from your first answer "that doesn't make sense" How true because if you can't understand the simplest thing how could you see the rest of the plan.
Wow. and can you show me where I messed up? Or are you just going to attack me?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Heb. 12 you can't come to something that hasn't come. It's right in front of your face.
Wow. I agree totally with Hebrews 12. It shows how we have faith. How those are his children are disciplined. etc etc. And even how we have come to the spiritual jerusalem. That was never the question. One part of Abrahams covenant was that through him all the nations (jew and gentile) would be blessed (have the ability to be saved) It has never been jew or gentile, this is where the jews got it messed up. They took the second part (given only to national Isreal) and the first part (all the world) and combined them.

Thats why Paul and others had to push the Issue that it is not jew or Gentile, we are all one, and have the same covenant under the same prince. Jesus

Looks like your doing the same. And Gods prophesies concerning natural Israel will come, whether you believe it or not. It is happening before our very eyes.
 
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EG my friend, you're wasting your proverbial breath. Some of these people on here just choose to ignore the clear message of scripture of YHVH's covenant with Israel. For whatever reason they are willfully blind to it. They ignore all endtime prophecy about Israel, not to mention that the New Jerusalem has the name of the 12 tribes of Israel on it, instead of the name of there church. You would have a better result preaching this to a wall.
What they don't realise is their speaking against YHVH's covenant with Israel, and it will bring judgement on their head. They don't truly study the OT, therefore they don't have a clue as to what Israel really means to YHVH. They think with the mind of man, assuming Yah's mind must be the same.
They don't know that when they speak against Israel this way, and they are when they are making declarations that YHVH is done with Israel, they are cursing Israel, and YHVH said "I will curse them who curse you."
Any ways my friend, they don't have ears to hear, and so just wanted to say you're beating a dead horse. lol. It's unfortunate, but some must learn things the hard way.
Actually, the Zionist Agenda for world domination is well underway toward its culmination during the Eschaton.

Problem is, the modern Ashkenazics are predominantly Japhethitic rather than Semitic according to their devious claims to secure the Palestinian state of Israel through coercion while manipulating the nations involved in WW1 and WW2, and all nations going forward during this treacherous time.

Modern sciences, economics, politics, and social and cultural and religious systems are being subtly undermined and coallesced into the One World regime by the spirit of antichrist, which is driving the mystical forces through Mystery Babylon of Talmudic Pharasaic Judaism (which isn't OT Judaism).

The sham of the land covenant is that those claiming it aren't those to whom it was given by God. They're not the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from the bloodline of Shem. They're ancient Assyrians (modern Turks) from the bloodline of Japheth who embraced shamanist occultism of Babylon and influenced a hybridization of mystical oral traditions that tainted and supplanted original Judaism.

The leaven of the (literal, actual, modern) Pharisees; the Synagogue of Satan. Zionism, whose Evangelical influence is Dispensationalism. Communitarianism.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Actually, the Zionist Agenda for world domination is well underway toward its culmination during the Eschaton.

Problem is, the modern Ashkenazics are predominantly Japhethitic rather than Semitic according to their devious claims to secure the Palestinian state of Israel through coercion while manipulating the nations involved in WW1 and WW2, and all nations going forward during this treacherous time.

Modern sciences, economics, politics, and social and cultural and religious systems are being subtly undermined and coallesced into the One World regime by the spirit of antichrist, which is driving the mystical forces through Mystery Babylon of Talmudic Pharasaic Judaism (which isn't OT Judaism).

The sham of the land covenant is that those claiming it aren't those to whom it was given by God. They're not the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from the bloodline of Shem. They're ancient Assyrians (modern Turks) from the bloodline of Japheth who embraced shamanist occultism of Babylon and influenced a hybridization of mystical oral traditions that tainted and supplanted original Judaism.

The leaven of the (literal, actual, modern) Pharisees; the Synagogue of Satan. Zionism, whose Evangelical influence is Dispensationalism. Communitarianism.
This in NO way says God will not keep his covenant with them. Even if these people are not them as you say. Scripture says God will restore the 12 tribes.

so I still don't get why people want to deny it, or say it is a bad thing. If these people are not literal jews, as you say, then they will not get or take anything.
 
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Actually, the Zionist Agenda for world domination is well underway toward its culmination during the Eschaton.Says who, you?

Problem is, the modern Ashkenazics are predominantly Japhethitic rather than Semitic according to their devious claims to secure the Palestinian state of Israel through coercion while manipulating the nations involved in WW1 and WW2, and all nations going forward during this treacherous time.Proof? Or just listening to bogus hype media?

Modern sciences, economics, politics, and social and cultural and religious systems are being subtly undermined and coallesced into the One World regime by the spirit of antichrist,That's because the Bible says so.

which is driving the mystical forces through Mystery Babylon of Talmudic Pharasaic Judaism (which isn't OT Judaism).Talmud has nothing to do with mystery babylon

The sham of the land covenant is that those claiming it aren't those to whom it was given by God.So I've heard people claim who are anti-semitic, yet can't prove it.

They're not the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from the bloodline of Shem.Again, more speculation, for some deep seeded reason to claim so.

They're ancient Assyrians (modern Turks) from the bloodline of Japheth who embraced shamanist occultism of Babylon and influenced a hybridization of mystical oral traditions that tainted and supplanted original Judaism.Such is the proverbial picture of a few rotten apples mixed in the bunch.

The leaven of the (literal, actual, modern) Pharisees; the Synagogue of Satan. Zionism, whose Evangelical influence is Dispensationalism. Communitarianism.
My question to you would be, what's your point?
 

Grandpa

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My question to you would be, what's your point?

Revelation 2:8-9
8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
 
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Revelation 2:8-9
8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Yep. Smoke and mirrors, bait and switch; then call anyone who exposes the deceit "anti-Semitic" and/or "Conspiracy Theorist".

Hiya, Grandpa. Hope you're doubly blessed in all things.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Revelation 2:8-9
8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
this might be relevant...if the ashkenazic branch of the jewish nation -had actually existed in first century smyrna- :rolleyes:

your interpretation is anachronistic
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Yep. Smoke and mirrors, bait and switch; then call anyone who exposes the deceit "anti-Semitic" and/or "Conspiracy Theorist".

Hiya, Grandpa. Hope you're doubly blessed in all things.
'anti zionism' -is- anti semitism...

how can i tell? it is obvious because 'anti zionism' denies only -one- ethnic group the right to establish an independent state in their ethnic homeland
 
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'anti zionism' -is- anti semitism...

how can i tell? it is obvious because 'anti zionism' denies only -one- ethnic group the right to establish an independent state in their ethnic homeland
I'm well aware of this myopic view on the subject. That's the whole point, really.

And I haven't denied anybody anything; nor do I propose anything against or on behalf of the inhabitants of the modern Palestinian state.
 
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To reveal the truth about strong delusion to those who want to know it.
The problem is you're not revealing truth, you're spreading lies. So you're just adding to the delusion of your own mind, and anti-semetism
 
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The problem is you're not revealing truth, you're spreading lies. So you're just adding to the delusion of your own mind, and anti-semetism
I'm well aware of this myopic view on the subject.
 

Grandpa

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Yep. Smoke and mirrors, bait and switch; then call anyone who exposes the deceit "anti-Semitic" and/or "Conspiracy Theorist".

Hiya, Grandpa. Hope you're doubly blessed in all things.

Hey PPS. The Lord Jesus Bless You.
 
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peterT

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UH, no, the New Jerusalem does not encompass the entire globe. It is roughly 1500 miles wide as it is long as it is tall.
Hi Avinu.
I was thinking about that New Jerusalem 1500 miles high and wide.

That would make it a pyramid shape or a square box shape with twelve pearly gates :cool: