50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

[BenjaminN]

In my fathers house are many mansions,I go to prepare a place for you that where i am you may be also.

Vividly pictured.

Concerning Gods kingdom NOT BEING IN HEAVEN.

You postribs are needing a award for most bizarre reframing of the bible.

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
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Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
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Matthew 13:31
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
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Matthew 13:33
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
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Matthew 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
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Matthew 13:45
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
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Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
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Matthew 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
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Matthew 14:19
And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to ....


Heb 1
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Ahem
Enthroned...in heaven.
Kingdom of God
Kingdom of heaven
Right now in heaven

Right now also SPIRITUALLY AND FIGURATIVELY ON THIS PLANET IN US. WE ARE THE TEMPLE.

Future in both the mil and forever in the new Jerusalem


Very basic. No extra charge

Pretrib rapture only ,embraces all truth. We need no reframing.

Let your Kingdom come.... on earth as it is in Heaven...

Believers' bodiless souls go with Jesus in His glorified body to Heaven (to His Father's Mansion where He prepared a place for their bodiless souls), awaiting their resurrection to earth with those still alive that gets transfigured into their glorified bodies. All these believers are raptured to the clouds with Messiah coming down in his glorified Body from heaven, to conquer earth for His Kingdom here on earth for a thousand years, before God the Father comes with the new Heaven and new earth and the damnation of the lost souls.

 

[Absolutely]

Are you sometimes wrong... what are you going to do when the tribulation starts under the false messiah... and the possibility that the rapture is after the tribulation has realised... Pretribbers please share.

we all know the ac is coming

The ones going in the pretrib rapture are loving on Jesus. Looking for Jesus.
The very thing you worry about (our not being ready in mental preparation for a fake Jesus) is opposite the bible.

The bible teaches one preparation. Mat 25 reveals that preparation

Ironically those left behind were in the doctrine of imminancy. They understood that part correctly. But still left behind due to a missing component...."oil"

Got oil and imminancy?

Good....you are rapture ready.

The guy on the white horse with a bow is INDIRECT. A false target

 

[Absolutely]

Let your Kingdom come.... on earth as it is in Heaven...

Believers' bodiless souls go with Jesus in His glorified body to Heaven (to His Father's Mansion where He prepared a place for their bodiless souls), awaiting their resurrection to earth with those still alive that gets transfigured into their glorified bodies. All these believers are raptured to the clouds with Messiah coming down in his glorified Body from heaven, to conquer earth for His Kingdom here on earth for a thousand years, before God the Father comes with the new Heaven and new earth and the damnation of the lost souls.

Last supper dialog.
I am only a reporter.
Sad that the scriptures do not register.

Look at your omissions needed to promote what you cleverly craft into a doctrine

But as appalling as that is to say there is no throne or kingdom in heaven is DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

The red flag for you is you do not even flinch at reframing Gods property
( his throne, kingdom , rulership, and subjects worshipping him in heaven right now in his kingdom
....in heaven)

That is heresy.

Forcing yourself into heresy.

My job is direct and indirect as a reporter.

Indirectly i force postribbers to say the bible is a lie.

 

[BenjaminN]

The bible teaches one preparation. Mat 25 reveals that preparation

Ironically those left behind were in the doctrine of imminancy. They understood that part correctly. But still left behind due to a missing component...."oil"

Got oil and imminancy?

Good....you are rapture ready.

The guy on the white horse with a bow is INDIRECT. A false target

Search in the BBB Bible on Biblehub.com only renders 7 Old Testament verses....

 

[Hakawaka]

The strange thing is that pretribbers wants to convince that Messiah is speaking to Jewish Christians only, and not to Gentile Christians towards the end of Matthew 24, but pretribbers says Messiah speaks to Gentile Christian believers in Matthew 25... The pretrib doctrine dumbfounds posttribbers that would like to look at God's Word holistically...

The goal posts are always moved to fit the doctrine, usually not a good sign.

 

[Absolutely]

Let your Kingdom come.... on earth as it is in Heaven...

Believers' bodiless souls go with Jesus in His glorified body to Heaven (to His Father's Mansion where He prepared a place for their bodiless souls), awaiting their resurrection to earth with those still alive that gets transfigured into their glorified bodies. All these believers are raptured to the clouds with Messiah coming down in his glorified Body from heaven, to conquer earth for His Kingdom here on earth for a thousand years, before God the Father comes with the new Heaven and new earth and the damnation of the lost souls.

"""All these believers are raptured to the clouds with Messiah coming down in his glorified Body from heaven, to conquer earth for His....."""

You starting place is what i quoted from your post.

Totally wrong.

Debunked righteously

Shown completely false

Either jettison false doctrine or continue to get your plow cleaned by anyone that knows your partial bible is getting exposed big time.

 

[BenjaminN]

Last supper dialog.
I am only a reporter.
Sad that the scriptures do not register.

Look at your omissions needed to promote what you cleverly craft into a doctrine

But as appalling as that is to say there is no throne or kingdom in heaven is DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

The red flag for you is you do not even flinch at reframing Gods property
( his throne, kingdom , rulership, and subjects worshipping him in heaven right now in his kingdom
....in heaven)

That is heresy.

Forcing yourself into heresy.

My job is direct and indirect as a reporter.

Indirectly i force postribbers to say the bible is a lie.

God the Father's Home is in Heaven, where His Son in bodily form, Jesus Christ sits at His right hand. There are no human bodies in heaven, only the souls of the believing humans who has passed on. (Jesus prepared their soul's place for them in His Father's Mansion, as well as for the believer crucified next to Him, that would see Paradise the same day they died) Those souls returns with Messiah to earth when He establishes His Millennial Kingdom here on earth and they are resurrected into their bodily forms for Messiah's Millennial Kingdom.

1 Thessalonians 4 (NKJV)

13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Absolutely]

Search in the BBB Bible on Biblehub.com only renders 7 Old Testament verses....

Nothing in that dynamic proves anything for helping your false starting place and omissions

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Search in the BBB Bible on Biblehub.com only renders 7 Old Testament verses....

Check out, at this link... hover your cursor over the number [Strong's G]3062 loipoi to see its definition/usage:

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/5-6.htm [second in that listing, as you hover cursor]




[...if I understood your point correctly]

 

[Absolutely]

God the Father's Home is in Heaven, where His Son in bodily form, Jesus Christ sits at His right hand. There are no human bodies in heaven, only the souls of the believing humans who has passed on. Those souls returns with Messiah to earth when He establishes His Millennial Kingdom here on earth and they are resurrected into their bodily forms for Messiah's Millennial Kingdom.

1 Thessalonians 4 (NKJV0

13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Heaven has a throne
Two are occupying.

Trying to disprove that are we?

Trying to say there is no population being ruled in heaven?

Pure baloney

 

[Absolutely]

God the Father's Home is in Heaven, where His Son in bodily form, Jesus Christ sits at His right hand. There are no human bodies in heaven, only the souls of the believing humans who has passed on. (Jesus prepared their soul's place for them in His Father's Mansion) Those souls returns with Messiah to earth when He establishes His Millennial Kingdom here on earth and they are resurrected into their bodily forms for Messiah's Millennial Kingdom.

1 Thessalonians 4 (NKJV)

13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

you just pointed out a debunked postrib rapture.

You just totally debunked you own made up doctrine!

You said " Jesus brings the dead back with him"
In the verses you posted.

Rev 19 has those dead already risen drinking wine in heaven DURING THE GT

 

[BenjaminN]

Check out, at this link... hover your cursor over the number [Strong's G]3062 loipoi to see its definition/usage:

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/5-6.htm [second in that listing, as you hover cursor]




[...if I understood your point correctly]

The rapture happened in 1 Thess 4:16-18 with the bodily return of Messiah to the clouds, immediately following the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). You quote 1 Thess 5:6 after the post-tribulation rapture, are you a post-tribber secretely? Those remaining ("left behind" as you so dearly want to quote a very disinforming Holywood movie) following the rapture post of the tribulation, will be conquered by Messiah, who starts His Millennial Kingdom immediately after the great tribulation.

 

[BenjaminN]

Heaven has a throne
Two are occupying.

Trying to disprove that are we?

Trying to say there is no population being ruled in heaven?

Pure baloney

The angels are in bodily form. Dead believing humans are there in the form of their souls not BODIES currently (awaiting their resurrection at the Second Coming of Messiah). It is Paradise for the dead believing human souls, and they worship God with the angels.

1 Thessalonians 4 (NKJV)

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The strange thing is that pretribbers wants to convince that Messiah is speaking to Jewish Christians only, and not to Gentile Christians towards the end of Matthew 24, but pretribbers says Messiah speaks to Gentile Christian believers in Matthew 25...

No. I'm continually pointing out how the believing remnant of Israel is who will be the ones DOING the "INVITING" (TO the wedding FEAST/SUPPER=the earthly MK age) OF the Gentiles (by means of the Matt24:14 / 26:13 msg [etc]), and that the RESULTS of this "preached in all the world for a witness UNTO ALL THE NATIONS [PLURAL]" (DURING those 7 yrs) is what is shown in Matt25:31-34 and context (Sheep and goats... of the NATIONS [PLURAL], at the end), as well as Rev7:9-end (re: the "a great multitude... of ALL THE NATIONS [PLURAL]"), etc... So obviously they will both be existing on the earth DURING those 7 yrs, i.e. everyone existing on the earth DURING those 7 yrs will experience the same "tribulation period" (with its "man of sin, " judgments unfolding, etc etc); that is, Jews/Israel AND Gentiles, see... So how is it that you are thinking only the Jews are affected during the Trib yrs?? (or that this is what we pre-tribbers are suggesting??)

 

[Absolutely]

The rapture happened in 1 Thess 4:16-18 with the bodily return of Messiah to the clouds, immediately following the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). You quote 1 Thess 5:6 after the post-tribulation rapture, are you a post-tribber secretely? Those remaining ("left behind" as you so dearly want to quote a very disinforming Holywood movie) following the rapture post of the tribulation, will be conquered by Messiah, who starts His Millennial Kingdom immediately after the great tribulation.

There is nowhere in the bible that points to a postrib rapture.

Look at my challenge to postribs that try to post a postrib rapture verse

Yet you guys just assume it.
Then try and reframe the bible from that failed position.

JESUS SAID the OPPOSITE of your made up deal.

Bizarre

 

[Absolutely]

The angels are in bodily form. Dead believing humans are there in the form of their souls not BODIES currently (awaiting their resurrection at the Second Coming of Messiah). It is Paradise for the dead believing human souls, and they worship God with the angels.

1 Thessalonians 4 (NKJV)

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Address rev 19 bride becomes the wife.
Address disembodied spirits drinking wine in heaven.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The rapture happened in 1 Thess 4:16-18 with the bodily return of Messiah to the clouds, immediately following the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). You quote 1 Thess 5:6 after the post-tribulation rapture, are you a post-tribber secretely? Those remaining ("left behind" as you so dearly want to quote a very disinforming Holywood movie) following the rapture post of the tribulation, will be conquered by Messiah, who starts His Millennial Kingdom immediately after the great tribulation.

What occurs FOLLOWING "our Rapture" is that CERTAIN ONES [not 100% of the ppl] "GOD SHALL SEND TO THEM great delusion, IN ORDER THAT THEY should BELIEVE the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI"... and THAT occurs during more than merely "a singular 24-hr day"... but over a SPANS OF TIME (during the SAME SPANS OF TIME that the "man of sin" will exist [in his role] and DO ALL he is slated TO DO over the course of those 7 YEARS)

 

[Absolutely]

Will await clever " remedy"

 

[BenjaminN]

There is nowhere in the bible that points to a postrib rapture.

Look at my challenge to postribs that try to post a postrib rapture verse

Yet you guys just assume it.
Then try and reframe the bible from that failed position.

JESUS SAID the OPPOSITE of your made up deal.

Bizarre

Revelation 20 (NKJV)

4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.

 

[BenjaminN]

What occurs FOLLOWING "our Rapture" is that CERTAIN ONES "GOD WILL SEND TO THEM great delusion, IN ORDER THAT THEY should BELIEVE the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI"... and THAT occurs during more than merely "a singular 24-hr day"... but over a SPANS OF TIME

2 Thessalonians 2 (NKJV)

1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.