50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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FreeGrace2 said:
OK, so share a verse that show raptured believers being taken to heaven. That's all I ask.


Prove it by providing a verse that shows what you claim.
I have to side with you on this one. Jesus remains in the cloud as His saints are caught up, but Paul STILL calls it a coming.
You are still missing the critical point. You are ignoring the little part about raptured believers being taken to heaven. Where is that found?

1 Thes 4:16 ."..unto the coming of the Lord ..."
Not the issue, not the point.
 
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Again I beg to differ: the Holy Spirit INSIDE every believer will most certainly go WITH THEM as they are caught up. So you are still mistaken.
You have a reading or comprehension problem. I SAID the HS stays with every believer. Why do you keep making FALSE statements about what I have said.

It is absolute truth: a moment after the rapture, the Holy Spirit will not be indwelling millions of people on earth as He is today. Those He is indwelling today will be caught up.
This is totally irrelevant. You're wasting my time with this drivel.

Do you, or do you not, have a verse that shows clearly that raptured believers go to heaven?
 
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I asked for a verse that proves a posttrib rapture, and you give us this:

2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

I see a coming. I see a gathering. BUT I SEE NO TIMING. STRIKE !
The "strike" is on YOU. It's obvious by the order. Do you understand what "order" means?

You continued:

Red words refer to the Second coming of our Lord.
Blue words refer to the rapture.
Do you see the order here? Second advent FIRST, and THEN the rapture.

It could NOT be any more clear than that.

Let's see: He came once, so the next time He comes will be the "second" coming. This fits a pretrib coming to a "T!" What you have failed to prove is any TIMING information.
The words themselves prove which occurs first, whether you are able to comprehend that or not.

Second advent AND our being gathered to Him. One and then the other. But if you can't understand "order" there isnt any use in further discussion.

It is what you demand of us, so I demand it to prove a posttrib rapture.
I did, and you simply demonstrate that you can't comprehend the verse.

Just an answer that He only comes once more is not good enough: you have to prove it with scripture. Strike 2!
What are you talking about? Jesus' first coming was around 3-4 BC as a baby. So He does come only once again. Telling me to "prove it with Scripture" is as faulty as telling me to prove the Trinity by finding a verse with that word in it.

So you can STOP the claim that there aren't any posttrib rapture verses. You have not shown me one yet.
Pitiful. 2 Thess 2:1 shows Christ's Second Coming AND our being gathered to Him. But since your mind has already been made up, you have no room for facts. I understand.

You're going to have to really twist things around to get a resurrection BEFORE a FIRST resurrection. My friend, you are only showing your ignorance of the scriptures! You are thinking "time" when John was thinking "honor."
I have already shown your own error. Do your research on how that word is used in other verses.

"First" resurrection: Strongs number G4413 "prōtos "
  1. first in time or place
    1. in any succession of things or persons
  2. first in rank
    1. influence, honour
    2. chief
    3. principal
(emphasis added)
You just shot another hole in your foot!! When a dictionary/lexicon lists various uses/meanings to a word, the #1 on the list is the most common use. What you have FAILED to do is prove that your second place vote is mandated in 2 Thess 2:1.

So it can mean first in time as you want to use it, or
it can mean first in rank or honor as in the chief of resurrections.
Get over it.

In the KJV it used: first (84x), chief (9x), first day (2x), former (2x), miscellaneous (7x).

Notice, NINE TIMES translated as chief.
Then WHY is the #1 meaning about time? lol

Finally you wrote:
This is dishonest. I've already quoted 2 Thess 2:1 and Rev 20:4,5 before, a number of times.

A post trib rapture has been proven from these verses.

What I find amazing is you actually believe you provided proof of a posttrib rapture!
You have just provided proof of delusional thinking.

Your eyes and ears are closed to truth. Obviously.

I find the same kind of truth rejection among Arminians when discussing eternal security and I quote John 10:28 where Jesus said, "I give them eternal life and they shall never perish".

Clearly the basis for never perishing is being given the gift of eternal life. But you should see the outlandish and idiotic arguments they present in denying what the verse very plainly says.

You have no verse about raptured believers going to heaven, and you REJECT the clear verse that says that the rapture is at the Second Advent.

Piece of work.
 
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It should be clear to all after almost 70 pages of "proof" for both sides of pre and post, that when people read scriptures differently, what seems like good proof to one side is not perceived as proof by the other side. It is for this reason that this same disagreement has been ongoing for years. It is not going to be settled in this thread.

It is only going to be solved when Jesus comes.
The only relevant question is how the faith of pre-tribbers will be tested if they live to see the trib.

You guys are so dug in, and without any solid evidence by way of a verse saying that raptured believers go to heaven, I can only imagine how much reality will shake your faith.
 

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We are all The Body of Christ. You may make all the boorish demands you wish but your institutional bias remains irrelevant.
People won't accept a deception simply by your demands that they do.

Church Membership, does not Save you.

Sitting in a Pew every week, does not Save you.

Being an Acolyte, does not Save you.

Head knowledge about Jesus and as the stories about HIM were TRUE, did not SAVE ME.

Christian Water Baptism, does not Save you.

Being a Community Service Volunter, does not Save you.

Being a Sunday School Teacher, does not Save your.


I was all of those things, and I didn't even know that I WAS NOT SAVED.

I was about to turn 29, when I got saved, after my THIRD ATTEMPT at Suicide, in1977. On my first two attempts I had a pistol against my Temple, with the TRIGGER half pulled, when a TERROR OVER WHELMED ME. A TERROR, that not even the worst Mass Murderer with a knife to my throat, couldn't even come close to PUTTING IN ME. That TERROR I was in reality, standing in the gates of Hades/Hell, about to WALK IN. I did not care if I hurt my parants, or my Brother or Sister. I just wanted to CEASE TO EXIST.

After my third attempt, which I was an attempt to arrange a FATAL MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT, while three times as Drunk as I have ever been. I was on a FRESHLY poured, extra thick Gravel road, for a whole mile with NO HELMET, Leaning out over that handle bars so that I would HIT HEAD FIRST at over 65 mph. At the start of that mile, I even TAUNTED GOD, by YELLING; "IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ME ON THIS MILE, YOU CAN DO IT ANY WHERE YOU WANT TO, AS I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER DAY!"

Dispite all of that, THE BIKE DID NOT EVEN WABBLE A BIT. IT WAS AS IF I WAS RIDING ON PAVEMENT. I sat up another 3 or 4 hours, and as I stepped into my bedroom a thought crossed my mind. "I cannot even ride like that, when I was sober." It was like GOD was saying to me, "NO YOU DON'T, BECAUSE I HAVE A PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE." As wave, after, wave of GUILT for my whole lifestyle washed over me. AND I PLEADED WITH HIM TO FORGIVE ME FOR MY WHOLE LIFESTYLE. I MUST HAVE CRIED, WEEPING IN ENDLESS SOBS FOR AT LEAST 1.5 HOURS MORE. AT SOME POINT IN THE GREAVING PROCESS, THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE ME A PRAYER THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

I prayed: Forgive Me LORD, Forgive ME! If you have a purpose for my life, then LORD, you are going to have to come into it, and run my Life. Because I am making a total MESS of it.

No one ever taught me that Prayer, it was the a TOTAL SURRENDER TO JESUS CHRIST. In my youth until I was almost 29, HE was only in my HEAD. AND NOW HE and the Holy Spirit, WAS IN MY HEART. NOTHING IN ME, I KNEW WOULD EVER WANT TO TAKE IT BACK. The difference was NIGHT AND DAY IN ME. I LOVED HIM ENOUGH that I REALLY WANT HIM to control my life forever, and yes, I knew I had a SIN NATURE would want to interfere. But now I had JESUS CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT in my HEART, and they would never LEAVE ME!

NO Statement as the top, NONE OF THAT WAS THERE in the beginning, even WATER BAPTISM DID NOT SAVE, because is it is Spiritual BAPTISM, where the Holy Spirit emmerses us into the Spiritual Body of CHRIST, THAT SAVES.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess {NOT just profess} with your mouth JESUS as LORD , and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
 

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TheDivineWatermark said:
2Th2:1 states, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [/even] by our gathering together unto him"
Yes, that is what I said, but I didn't shout.
[Post #1259] Well, you are wrong. 2 Thess 2:1 clearly indicates that the 'coming of the Lord' precedes our being gathered to Him.
I don't think you even know what you've been saying. :D


I think you're also missing my point, despite my "emphasis"... and my explanation: when "OUR Lord Jesus Christ / OUR Lord Jesus" phrase is used (using the word "OUR"), it is speaking of "our Rapture" (i.e. the events surrounding "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" [IN THE AIR] involving NO ONE ELSE; just like Numbers 10:4's "when ONE [trumpet] sounds" not every person all over creation is to "gather UNTO MOSES"--only the ones named in that verse, were to! [see also the "24 names" who are hooked up in chpt 1 of that Book... also speaking of the "heads - H7218 - ros/rosh/roshe/rase ]" like 10:4 is using--See CONTEXT of chpt 1, in vv.1-4 ('shall number them by their armies')--and 10:4 also uses the word "leaders - H5387 - nasiy' / han-nə-śî-’îm - 'chief, prince, one lifted up'," along with the other word, "heads"]).



Believe as you wish, but I'm endeavoring to point out the distinctions that most seem to "blur together" without distinction, like trying to EQUATE what PAUL was bringing to the fore in v.1 (etc) to that of what the false conveyors were purporting "IS HERE / IS PRESENT" in v.2 (which was decidedly NOT the SAME as PAUL's Subject in v.1!), etc... throughout this passage...
 

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I think that people spend too much time disagreeing over things that have absolutely nothing to do with one's salvation & eternal destiny (such as is the so-called 'rapture pre-trib, post trib, mid-trib; who is [...]
As I see it, it's not as though we, as believers, think that "our eschatological viewpoints" affect "our eternal destiny" as far as "salvation" goes (most believe we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work alone)... so it's not like we [at least, most "pre-tribbers"] are threatening others that "if ppl don't believe 'our viewpoint on eschatology,' that you'll be doooooomed!"

However, being a "pre-tribber" myself, I do feel a responsibility to those who will exist on the earth FOLLOWING "our Rapture," (that is, in/during/within the trib yrs--same time-period that "the man of sin" will exist, "whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power and signs and LYING wonders, and with all DECEIVABLENESS of unrighteousness..." [Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 "DECEIVE"] etc), that my words today (while we're still "on the earth" prior to "our Rapture") leave those folks with the truth [/better access to the truth], enabling them to better maneuver those years of great deception, as opposed to making it harder for them.

It's not like, "hey, WE'LL be outta here, so WHO CARES about those who will still be existing on the earth during that time-period... let THOSE 'servants' [who will be 'bringing the specific message of that time-period'] FIGURE IT OUT! [ :p ]... ". Uh, No.

I don't see that as being a godly mindset, even though I acknowledge we'll not be present here on the earth at that time; however, our words and writings will indeed linger after us (with great potential for AFFECTING/IMPACTING them)... Why is it so wrong to want to help THEM get it right, because THEN (and in their case) it WILL be a matter of "life or death," so to speak (and that, within a very specific, LIMITED time-period). Paul DOES show the TWO *contrasting* beliefs ppl will be coming to FOLLOWING "our Rapture / THE Departure"... so I'd rather be a part of aiding them rather than hindering them and their grasp of the truth, even after "our Rapture"... if that makes sense).

IOW, I do not believe this "discussion" to be merely "idle convo," to no purpose... ("it's NOT ALL ABOUT US," as the saying goes ;) )
 

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, where is a verse that tells us that Jesus will take raptured believers to heaven?
Where is the verse that tells us that from the air Jesus will take the raptured church right back to earth?
Why ask questions that have no answers? I can only guess you want to argue.
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I told you before, I am too old to even want to argue. You will find out, your time is coming. The BIBLE says only young people want to argue. It will come with spiritual maturity.


1 Thessalonians 1:10 (ESV)
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,


* * * * * * * answer.
Hebrews 3:11-12 (NASB)

11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.'" {Those Left Behind.}
12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.

* * * * * * * answer.
Revelation 6:15-17 (NASB)
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
16 and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"


There is 7 years between HIS APPEARING IN THE CLOUDS, exactly the same Length of Anti-christ Reign, and HIS SECOND COMING.
We go to Heaven to ESCAPE HIS WRATH, and to attend the Wedding of the LAMB.
Our JOB in the Millennial Kingdom, will be to Reign as Priests of the TEMPLE.
 

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1 Reason There Won't Be A Pre-Trib Rapture :giggle:
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It is a sure thing that it will be Pretrib.

WHY ? ? ?

The days of Antichrist rule are NUMBERED in the BIBLE, and therefore I can figure out what will be his last day from the start date.

A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL, most certainly will be INTERNATIONAL NEWS, and the START DAY WILL BE PUBLISHED IN EVERY NEWS PAPER AND NEWS TV SHOW in the WORLD.

Therefore, I can figure out what will be his last day of the Seven year Peace Treat that He will sign with Israel.

So, the only way for this prophecy to come true is a PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE.

Go ahead and figure it out, only a PRETRIB date will leave this NO ONE WILL KNOW THE DATE IT WILL START.


Matthew 25:13 (NCV)
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.
 

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Matthew 25:13 (NCV)
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.
The day and hour no man knows is the (Second Coming) not a (Pre-Trib Rapture) as many "falsely" teach
 

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2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

If this happened before the GT then there'd be no place to have a GT at.

Since the Day may well be over a thousand years, which part of "the DAY" do you imagine the elements melting? I suspect just before the GWT judgment where John tells us the heavens and the earth flee away and there is no place found for them.

Therefore, don't worry or fret: there will be plenty of space for the GT.
The fact is "The Day" isnt a thousand literal years on earth, only in your imagination
 

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You have a reading or comprehension problem. I SAID the HS stays with every believer. Why do you keep making FALSE statements about what I have said.


This is totally irrelevant. You're wasting my time with this drivel.

Do you, or do you not, have a verse that shows clearly that raptured believers go to heaven?
You rally against a Pre-Trib rapture, and believe in a false Millennial Kingdom on this earth, your eschatology is no different relating to deception

There will be no Pre-Trib rapture or Millennial Kingdom on this earth, false teachings in deception
 
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I don't think you even know what you've been saying.
Are you having trouble comprehending? Of course I know what what I'm saying. Or is this just a snarky way of suggesting something darker?

I think you're also missing my point, despite my "emphasis"
Yeah, I've talked about all your "emphasis". It really gets in the way of following what you are trying to say.

... and my explanation: when "OUR Lord Jesus Christ / OUR Lord Jesus" phrase is used (using the word "OUR"), it is speaking of "our Rapture" (i.e. the events surrounding "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" [IN THE AIR] involving NO ONE ELSE

Well, OF COURSE any mention of the rapture would include ONLY all believers living on earth.

Believe as you wish
No, I believe what I read in Scripture, unlike yourself.

but I'm endeavoring to point out the distinctions that most seem to "blur together" without distinction, like trying to EQUATE what PAUL was bringing to the fore in v.1 (etc) to that of what the false conveyors were purporting "IS HERE / IS PRESENT" in v.2 (which was decidedly NOT the SAME as PAUL's Subject in v.1!), etc... throughout this passage...
The connection between v1 and v.2 is clear. The "coming of our Lord" is when Jesus gathers up the living believers when He COMES. The DOTL is the time frame from when He COMES through the Millennium, at least.

iow, His COMING is the inauguration of the DOTL.

So, please explain what "the coming of our Lord" means to you. What was Paul referring to in v.1?
 

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This is a classical example of pulling verses out of context.
These verses set the context for the first seals:

Rev 5:
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


2, An angel making a search for one worthy to take the book and open the seals.
3. This search John watched ended in failure, "no man was found." WHY? Why at the time of this search, Jesus was NOT FOUND? WHY? This is showing us TIMING. At the time of this search Jesus had NOT YET RISEN from the dead to become worthy.
4. John knew the great importance of getting this book opened. But a search had just falied. TIME IS PASSING as John weeps.
5. SOMETHING CHANGED with the passing of time. Another search and this time JESUS IS FOUND WORTHY. So what happened? Jesus had just risen from the dead, PREVAILING over death.
6. Jesus suddenly appears in the throne room. Take careful note: Jesus was NOT SEEN in the throne room in chapter 4. Why? God was showing John TIME and TIMING: it was while Jesus was on the earth or under the earth.


Take a closer look: the Holy Spirit is there in chapter 4 but SENT DOWN in chapter 5.

God is showing us WHEN Jesus got the book and began opening the seals: AS SOON AS HE ASCENDED. Verse 6 shows us His ascension back to the throne room after sending Mary away.

Therefore, at the first seal, JOHN and the HOLY SPIRIT are at the time of Jesus ascension, while many who ignore the contest are 2000 years into the future. God is at the time of the early church, but those who ignore contest imaging the Antichrist Beast.

The first seal was opened around 32 AD and can ONLY represent the church and the gospel.

Seals 2-4 are to represent the devil trying to stop the church.

Seal 5 is for the martyrs of the CHURCH AGE.
Seal 6 starts God's wrath. The rapture will happen just before wrath.

Seal 7 is the official start of the 70th week.
The days of GT that Jesus spoke of will not start until late in chapter 14 after God's warnings.

Therefore, the great crowd too large to number is the JUST RAPTURED CHURCH. The "great" here is for the 2000 years of tribulation the church has lived through. It is NOT and cannot be any part of the 70th week because John has not yet started the week!
I have always agreed with you that the church is raptured before God's wrath.

Tribulation and God's wrath are two different things, we WILL have tribulation ... this is what we are to watch and pray about, this is what we are to be found worthy in.

The Great Tribulation is a particular time in the end times.
 
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You rally against a Pre-Trib rapture, and believe in a false Millennial Kingdom on this earth, your eschatology is no different relating to deception

There will be no Pre-Trib rapture or Millennial Kingdom on this earth, false teachings in deception
Your views are warped. Rev 20 is so clear. But go ahead and reject the truth.

But you have no excuse.
 

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Saying "revealed" means something other than revealed is poor exegesis.

But keep trying.
Being revealed is being revealed.
opposing everything called god is opposing everything called god.
both these and his sitting in the temple must happen before the Lord comes.
 

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Your views are warped. Rev 20 is so clear. But go ahead and reject the truth.

But you have no excuse.
Revelation 20:1-6 is the Lords spiritual realm, no physical kingdom on this earth, nor mortal humans are seen (Fact)

You deny truth, there is no Millennial Kingdom on this earth seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as you fight against a pre-trib rapture, with your Millennialism being a false teaching in itself, hypocrisy
 

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The connection between v1 and v.2 is clear. The "coming of our Lord" is when Jesus gathers up the living believers when He COMES. The DOTL is the time frame from when He COMES through the Millennium, at least.
iow, His COMING is the inauguration of the DOTL.
In your Post #1157 (page 58), you had it right, when you had said:

FreeGrace2 said:
Sure. birth pains begin, which signals a birth is coming. Duh. The FIRST group of God's judgment are the seals, followed by the trumpets , and then the bowl judgments. All of the Trib is the DOTL.
(YES! ^ YOU GOT IT!! ... but, of course, that's not ALL of "the DOTL" in its entirety, as you well know)



Which had been a response to my saying (in my Post #1151):

[re: the "birth PANGS" Jesus spoke of]--Paul informs us that [as the Thessalonians "KNOW PERFECTLY"] "the DOTL" time-period *ARRIVES* like the INITIAL one that COMES UPON a woman... 1Th5:2-3;


"All of the Trib" (<--this is what the false conveyors were falsely purporting "IS HERE / IS PRESENT" in v.2, unfolding UPON THE EARTH over the course of SOME TIME;... which is NOT what Paul's Subject HE IS BRINGING to the fore in v.1, which is ONLY speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" and ITS point-in-time)...

...but when ppl conflate these two distinct items (incorrectly thinking that the false conveyors were purporting [that 'IS HERE', v.2] the same Subject PAUL is bringing, v.1) then what Paul is actually conveying in this text gets butchered to smithereens... :geek:[<--seeing it through cracked / shattered glasses :sick: rather than "accurately"]
 

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This very long and very awkwardly sentence needs a lot of work.
However, your point is meaningless, since Paul gives the clear order of the Second Advent and rapture in v.1.
Paul, in v.1, is not speaking of (what we commonly call) "Christ's Second Coming to the earth" [as in, Rev19].

Rather, "the coming of OUR Lord Jesus Christ and [/even] OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" (that is, "IN THE AIR"... "the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR").

This ^ is CONTRASTED with what v.8b is speaking of: His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, when He will be "OPENLY MANIFEST / [His] MANIFESTATION"... when "EVERY EYE" shall see Him.

Between those two distinct items, the "man of sin" will be present on the earth to DO ALL he is slated to DO (IN HIS TIME, the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period)

You cannot undo what Paul did.
You're sure giving it your best shot, though! :D
 

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Can you please reply with a link to some posts you made about the 10 virgins of Matthew 25?
I was speaking to a young pastor on this matter yesterday and I would like to review your notes.
Well, off the top of my head, I know I made at least ONE post in THIS thread, on that Subject (not a thorough treatment, mind you, but brief comments on it):

Post #79 (page 4) - https://christianchat.com/threads/5...ure-by-dr-john-f-walvoord.198357/post-4530368


However, apart from their grasping the "chronology" issues (such as Luke 21:12 saying that the 70ad events must come "BEFORE ALL" of "the beginning of birth pangS" [same point being made in Matt22:7, then v.8 [Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 (7:3)], etc...], then it can be difficult for a person to see that ALL of Matthew 24 (+) is talking about what FOLLOWS "our Rapture"... but you're welcome to view that post of mine (however brief it was), and see if any of it helps "clear the vision," so to speak...

It's on the topic of the "LAMPS LIT" for the "IN THE NIGHT [/NIGHT WATCHES]" time-period (i.e. trib yrs), and related to the Matt24:14 / 26:13 verses (but if a person is in the mindset that Matt24:14 [/26:13] is what is taking place [/being preached] NOW [rather than IN the FUTURE TRIB yrs, per context], it can be difficult to wrench such a thing from their mindset...)



[I've made many other posts on that Subject you're asking about... will try to Search out some...]