Which versions of bible are best and worst?

[Trax]

I have a "Today's English Version" bible, is that one good enough? I hope so because it's the only one I got. It has also a section between the old and new testaments called Deuteronomy and Apocrypha, should I skip those?

You need to be aware that the end of this age looks like it is drawing to a close. Right before the end, the falling away
will happen, where people in the church abandoned the faith. I do consider the slight changes in Bible translations, over
the years, to contribute to the "falling away" conditions we are now in. People will tell you many things, and a lot
of those things are on the subject of "why these changes need to take place in the Bible." They are just itching to change
God's word and they'll tell you which Bible versions to get, which already have had changes done to it. If it were
a matter of wording, I wouldn't have a problem with "changes." However, words aren't all that have been changed.
A slight shift from the spiritual discernment to a carnal concept has taken place. The KJV is more important to the
English speaking christian, than it has ever been since its creation. You need to have you one. The further
an individual is removed from the KJV, the greater the chance that individual stands at being deceived. A lot of the
people who don't hold the KJV in high regard, are many of the same people advocating "more" changes.
They want the "new and improved." Well, God isn't "new and improved." What He gave, is what He thought
was best. When people try to improve on God's work, they only make it worse. God is perfect and man isn't.
Get a KJV.

 

[Malcyboy]

You need to be aware that the end of this age looks like it is drawing to a close. Right before the end, the falling away
will happen, where people in the church abandoned the faith. I do consider the slight changes in Bible translations, over
the years, to contribute to the "falling away" conditions we are now in. People will tell you many things, and a lot
of those things are on the subject of "why these changes need to take place in the Bible." They are just itching to change
God's word and they'll tell you which Bible versions to get, which already have had changes done to it. If it were
a matter of wording, I wouldn't have a problem with "changes." However, words aren't all that have been changed.
A slight shift from the spiritual discernment to a carnal concept has taken place. The KJV is more important to the
English speaking christian, than it has ever been since its creation. You need to have you one. The further
an individual is removed from the KJV, the greater the chance that individual stands at being deceived. A lot of the
people who don't hold the KJV in high regard, are many of the same people advocating "more" changes.
They want the "new and improved." Well, God isn't "new and improved." What He gave, is what He thought
was best. When people try to improve on God's work, they only make it worse. God is perfect and man isn't.
Get a KJV.

I get what your saying Trax, new and improved, generally means weak and watered... however, what about people like myself who struggle to even understand the language used in the KJV, never mind use it to gain Godly wisdom? Do you suggest that we just go with the watered down Message version or just to "persevere as you will soon understand the archaic english in the kjv"

Personally, translations such as the NKJV and the ESV have greatly improved my devotional time and I find i connect with God on a deeper level as i now can understand the language and understand the word.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Nope. Not good enough if you want to continue in His words to be His disciple. Modern Bibles have changed the message and the meaning of His words and the words of His disciples to such a point that actually support false teachings & apostasies in these latter days. A small leaven leavens into a whole lump.

So stick with the King James Version. BibleGateway has it available to peruse while you are online.

BibleGateway.com: Search for a Bible passage in 60 languages and 160 versions.

What Today's English Version are you using? I do not see that version listed at BibleGateway.

If it is not listed, then print out these three references for me to compare with the KJV. 1 Peter 4:19 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 & Romans 8:26-27 so that with His help as my Good Shepherd, I can see the difference. You can too with His help in knowing the real message given.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You need to be aware that the end of this age looks like it is drawing to a close. Right before the end, the falling away
will happen, where people in the church abandoned the faith. I do consider the slight changes in Bible translations, over
the years, to contribute to the "falling away" conditions we are now in. People will tell you many things, and a lot
of those things are on the subject of "why these changes need to take place in the Bible." They are just itching to change
God's word and they'll tell you which Bible versions to get, which already have had changes done to it. If it were
a matter of wording, I wouldn't have a problem with "changes." However, words aren't all that have been changed.
A slight shift from the spiritual discernment to a carnal concept has taken place. The KJV is more important to the
English speaking christian, than it has ever been since its creation. You need to have you one. The further
an individual is removed from the KJV, the greater the chance that individual stands at being deceived. A lot of the
people who don't hold the KJV in high regard, are many of the same people advocating "more" changes.
They want the "new and improved." Well, God isn't "new and improved." What He gave, is what He thought
was best. When people try to improve on God's work, they only make it worse. God is perfect and man isn't.
Get a KJV.

The KJV isn't a perfect translation, nor is it the best. It's good, but it's not the best.

 

[zone]

The words used could be threshing floor and wheat and tares, but in reality it means 'a place of refinement and seperation', along with 'good work' and 'bad work'.

Similarly 'God is like a burning flame' can mean to one person 'He is a burning literal bush', or it can mean within context that he engulfs and burns up what work is not built on proper surface.

Lots of concepts. And a lot of the bible loses it's meaning and becomes a story full of strange language if a person doesn't get the foreknowledge. The Old Testament is full of these things. The bible is a lot of work sometimes lol.

 

[BarlyGurl]

I get what your saying Trax, new and improved, generally means weak and watered... however, what about people like myself who struggle to even understand the language used in the KJV, never mind use it to gain Godly wisdom? Do you suggest that we just go with the watered down Message version or just to "persevere as you will soon understand the archaic english in the kjv"

Personally, translations such as the NKJV and the ESV have greatly improved my devotional time and I find i connect with God on a deeper level as i now can understand the language and understand the word.

NKJV should be adequate to remove the THEE, THOU, WHILTEST language that is hard for younger people to understand. Besides just READING the bible... have a STRONG's Greek Hebrew dictionary and actually LOOK UP words using the corresponding version concordance... this will really help to "open" the scriptures for you. I agree with Trax that everyone should have a KJV. When I first became a christian... I was so hungry for knowledge I was always searching for more christian teaching books. I have a fairly nice library of very good sound doctrine teaching books I purchased at thrift stores for a $1 or less because christianity has been "modernizing" very rapidly in the last 15 years and the books I have were considered "outdated" as they were written in 1950-1990's. THe idea that somehow GOD didn't know about our modern technology and new ethical dilemma's when He authored the bible... is well... RIDICULOUS.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

You need to be aware that the end of this age looks like it is drawing to a close. Right before the end, the falling away
will happen, where people in the church abandoned the faith. I do consider the slight changes in Bible translations, over
the years, to contribute to the "falling away" conditions we are now in. People will tell you many things, and a lot
of those things are on the subject of "why these changes need to take place in the Bible." They are just itching to change
God's word and they'll tell you which Bible versions to get, which already have had changes done to it. If it were
a matter of wording, I wouldn't have a problem with "changes." However, words aren't all that have been changed.
A slight shift from the spiritual discernment to a carnal concept has taken place. The KJV is more important to the
English speaking christian, than it has ever been since its creation. You need to have you one. The further
an individual is removed from the KJV, the greater the chance that individual stands at being deceived. A lot of the
people who don't hold the KJV in high regard, are many of the same people advocating "more" changes.
They want the "new and improved." Well, God isn't "new and improved." What He gave, is what He thought
was best. When people try to improve on God's work, they only make it worse. God is perfect and man isn't.
Get a KJV.

well i tend to think the opposite...people who rely on the KJV are -more- likely to be deceived...

why? because the KJV is harder to understand...and a lot of people who -think- they understand it really -don't-...

being harder to understand makes it easier for sincere people to misunderstand...and for false teachers to distort... there is a reason most 'christian' cults are KJV only...

 

[rauleetoe]

Oh and I forgot to add the New Century Version, The Common English Bible,and The Voice(a 'dynamic' equivalent)

 

[GRA]

I don't really prefer any Bible but the King James version personally. Of course, it's pretty hard to read and understand at first - so I glance through the newer versions to get a clearer idea of what's being said within the King James version. I came to this decision due to one verse. The King James version had One extra word it in the verse that made a BIG difference (to Me) that the newer version had taken out. Ever since I noticed that, I no longer take the newer versions of the Bible at heart.

You need to be aware that the end of this age looks like it is drawing to a close. Right before the end, the falling away will happen, where people in the church abandoned the faith. I do consider the slight changes in Bible translations, over the years, to contribute to the "falling away" conditions we are now in. People will tell you many things, and a lot of those things are on the subject of "why these changes need to take place in the Bible." They are just itching to change God's word and they'll tell you which Bible versions to get, which already have had changes done to it. If it were a matter of wording, I wouldn't have a problem with "changes." However, words aren't all that have been changed. A slight shift from the spiritual discernment to a carnal concept has taken place. The KJV is more important to the English speaking christian, than it has ever been since its creation. You need to have you one. The further an individual is removed from the KJV, the greater the chance that individual stands at being deceived. A lot of the people who don't hold the KJV in high regard, are many of the same people advocating "more" changes. They want the "new and improved." Well, God isn't "new and improved." What He gave, is what He thought was best. When people try to improve on God's work, they only make it worse. God is perfect and man isn't. Get a KJV.

I get what your saying Trax, new and improved, generally means weak and watered... however, what about people like myself who struggle to even understand the language used in the KJV, never mind use it to gain Godly wisdom? Do you suggest that we just go with the watered down Message version or just to "persevere as you will soon understand the archaic english in the kjv"

Personally, translations such as the NKJV and the ESV have greatly improved my devotional time and I find i connect with God on a deeper level as i now can understand the language and understand the word.

NKJV should be adequate to remove the THEE, THOU, WHILTEST language that is hard for younger people to understand. Besides just READING the bible... have a STRONG's Greek Hebrew dictionary and actually LOOK UP words using the corresponding version concordance... this will really help to "open" the scriptures for you. I agree with Trax that everyone should have a KJV. When I first became a christian... I was so hungry for knowledge I was always searching for more christian teaching books. I have a fairly nice library of very good sound doctrine teaching books I purchased at thrift stores for a $1 or less because christianity has been "modernizing" very rapidly in the last 15 years and the books I have were considered "outdated" as they were written in 1950-1990's. THe idea that somehow GOD didn't know about our modern technology and new ethical dilemma's when He authored the bible... is well... RIDICULOUS.

My two cents - a link to a post in another CC thread:

What people don't understand about the KJV is that it will NEVER be "out-dated"...

And, this is without mention of the modern corruption / perversion of the biblical text.

Which is basically what I meant by this line:

("Speaking strictly in terms of translation - not to mention 'error', etc.")

For so many reasons:

"I believe the KJV is STILL the BEST available English Bible translation BY FAR."

My advice:

"Want to get the most out of the Word of God? Get a KJV. Do the hard work. You will not regret it."



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[zone]

well i tend to think the opposite...people who rely on the KJV are -more- likely to be deceived...

why? because the KJV is harder to understand...and a lot of people who -think- they understand it really -don't-...

being harder to understand makes it easier for sincere people to misunderstand...and for false teachers to distort... there is a reason most 'christian' cults are KJV only...

i read somewhere or other - no clue if it's true - that the KJV translators tended to use the harshest possible greek meanings for words re: command/obey - being they were working for King James.

urban myth? prolly. why not add another KJV myth.

KJV onlyism is really a shame i wish ppl would stop doing it. it's a good Bible.
why can't we just love it and that's enuff?
i like it and don't have trouble understanding it that much...spent lots of years with it.
i use the ESV study Bible now.
about to upgrade to the Lutheran ESV Study Bible.

i haveta save up my bottles and cans though

 

[GRA]

well i tend to think the opposite...people who rely on the KJV are -more- likely to be deceived...

why? because the KJV is harder to understand...and a lot of people who -think- they understand it really -don't-...

being harder to understand makes it easier for sincere people to misunderstand...and for false teachers to distort... there is a reason most 'christian' cults are KJV only...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

"However, to 'blurt out' such BOLD statements as these without an accompanying reliable foundation of proof is pretty absurdly ridiculous - don't you think?"

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[cfultz3]

A little insight of the NKJV

Has anyone notice that the symbol on the front cover of the NKJV is the ancient Triquetra. Something interesting to read about.

 

[BarlyGurl]

A little insight of the NKJV

Has anyone notice that the symbol on the front cover of the NKJV is the ancient Triquetra. Something interesting to read about.

There is no symbol on the cover of any NKJV bible I own

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Clarity and understanding are found within the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Truth.

 

[chrisx2600]

There are many different types of Translations. There is the word for word translation, there is the Dynamic Equavalent Translation, and then there is the Free Translation as to types.

Word for Word/Literal

The KJV, RSV, NASV,and NRSV are examples of Word for Word/Literal translations. These translations are of course "word for word", the problem lies in these translations about grammar and idioms which play a major role in determining the meaning of individual words. The resultant meaning of a particular word order in one language may be very different from the inferred
meaning using the same word order in another.

Dynamic equivalence translations
This method of translation attempts to translate words, idioms and grammatical constructions of the original language into precise equivalents in the English language so that the intended meaning of the original authors is most easily understood.

Free translation
This type of translation is an attempt to translate ideas from one language to another with less concern about using the exact words of the author.

I just got through studying about this. Personally I use the KJV, but also the NASB, and NLT. Ultimately the decision is between God and you.

Blessings Very Richly

 

[GRA]

My two cents...

I meant to add this statement "somewhere in there"...:

Even the NKJV - in dropping all of the 'thee's and 'thou's, etc. - has done a great dis-service to the reader.

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[Crazy4GODword]

Tbh i believe the worse to be the message bible, it goes way off course in its verses. And maybe also the new international version 2012, doesnt seem completely right to me, like the words misplaced and changed.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Tbh i believe the worse to be the message bible, it goes way off course in its verses. And maybe also the new international version 2012, doesnt seem completely right to me, like the words misplaced and changed. but thats my opinion

 

[BarlyGurl]

Tbh i believe the worse to be the message bible, it goes way off course in its verses. And maybe also the new international version 2012, doesnt seem completely right to me, like the words misplaced and changed.

Does the message even qualify as a bible??? Isn't more like a storybook?

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Does the message even qualify as a bible??? Isn't more like a storybook?

yea its like not even a bible, when i read it i look at the cover to make sure i picked up a bible lol