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yes, some NKJV's use a symbol in their which apparently a symbol representing the Holy Trinity, and there is the whole debate on whether that is christian or pagan or whatever. what matters isnt the symbol, but the word inside the bible! I have stated this, now for the 3rd time, I do own a KJV and its more or less unused, simply because the archaic language gives me more hassle than actually trying to feed on the word, however I personally use the NKJV, ESV and occasionally the HCSB, for main reading purposes. No bible is perfect in its translation, simply because the Greek and Hebrew of the bible does not translate to well into English. I.e. Love has multiple forms in the original texts, we have agape, phileo and storge (there is also eros, but that does not appear in biblical text).. so that is just one very simple example of how words can be miconstrued in the bible...
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Comparing GNT to KJV. Peter 4:19. - GNT - So then, those who suffer because it is God's will for them, should by their good actions trust themselves completely to their Creator, who always keeps his promise. - KJV - Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. [That's confusing.] Corinthians 3:6. - GNT - I planted the seed, Apollos watered the plant, but it was God who made the plant grow. - KJV - I have planted, Apollos watered it; but God gave the increase. [I don't know old timey english but this sounds like a parody of old timey english as opposed to the real thing. "god gave the increase" reeks of someone using google translate.] Romans 8:26-27. - GNT - In the same way the Spirit also comes to help us, weak as we are. For we do not know how we ought to pray; the Spirit himself pleads with God for us in groans that words cannot express. And God, who sees into our hearts, knows what the thought of the Spirit is; because the Spirit pleads with God on behalf of his people and in accordance with his will. - KJV - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. [Ok this is interesting because KJV mentions saints, but GNT doesn't mention saints at all. I don't know which translation is right.] edit: Is there ANY way to make a post on this forum without having all my paragraph breaks automatically removed?
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1 Peter 4:19 - GNT
1 Peter 4:19 - KJV
This is a good example of the corruption of the text by modern bibles.
In the KJV, the phrase 'according to the will of God' does not mean "because it is God's will for them" -- it is saying - because-of / by-way-of / as-a-byproduct-of - doing the will of God. This may be determined from the context of the passage. Read the previous 7 verses. Then, notice the phrase 'commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing'. (The meaning of which is also 'skewed' a little in the GNT version.) And, remember the importance of the word 'Wherefore'. It is not talking about those who suffer because God wants them to suffer - it is talking about those who suffer because they are doing the will of God.
"Can you see how the intent and meaning of this verse has been significantly changed by the GNT?"
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1 Peter 4:19 - KJV
This is a good example of the corruption of the text by modern bibles.
In the KJV, the phrase 'according to the will of God' does not mean "because it is God's will for them" -- it is saying - because-of / by-way-of / as-a-byproduct-of - doing the will of God. This may be determined from the context of the passage. Read the previous 7 verses. Then, notice the phrase 'commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing'. (The meaning of which is also 'skewed' a little in the GNT version.) And, remember the importance of the word 'Wherefore'. It is not talking about those who suffer because God wants them to suffer - it is talking about those who suffer because they are doing the will of God.
"Can you see how the intent and meaning of this verse has been significantly changed by the GNT?"
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Heres the answer to this whole thread, prayerfully consider what version to get, but if you DO post on here realise most of the senior members of this site are the KJV Mafia, no other version is good enough compared to it and they are all heresy LOL so just decide between you and God, and let others opinions be just that, an opinion...
'They will have but a form of godliness, yet deny its power'.
Timothy - And I thank him who has empowered me, our Lord Yeshua The Messiah, who accounted me trustworthy and has put me into his ministry, 13Me, I who from the first was a blasphemer and a persecutor and abusive, but I obtained mercy, because I did not know what I was doing, without faith. 14But the grace of our Lord abounded in me, and faith and love, which are in Yeshua The Messiah. 15This is a trustworthy saying and worthy of acceptance: “Yeshua The Messiah came to the universe to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 16But because of this he showed me mercy, that Yeshua The Messiah might show in me all his longsuffering, as the example of those who are going to believe in him unto eternal life (to be shown as example of how to live (being longsuffering) for those who persevere in The Way unto their own deaths). 17But to The King of the universe, to him who is indestructible and unseen, who is The One God, be honor and glory to the eternity of eternities. Amen. (So to God, be honour and glory for this forever).
18I commit this decree to you, my son, Timotheus, according to the former prophecies which were concerning you, that you may wage this excellent warfare by them, 19In faith and in good conscience, for those who have rejected this from themselves have been emptied of faith, 20Like Humenayus and Alexandrus, those whom I have delivered to Satan that they may be instructed not to blaspheme. Therefore, I beg of you that before anything else, you will offer supplications to God, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving, for the sake of all people, 2For the sake of Kings and Rulers, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil way of life in complete reverence to God and purity. 3For this is pleasing and acceptable before God Our Lifegiver, 4He who wills that all people shall have Life, and shall be converted to the knowledge of the truth. 5For God is One, and The Mediator of God and of the sons of men is One: The Son of Man, Yeshua The Messiah, 6Who gave himself as a ransom in the place of every person, a testimony to be proven in due time,7That of which I am appointed a Preacher and an Apostle of the truth. I say and I do not lie, that I am the Teacher of the Gentiles in the belief of the truth.
We are commanded to hope that all people be saved and God's will be done.
Timothy - And I thank him who has empowered me, our Lord Yeshua The Messiah, who accounted me trustworthy and has put me into his ministry, 13Me, I who from the first was a blasphemer and a persecutor and abusive, but I obtained mercy, because I did not know what I was doing, without faith. 14But the grace of our Lord abounded in me, and faith and love, which are in Yeshua The Messiah. 15This is a trustworthy saying and worthy of acceptance: “Yeshua The Messiah came to the universe to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 16But because of this he showed me mercy, that Yeshua The Messiah might show in me all his longsuffering, as the example of those who are going to believe in him unto eternal life (to be shown as example of how to live (being longsuffering) for those who persevere in The Way unto their own deaths). 17But to The King of the universe, to him who is indestructible and unseen, who is The One God, be honor and glory to the eternity of eternities. Amen. (So to God, be honour and glory for this forever).
18I commit this decree to you, my son, Timotheus, according to the former prophecies which were concerning you, that you may wage this excellent warfare by them, 19In faith and in good conscience, for those who have rejected this from themselves have been emptied of faith, 20Like Humenayus and Alexandrus, those whom I have delivered to Satan that they may be instructed not to blaspheme. Therefore, I beg of you that before anything else, you will offer supplications to God, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving, for the sake of all people, 2For the sake of Kings and Rulers, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil way of life in complete reverence to God and purity. 3For this is pleasing and acceptable before God Our Lifegiver, 4He who wills that all people shall have Life, and shall be converted to the knowledge of the truth. 5For God is One, and The Mediator of God and of the sons of men is One: The Son of Man, Yeshua The Messiah, 6Who gave himself as a ransom in the place of every person, a testimony to be proven in due time,7That of which I am appointed a Preacher and an Apostle of the truth. I say and I do not lie, that I am the Teacher of the Gentiles in the belief of the truth.
We are commanded to hope that all people be saved and God's will be done.
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Authorized Version Defence THE NKJV AND THE TRIQUETRA
Nice counter article
http://docs.abwe.org/CEIM/good-soil/resource-articles/TriquetraJamesDPrice.pdf
Authorized Version Defence THE NKJV AND THE TRIQUETRA
Nice counter article
http://docs.abwe.org/CEIM/good-soil/resource-articles/TriquetraJamesDPrice.pdf
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Eh...i was reading it and compared a psalm, they said two completely different things, one said something like the glories of heaven and God, but the real translation was the pigs feets....something like that makes no sense, im not saying its evil im just saying it really off on certain translations
The best translation for someone who cant understand it, is the NLT it gets real simple and basic with sticking to the topic and word
The best translation for someone who cant understand it, is the NLT it gets real simple and basic with sticking to the topic and word
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Well, i am considering a site for this,actually this site provides the holy scriptures of old and new testaments that how they are being used for ChristFellowship. So, in my views, you need to go there site and i hope you have your discussion in brief as i also visit their site and as i am in Florida. So ,i also visit the church. As churches in tampa fl called as body of christ.
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I just took a look at it. I like the layout and search features. But I don't like the titles they give chapters in the book. Like they say : 1 The Genealogy of Jesus Christ ; That's for the first chapter in Matthew. But I'm sure Christ genealogy is in Luke somewhere. Other then the titled chapters, its seems good.
I like the King James and this is the 1611 version with modern spellings and it is easy to read. It also gives cross references which are useful as well. I think there are one or two other translations that give sub headings and the two genealogies one in Matthew and the other in Luke, I'm told one is Joseph's line and the other is Mary's line.
Anyway it's nice to have open on the computer and it makes it easy to do a copy/paste for posting to the forum or for private study.
Thanks for the comment,
may God bless.
Anyway it's nice to have open on the computer and it makes it easy to do a copy/paste for posting to the forum or for private study.
Thanks for the comment,
may God bless.
No. It will not destroy your chance of salvation, but it may wind up with the consequences of destroying the temple of God of whom you are if you defile the temple of God by building on it wood, stubble, and hay of that which denies Him in works.
Jesus said plainly that His disciples will love His words & keep tham to continue in them as His disciples. When source documents shows omission of words in testifying of Him, that is evidence of poetic licensing when gnostics did not keep His words as they chosen select scripture to change for their followers to memorize to enforce their false teaching in gnosticism that denies the deity of Christ. As a small leaven leavens into a whole lump, By His leadership as our Good Shepherd, His disciples shall choose the KJV over modern Bibles so as to continue in His words to be His disciples and have the meat of His words to discern good & evil in the teachings in the church and in the world.
No. You are better off having a Bible that does not contradict itself in the marginal notes as the Geneva Bible had done.
Romans 13:1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [SUP]4 [/SUP]For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Do not all modern Bibles have this message, but yet you seem to have made that point as if it did not warrant the KJV at all? That's what happens when errant marginal footnotes and false teachings do... they make what is plainly written in the scripture as if it did not really mean that at all and so they gloss over them and follow what is being taught in the church.
Jesus said plainly that His disciples will love His words & keep tham to continue in them as His disciples. When source documents shows omission of words in testifying of Him, that is evidence of poetic licensing when gnostics did not keep His words as they chosen select scripture to change for their followers to memorize to enforce their false teaching in gnosticism that denies the deity of Christ. As a small leaven leavens into a whole lump, By His leadership as our Good Shepherd, His disciples shall choose the KJV over modern Bibles so as to continue in His words to be His disciples and have the meat of His words to discern good & evil in the teachings in the church and in the world.
No. You are better off having a Bible that does not contradict itself in the marginal notes as the Geneva Bible had done.
Romans 13:1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [SUP]4 [/SUP]For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Do not all modern Bibles have this message, but yet you seem to have made that point as if it did not warrant the KJV at all? That's what happens when errant marginal footnotes and false teachings do... they make what is plainly written in the scripture as if it did not really mean that at all and so they gloss over them and follow what is being taught in the church.
Feel free to test whethor or not it was done in the keeping of His words by those that loved Him.
Isaiah 48:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
Does not the NET Bible give footnotes creditting this passage to Cyrus? But this was not speaking of Cyrus in the KJV, but it was changed enough in the NET Bible to undermine the prophesy of those verses, because this is what Jesus was talking about to fulfill all righteousness at His water baptism when the Father spoke from Heaven & the Holy Spirit alighted on Him to testify that He is the Son of God Whom was sent by God.
Matthew 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Thus showing the nature of the Triune God in bearing witness of the Son.
John 8:17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Matthew 18:16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
So that is one reason why I love the KJV because they have kept the testimonies regarding the Son and there are hid treasures in them so that I may grow in the knowledge of Him & my love shall abound more & more.
Psalm 119:[SUP]157 [/SUP]Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. [SUP]158 [/SUP]I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word. [SUP]159 [/SUP]Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O Lord, according to thy lovingkindness. [SUP]160 [/SUP]Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. [SUP]161 [/SUP]Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word. [SUP]162 [/SUP]I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.[SUP]163 [/SUP]I hate and abhor lying: ......
One important note about Cyrus is that God declared him as one that knew Him not and so in no way was Isaiah 48:16-17 was Cyrus speaking. Nope. Nuh uh.
Isaiah 45:1Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;...[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 46:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Those educated scholars can twist His words all they want, but the truth stands in the KJV.
Isaiah 48:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
Does not the NET Bible give footnotes creditting this passage to Cyrus? But this was not speaking of Cyrus in the KJV, but it was changed enough in the NET Bible to undermine the prophesy of those verses, because this is what Jesus was talking about to fulfill all righteousness at His water baptism when the Father spoke from Heaven & the Holy Spirit alighted on Him to testify that He is the Son of God Whom was sent by God.
Matthew 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Thus showing the nature of the Triune God in bearing witness of the Son.
John 8:17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Matthew 18:16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
So that is one reason why I love the KJV because they have kept the testimonies regarding the Son and there are hid treasures in them so that I may grow in the knowledge of Him & my love shall abound more & more.
Psalm 119:[SUP]157 [/SUP]Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. [SUP]158 [/SUP]I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word. [SUP]159 [/SUP]Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O Lord, according to thy lovingkindness. [SUP]160 [/SUP]Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. [SUP]161 [/SUP]Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word. [SUP]162 [/SUP]I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.[SUP]163 [/SUP]I hate and abhor lying: ......
One important note about Cyrus is that God declared him as one that knew Him not and so in no way was Isaiah 48:16-17 was Cyrus speaking. Nope. Nuh uh.
Isaiah 45:1Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;...[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 46:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Those educated scholars can twist His words all they want, but the truth stands in the KJV.
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Contemporary English Version - Book of Proverbs, American Bible Society
The Grail Psalter (Inclusive Language Version), G.I.A. Publications
New American Bible, Revised Old Testament
New Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition, National Council of Churches
The Psalms, Alba House
The Psalms (New International Version) - St. Joseph Catholic Edition, Catholic Book Publishing Company
The Psalms - St. Joseph New Catholic Version, Catholic Book Publishing Company
Revised Psalms of the New American Bible
So You May Believe, A Translation of the Four Gospels, Alba House
Today's English Version, Second Edition, American Bible Society
Translation for Early Youth, A Translation of the New Testament for Children, Contemporary English Version, American Bible Society