Is Jesus a Christian?

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America cannot be an American, because it is not a person. Jesus is a person.

But America is American (adjective). We have democracy, the fourth of July, and even apple pie. Those are American cultural icons.

Jesus rose and ascended to heaven, as will Christians. Jesus is righteous before the Father, as are Christians.
 
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kenisyes said:
America cannot be an American, because it is not a person. Jesus is a person.

But America is American (adjective). We have democracy, the fourth of July, and even apple pie. Those are American cultural icons.

Jesus rose and ascended to heaven, as will Christians. Jesus is righteous before the Father, as are Christians.
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"Son of the Republic, look and learn,"

The Vision of George Washington
 
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Have you looked up the definition of the suffix -ian? If so, then you should know that Jesus didn't follow himself.

"It was in Antioch that the followers of the Lord Jesus were called 'Christ-followers' for the first time." (Acts 11:26 ERV)
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Christian: "A religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ (one of many Jewish messianic characters] and who is a member of a Christian ["Messiah" following] denomination" ~WordWeb Dictionary
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kenisyes said:
No, this is not a joke. Check out this post: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...between-christianity-judaism.html#post1060965 I think it calls for its own thread. There might be some really good historical and theological points to discuss here.
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The way I've always looked at it is that Judaism and Christianity are the same religion.......the perceived division of the two only comes from the fact that many Jewish people still do not recognize their own messiah. How accurate that viewpoint is can be debated I suppose but that's how I see it.
 
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4enlightment said:
"Son of the Republic, look and learn,"

The Vision of George Washington
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I know this is derailling, but it's my thread. Your post includes:
Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these continents arose thick black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men. These men, moving with the cloud marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities, which I had seen spring up.
This proves the vision wrong. America goes everywhere to attack. The other countries have not come here since, I think 1812. And there was never such a vast destruction, except when WE dropped the bomb on Japan.

PS Wasn't Washington a Mason?
 
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The way I've always looked at it is that Judaism and Christianity are the same religion.......the perceived division of the two only comes from the fact that many Jewish people still do not recognize their own messiah. How accurate that viewpoint is can be debated I suppose but that's how I see it.
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You are correct, of course. Much of my appreciation of the issue comes from Messianic Jews, who will not call themselves Christian, quoting Acts that the word was first used at Antioch, thus outside Jewish territory.

That division was present from the beginning. Jews crucified Jesus. Many thousands accepted Him on Pentecost, but the Jewish leaders still persecuted these.
 
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Is Jesus Christ (the epitome of Anointed), THE Anointed from which we become anointed by Him which is more descriptively: smeared, clothed, dripping, implying the tangible essence (from the reputation) of Godly; power, life, light and Agape love,
Then YES!
 
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If Jesus follows His own teachings, then would He not be a Christian (a follower of Christ)?
 
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You are correct, of course. Much of my appreciation of the issue comes from Messianic Jews, who will not call themselves Christian, quoting Acts that the word was first used at Antioch, thus outside Jewish territory.

That division was present from the beginning. Jews crucified Jesus. Many thousands accepted Him on Pentecost, but the Jewish leaders still persecuted these.
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I never knew the reason they chose to be identified as Messianic instead of Christian was because Antioch being outside Jewish territory. You learn something new everyday :).

I research Jewish thought on the matter myself. I've learned that a lot of Jewish people have never studied the New Testament at all......I was about to type up an excerpt of an amazing video I seen on why most Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as their messiah when I realized it would be better to post it. It's rather long but very well worth it if you haven't seen it.

[video=youtube;gvCJ-3KB9O0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCJ-3KB9O0[/video]


This is only part one but if anyone is interested in viewing more you can just click the youtube button and find it on that guys channel.
 
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I am he who transcend with God , I and the father are one .
God is not religious therefore he listen to the whole world .
 
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I am he who transcend with God , I and the father are one .
God is not religious therefore he listen to the whole world .
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Is that a yes or a no?
 
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No ! the words and wisdom was available for everyone's .
The teaching was for the whole world not for a specific category of peoples .
 
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Well the word "Christian" I understand to mean "Christ Like" or "Follower of Christ"...so I would have to say no.
because Christ is not "Christ Like" as He IS The Christ......and Christ is not a follower of Himself as He IS Himself.
 
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You are correct, of course. Much of my appreciation of the issue comes from Messianic Jews, who will not call themselves Christian, quoting Acts that the word was first used at Antioch, thus outside Jewish territory.

That division was present from the beginning. Jews crucified Jesus. Many thousands accepted Him on Pentecost, but the Jewish leaders still persecuted these.
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so, because Messianic Jews won't call themselves Christian because it involves something gentile, this is a good thing?

and no, Christianity and Judaism have ZERO in common.
since we haven't provided a definition of Judaism which would take us back to the Old Testament and up to Christ's Day, i guess nearly everyone here is assuming Judaism today is Biblical Torah.

it's not. it's the very religion Jesus condemned, and that religion condemns Jesus today.

nothing in common at all.
 
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It seems like these days people are fleeing from traditional terms due to perceived wrongs done by the collective who associates themselves with those terms.

Or people ask was Jesus a Christian, and if he wasn't does that mean calling ourselves a Christian is wrong?

Obviously Jesus didn't need to be justified of his sins by trusting in his own crucifixion and resurrection, as he sought daily to be conformed to his own image through the power of the Holy Spirit.

But does that mean we are not to be called Christians, or are not to do the GOOD stuff associated with that term? I say..OBVIOUSLY NOT!

We do have sins we need forgiven of, and we do need to conform to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Now do we have to label/title that as "Christianity"? NO!

But that is something we should certainly do.

We shouldn't flee from stuff we should do because on a highly technical level Jesus didn't do it. Some of this is as silly as trying to decide what is is.
 
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1still_waters said:
It seems like these days people are fleeing from traditional terms due to perceived wrongs done by the collective who associates themselves with those terms.

Or people ask was Jesus a Christian, and if he wasn't does that mean calling ourselves a Christian is wrong?

Obviously Jesus didn't need to be justified of his sins by trusting in his own crucifixion and resurrection, as he sought daily to be conformed to his own image through the power of the Holy Spirit.

But does that mean we are not to be called Christians, or are not to do the GOOD stuff associated with that term? I say..OBVIOUSLY NOT!

We do have sins we need forgiven of, and we do need to conform to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Now do we have to label/title that as "Christianity"? NO!

But that is something we should certainly do.

We shouldn't flee from stuff we should do because on a highly technical level Jesus didn't do it. Some of this is as silly as trying to decide what is is.
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