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I wasnt expressing anything other then the proclamations and where they are located, you need to read more carefully
But that's not what I understand from reading your last statements here, especially your final statement which suggests you believe that Luke 21:22 was already fulfilled some time in the past:

That is where Jesus closes" the book" of Isaiah cutting that saying short in Luke 4:21 that "this saying was fulfilled in their ears" but he continues the other proclamation of Isaiah 61:2 by picking it up in Luke 21:22 here

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things*** which are written may be fulfilled***.

At least it shows where both of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.



 
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But that's not what I understand from reading your last statements here, especially your final statement which suggests you believe that Luke 21:22 was already fulfilled some time in the past:




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Like I said you need to read more closely, I stated the proclamations themselves were fulfilled, he had to PROCLAIM the TIMES and in Luke 4 he cuts it short and states what was FULFILLED in their EARS but in the the latter one (not mentioned in Luke 4 but in Luke 21:22 that was not fulfilled in their ears.

Its exactly what I suggested, pay attention
 

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Like I said you need to read more closely, I stated the proclamations themselves were fulfilled, he had to PROCLAIM the TIMES and in Luke 4 he cuts it short and states what was FULFILLED in their EARS but in the the latter one (not mentioned in Luke 4 but in Luke 21:22 that was not fulfilled in their ears.

Its exactly what I suggested, pay attention
I don't believe you. That because you said this:

At least it shows where both of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.
 
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I don't believe you. That because you said this:

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Jesus was TO PROCLAIM two of those things, it shows WHERE he proclaimed the first in Luke 4 where he specifically says this saying is fulfulled in YOUR EARS and in Luke 21:22 is WHERE again his second proclamation of Isaiah is found since its Jesus job to proclaim the same and these are found where I have pointed them out.

You have a problem with it apparently but I do not know what else to tell you, you seem to desire to be argumentive about it.
 

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Jesus was TO PROCLAIM two of those things, it shows WHERE he proclaimed the first in Luke 4 where he specifically says this saying is fulfulled in YOUR EARS and in Luke 21:22 is WHERE again his second proclamation of Isaiah is found since its Jesus job to proclaim the same and these are found where I have pointed them out.

You have a problem with it apparently but I do not know what else to tell you, you seem to desire to be argumentive about it.
Can't say the Luke 21:22 proclamation was "fulfilled" by Jesus even though He did not say that part in their "ears". Reason is, because that "days of vengeance" is still... yet to come in our near future. I think you well understand that, but I don't know why you won't admit it.
 
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He did both, these are just split as to where he did so.

Jesus stops in Luke, but as we know Isaiah continues...

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of
vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

That is where Jesus closes" the book" of Isaiah cutting that saying short in Luke 4:21 that
"this saying was fulfilled in their ears" but he continues the other proclamation of Isaiah 61:2 by picking it up in Luke 21:22 here

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things*** which are written may be fulfilled***.

At least it shows whereboth of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.
Bumping it up to show I address WHERE these are fulfilled in Jesus and I am speaking specifically of the prophecy of Isaiah and am showing THOSE TWO things as fulfilled IN JESUS (and ONE in their hearing, which is Luke 4)
 
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Can't say the Luke 21:22 proclamation was "fulfilled" by Jesus even though He did not say that part in their "ears". Reason is, because that "days of vengeance" is still... yet to come in our near future. I think you well understand that, but I don't know why you won't admit it.
Isaiah said Jesus would PROCLAIM the days of vengeance and JESUS FULFILLED Isaiah;s TO PROCLAIM

You still arent listening, he stated what was fulfilled in their ears in Luke 4 and what would be, if you read Luke 21:22

Jesus proclaimed BOTH one he stated was fulfilled the other he did not, its a no brainer really,
 

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Jesus proclaimed BOTH one he stated was fulfilled the other he did not, its a no brainer really,
Now that's confusing. Jesus only proclaimed at His 1st coming that the first part of Isaiah 61:1-2 was fulfilled, not having read the last part of verse 2. It did NOT say that latter part was ever fulfilled, period. That because it still has not been fulfilled to this day.

What it sounds like is you are misunderstanding other Scripture where some say all Scripture was fulfilled with Jesus' first coming to die on the cross. If you study those NT Scriptures using the word "fulfilled" you'll find most of them were specific to certain events involving Christ's 1st coming and did not mean all... the OT prophecies were then fulfilled.

But this one, does not involve the fulfilling at His 1st coming Ministry:

Luke 21:22
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
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That "days of vengeance" will only be fulfilled on the final day with His 2nd coming; it's about the "day of the Lord" events per Bible prophecy. That's why that passage doesn't point to OT prophecy that was to be fulfilled at His 1st coming, it instead points to all OT prophecy involving the end of this present world.
 
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Now that's confusing...
I know this is very confusing for you but the anointed (our Jesus) was prophesied to speak on those things and I was showing where he spake of those things (as he himself mentions the same in each place) the first in Luke 4 which was also fulfilled in their hearing and the other in Luke 21 which was not fulfilled in their hearing (and so obviously not that this little discussion is ridiculous)

The woman at the well knew the Messiah would tell them all things

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ:
when he is come, he will tell us all things.

She must have had a clue about prophecy and what to expect a little of

Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.


 

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I know this is very confusing for you but the anointed (our Jesus) was prophesied to speak on those things and I was showing where he spake of those things (as he himself mentions the same in each place) the first in Luke 4 which was also fulfilled in their hearing and the other in Luke 21 which was not fulfilled in their hearing (and so obviously not that this little discussion is ridiculous)

The woman at the well knew the Messiah would tell them all things

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ:
when he is come, he will tell us all things.

She must have had a clue about prophecy and what to expect a little of

Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.


As long as you know the difference when that Luke 21:22 verse is to be fulfilled, which is at Christ's 2nd coming, that's what matters. And that time has not yet come today.
 
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As long as you know the difference when that Luke 21:22 verse is to be fulfilled, which is at Christ's 2nd coming, that's what matters. And that time has not yet come today.
As long as you know you (deep down) you were wrong grilling me over nothingt.

And what really matters is that I forgive you without expecting much of an apology from you.

As long as its called "To day"
 

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As long as you know the difference when that Luke 21:22 verse is to be fulfilled, which is at Christ's 2nd coming, that's what matters. And that time has not yet come today.
You are correct in that, Lk21:21 is regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. But verse 36 is referring to the resurrection and catching away, as how to escape that time period when Jesus said:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
 

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As long as you know you (deep down) you were wrong grilling me over nothingt.

And what really matters is that I forgive you without expecting much of an apology from you.

As long as its called "To day"
I am only sorry IF... you understand that Luke 21:22 passage has NOT yet been 'fulfilled' by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you agree to my statement above?
 
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... that Luke 21:22 passage has NOT yet been 'fulfilled' by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Luke 21:22 was not 'fulfilled' by our Lord Jesus Christ -- it was 'fulfilled' by the enemies of the Jews circa 70 A.D. :D :p ;)

:)
 

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You are correct in that, Lk21:21 is regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. But verse 36 is referring to the resurrection and catching away, as how to escape that time period when Jesus said:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Why insert a pre-trib rapture into that where there is none?

The event our Lord Jesus is telling them about escaping is that "day of the Lord" event of His wrath getting ready to be poured out upon the wicked on the final day of this world. The closest Scripture relation to that is when the dead bodies of God's two witnesses of Rev.11 suddenly stand up and are resurrected to the shock of all who see them.
 

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Luke 21:22 was not 'fulfilled' by our Lord Jesus Christ -- it was 'fulfilled' by the enemies of the Jews circa 70 A.D. :D :p ;)

:)
Hardly. The "days of vengeance" is about Christ's 2nd coming, which is still yet to occur today.
 
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I am only sorry IF... you understand that Luke 21:22 passage has NOT yet been 'fulfilled' by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you agree to my statement above?
Lets see ears that hear on a higher color volume (not to mention see where you can say "sorry") LOL

He did both, these are just split as to where he did so.

Jesus stops in Luke, but as we know Isaiah continues...

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of
vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

That is where Jesus closes" the book" of Isaiah cutting that saying short in Luke 4:21 that "this saying was fulfilled in their ears" but he continues the other proclamation of Isaiah 61:2 by picking it up in Luke 21:22 here


Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things*** which are written may be fulfilled***.

At least it shows where both of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.
Sorry, that kind of view doesn't work, because the event of Luke 21:22 has still YET TO HAPPEN. It has NOT been fulfilled yet, for that is for the time of His second coming which we still await today. That's why it includes this:

Luke 21:25-28
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
KJV
You have to laugh, three pages and wearing ear plugs still
 

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Lets see ears that hear on a higher color volume (not to mention see where you can say "sorry") LOL



You have to laugh, three pages and wearing ear plugs still
I take it then that you DO consider that Luke 21:22 Scripture as already... having been fulfilled. Thank you. I am not sorry then for what I said.
 
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Good to see you CAN say sorry as long as its in the context that you feel I am wrong, yet no matter all the color you add to something, highlight it (and underline it) if someone cannot see all the words in that post I dont know what to say.
 

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Good to see you CAN say sorry as long as its in the context that you feel I am wrong, yet no matter all the color you add to something, highlight it (and underline it) if someone cannot see all the words in that post I dont know what to say.
I am not sorry yet, because you have only suggested by your attitude that you consider that Luke 21:22 passage as already having been fulfilled by our Lord Jesus, when it has not.