"Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

[RickShafer]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

The prophecy about that land which is cursed is that the men are feeble.
- Thus women will rule over them, and children will be their oppressors.
- - It's not all lands, it's not all women, and it's certainly not all children.
- - - You can't mix and match prophecies to suit your dogma.
- - - - If that were the case one could claim ALL men evil because of Nabal.
- - - - - Or all angels evil because of Lucifer.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

The prophecy about that land in which is cursed is that the men are feeble.
- Thus women will rule over them, and children will be their oppressors.
- - It's not all lands, it's not all women, and it's certainly not all children.
- - - You can't mix and match prophecies to suit your dogma.
- - - - If that were the case one could claim ALL men evil because of Nabal.
- - - - - Or all Angels evil because of Lucifer.

There you go accusing again.

Concerning the content of debate on these Bible forums;
when in doubt, always look to the accusers.
They are always wrong.
- (See Solomon judging between two mothers: the one who would kill the child and the other who would give it away to save it's life.)
- - Enough said.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Rebellious women take weak men captive and fools trust in the wine of sour grapes. Word of wisdom

 

[josh123]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Men in general do not have authority over women.

The only men who have authority over Christian women are those who have submitted themselves to God's authority.

If a man is a drunkard who wants to beat and rape women, than he has NOT submitted to God and women are NOT obligated to submit to such treatment.

If the man is a hypocrite who twists the bible to make up rules about what should or should not be done but does not follow them himself, then that man is NOT representing God and should not be followed.

There are other examples.

I've seen arguments for and against having women preachers, and still haven't been convinced of either side.

I want to ask those who are against women preachers, how do they interact with those women who do preach behind the pulpit?

The line is drawn differently for different people.

Some exclude women from any decision making in the church at all.

some exclude women from preaching but not teaching Sunday school classes.

some allow women to preach as long as they are under a head male pastor.

Where is your line?

Are women allowed to be missionaries?

Teach Sunday school as long as the class is only made up of women and small children?

Or can a woman lead a class of mixed gender?

Can a woman preach as long as its under a male head pastor?

Can a woman be a head pastor of a church?

which ministries in the body of Christ do you believe are open or closed to women?

The point is women were created to help man, and are suppose to submit to their husbands and you are right the men that submitted their life to god, both the woman and man suppose to do this, also the bible said it is SHAMEFUL for a women to talk in a church meaning preach, the bible doesn't contradict itself everyone is doing the contradictions if it said it, it is done it is SHAMEFUL for a women to preach in a church 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 14:34-35[/h]

whoever goes against this the truth isn't in them... when i was younger i had a little knowledge about the bible since i grew up in a christian and a friend invited me to his church so i went and when we got there a woman was preaching on the pulpit now i remember reading the scripture where it does not permit a women to preach in church so i told my friend and he didn't believe me so we went and talk to the elder of the church and he said yes women are not suppose to preach in a church.. that's the thing also people know better but afraid to speak out the truth because they might get removed by the denomination.. i would rather stand for the truth and be hated by man than to ignore the truth written in the bible

 

[Ariel82]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

There you go accusing again.

no stillie its only accusing when you go against his position.

otherwise its called sound judgement or telling it how it is......

 

[josh123]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

it's just like the cutting of hair... it is written in the bible that women should not cut their hair but they still do it anyway But every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. [h=3]1 Corinthians 11:5[/h]

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Men rebel against Christ; women rebel against men and Christ.

 

[RickShafer]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

There you go accusing again.

What? I am pointing out the common occurrence to post video instead of scripture.
What does the Bible say about judging by outward appearance?

 

[josh123]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Men rebel against Christ; women rebel against men and Christ.

it's all the devil.. trying to pervert things.. look at evolution it is there to rebel against christ look at the women's rights movements it is there to rebel against the word of god when the bible said a woman has no authority to speak over a man.. it's all the devil perverting the minds of the people to lean on there own understanding Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. [h=3]1 Timothy 2:11-12[/h] but people making this a big deal for no reason also.. we are all one in CHRIST neither male nor female all one in christ the same. it's like how dare man question our creator and want to have authority over him? it's the same thing with the man and woman..

 

[RickShafer]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

no stillie its only accusing when you go against his position.

otherwise its called sound judgement or telling it how it is......

Stilly? - (Really)
- - "Oh no little Stilly" - (She's a preschool teacher, but I hardly think that qualifies her to address you as a four year old)
- - - Maybe you're right, maybe women should keep silent in the churches if they are going to refer to grown men by nicknames given to preadolescents.

- - - - "Little Stilly". - I like that.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

What? I am pointing out the common occurrence to post video instead of scripture.
What does the Bible say about judging by outward appearance?

You're accusing me of interpreting based on dogma, and preconceived notions..

- - - You can't mix and match prophecies to suit your dogma.

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...hes-has-ceased-still-today-7.html#post1159816

You are pasting scripture to your preconceived notions to horrific proportions.

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...hes-has-ceased-still-today-6.html#post1159804

Actually those were never my dogmatic or preconceived notions.
I used to believe similar to you.
I think a less accusatorial tone would simple be to say my interpretation is wrong, and then refrain from saying the interpretation is due to some less than good motives.

Oh and on a side note.
Someone personally CC mailed me yesterday saying everyone on the forums was just SUPER nice to me because I'm an admin. He suggested I make another name and post under that, then people would really give me tons of pushback.

Bwahahaha...

He's obviously never observed you and I discussing things.
You give tons of pushback.
AND...You're still here..proving you can disagree with a admin/mod and still exist...Well I mean unless one goes teaching extreme heresy or promoting sin. But you don't do that.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Stilly? - (Really)
- - "Oh no little Stilly" - (She's a preschool teacher, but I hardly think that qualifies her to address you as a four year old)
- - - Maybe you're right, maybe women should keep silent in the churches if they are going to refer to grown men by nicknames given to preadolescents.

- - - - "Little Stilly". - I like that.

It can haz been on my profile as a name to call me for years.

 

[Ariel82]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Stilly? - (Really)
- - "Oh no little Stilly" - (She's a preschool teacher, but I hardly think that qualifies her to address you as a four year old)
- - - Maybe you're right, maybe women should keep silent in the churches if they are going to refer to grown men by nicknames given to preadolescents.

- - - - "Little Stilly". - I like that.

Wow. I guess I should apologies for....somehow taking away Stillwater's dignity by calling him by affectionate nickname?

Nicknames are suppose to be silly, that is their nature.

but your right we should in all seriousness refer to each other by our REAL make believe screennames and not ones others give us because its SUCH a big issue.

So from your post, I'm getting a very shallow excuse and thinly veiled suggestion that I should sit down and shut up, because you don't like what i call ANOTHER man?

hmmm..........

 

[NiceneCreed]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Men rebel against Christ; women rebel against men and Christ.

What exactly does that mean?

 

[RickShafer]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Who am I accusing Still Waters?
I'm not the one judging by outward appearance.
I'm not of the few that post vid's to affirm my position.
I'm ONE who only uses the scripture.
- - I don't post film's. - ("See these evil people?!? - See what they are doing?!?") - As if one accosted by the Holy Spirit would be stately, reserved and civil.......

No, that ain't me.
Sorry, I just argue by the Word.
- - - I go by the Holy Writ.

 

[Ariel82]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

you are accusing people of "mix and match prophecies to suit your dogma "

but you prefer to call this judgement and only label those who post videos as false accusers.

its really kind of off topic. about women speaking/ teaching in church ( sorry Stilly) but you did ask.

<note: neither agree or disagree, just a statement/ summary of the conversation>

 

[Abiding]

Re: &quot;Women keep silent in the churches&quot;: Has that ceased or is it still for today?

you are accusing people of "mix and match prophecies to suit your dogma "

but you prefer to call this judgement and only label those who post videos as false accusers.

its really kind of off topic. about women speaking/ teaching in church ( sorry Stilly) but you did ask.

<note: neither agree or disagree, just a statement/ summary of the conversation>

very entertaining thread Ariel ..now who did you ask me to give this cup of cocoa?

 

[Ariel82]

Re: &quot;Women keep silent in the churches&quot;: Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Its ABIDING!

I loves abiding

ok I'm leaving thread now before getting kicked off it


<if you feed folks good food, then there won't be much talking from anybody for a short spell at least>

 

[Bookends]

Re: &quot;Women keep silent in the churches&quot;: Has that ceased or is it still for today?

In your opinion, is the directive for women to remain silent in the churches still for today as seen in the verses below?
Did it cease?
Was it for a certain time and place, and is no longer applicable for today?

If you're a cessationist on this issue, why?
If you're a continuist on this issue, why?

Please stay on topic.

1 Cor 14
As in all the churches of the saints, [SUP]34 [/SUP]the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. [SUP]39 [/SUP]So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But all things should be done decently and in order.

1) Why was this command only written to the Corinthian church?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. <---Period. What version are you using? IMO verse 33 ends a thought in the context of Church order, and 34 begins another thought of Church order, (I could be wrong, It was up to the translators to determine this who are also fallible) [SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak;

I would think this concept would be consistent with Paul's teaching through all his epistles and it's not. Thus I question if there was an underlying problem within this church.

2) In verse 31, Paul says ALL can prophesy, which is to mean give edification through the word to the saints, and not just men. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. Why didn't Paul exclude women here?

3) Women were often looked down upon in the culture and were uneducated back in the day. This has changed. It is very evident to me that Christ used Women through-out all of scripture that high-lights the role of women, rather then demoting them. God used Mary Magdalene to bring the news and teaching to the apostles for one example, but how foolish the apostles were who doubted and had to run to the tomb to see.

Thus I am on the fence on this one, but lean toward the notion that it is ok for women to preach, teach, pray, etc. but not a head elder or a leader of the flock (local gathering). I think it's a secondary issue that we can disagree over, debate over it, but not divide over it.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: &quot;Women keep silent in the churches&quot;: Has that ceased or is it still for today?

In your opinion, is the directive for women to remain silent in the churches still for today as seen in the verses below?
Did it cease?
Was it for a certain time and place, and is no longer applicable for today?

If you're a cessationist on this issue, why?
If you're a continuist on this issue, why?

Please stay on topic.

1 Cor 14
As in all the churches of the saints, [SUP]34 [/SUP]the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. [SUP]39 [/SUP]So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But all things should be done decently and in order.

In that day, things were out of order with the Corinthians gathering.
For to be in context of what was going on, start at the beginning of this letter 1 Cor.
They heard from Paul about being forgiven 100% by God through the Son Christ.
So after Paul left, they got the idea well we can do whatever we want since we are forgiven, why not drink up all the wine, eat the food before the others arrive, Have sex with whoever we want. And the shaven heads was the hookers that came there from the brothel above them, and they started preaching, we are not accountable we are forgiven, and What a mess there was in that gathering.
So here is 1 Cor. letter written to them to put them back under Law, seeing how they were still carnal and did not understand God's grace given through Christ.
So first if we are not Loving our neighbor as God ha\ and does Love us, then we need to be put under Law to lead us to Christ. So if one can't behave as in Love God's way, then they need the School Master.

For carnal mindedness, fighting, arguing divisions, are ye not carnal and in need of the Savior.
Hope this helps to see the context in need of Love of God to consider others and not be selfish against others wills.

Now they did get it, and had a Godly sorrow over the worldly one. 2 Cor. 7
Now when we walk in Love God's type in the Spirit by the resurrected Christ, Law is not needed.
But if one is still carnal, then Law needed. The Law is for the Law breakers, not believers in Christ, mature ones.