Do Jews Need Jesus? A Response to John Hagee and CUFI (Christians United for Israel)

BradC · Dec 4, 2013

zone said:

You get weirder and weirder by the day. You condemn the calling for war against the enemies of Israel but you would be the first to condone war against Israel to wipe them off the face of the earth because they count for nothing. Don't deny it, it is the absolute truth in your heart and in how you have expressed yourself against Israel and its people.

BradC · Dec 4, 2013

ServantStrike said:

Israel and its people have no possiblility to have dominion over all the nations without God intervening or ruling on their behalf. But when God does, the nations will stand in awe while Zone will be found in a fetal position because of fear.

wordsponge · Dec 4, 2013

Linda70 said:

The LORD Jesus (the Mighty God of Israel) knows
that any man who does such is his ENEMY:

Matt.12
[30] He who is not with me is against (ANTI) me
and he who does not gather with me (the hand of GOD) scatters abroad.

He is also the Father's enemy.

Isa.11
[11] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord (GOD the Father)
shall set his HAND (Jesus) again,
the second time to recover (gather) the Remnant of his (good) people,
who shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros,
and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath,
and from the islands of the sea.

RedTent · Dec 4, 2013

We are not here on Christian Chat to gossip about a man but to reason together about scripture!

I think the entire Christian community needs to step back from the Jewish/gentile problem. We have these words in Romans:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

There are mysteries about this race of people that God has not given us complete understanding of.

I have witnessed to Jews, have you? I found that for them to listen to me, I must listen to them, too. They have some interesting things to say. They wonder that we have so little reverence for God. They feel that everything they do in their every day life has a spiritual side, they wonder that we can live without ever thinking of that. Even Jews who are adamant that Jesus was not the messiah know that the Messiah exists and will come.

We know we must have Christ, and God sees all people the same. So we know the Jews must have Christ, but I don't think we understand all of God's way with the Jews.

Linda70 · Dec 4, 2013

BradC,

Here is a link to Jewish evangelism ministry, Jewish Awareness Ministries. The topic of this article is "Jewish Missions and the Great Commission. There are 5 articles in that series of Jewish Missions. This ministry is my favorite.

JEWISH MISSIONS AND THE GREAT COMMISSION | Israel News | Bible Prophecies | Proclaiming Messiah | Jewish Awareness Ministries

I am not against John Hagee as a person, but I am very saddened that he chooses not to share and evangelize the Jewish people. Therefore, I am against the "empty" message of dual covenant theology he preaches to the Jews.

Have you heard of Dr. Michael Brown? I am listening to part two of "How to Witness to the Jews" on youtube. Dr. Michael Brown is a born again Christian who is ethnically Jewish.

zone · Dec 4, 2013

BradC said:

that's right i do.

CHRISTIANS DON'T CALL FOR WAR.

BradC said:

see how sick this is?
it's a sickness RED.

CHRISTIANS DON'T CALL FOR WAR.

BradC said:

zone · Dec 5, 2013

RedTent said:

Muslims wonder the same thing redtent.
neither of them have, or acknowledge God.
stop pretending they do.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

RedTent said:

so do Hindus and Jehovah's Witnesses.

RedTent said:

huh?
big deal.
Muslims believe their messiah is coming too...nobody accepts that do they?

the Gospel is offensive.
scandalous.
if it isn't offensive, you're not preaching it.

1 John 2
22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

tell me who is excluded from this.
that's what it says. it has said the very same thing for 2000 years.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 5, 2013

BradC said:

What a despicable person you are lusting after war in the name of Christ.

zone · Dec 5, 2013

which ones does Jesus like better?
how can you tell?

alexis · Dec 5, 2013

It's simple everyone needs Jesus...

zone · Dec 5, 2013

alexis said:

alexis....

isn't this an odd idea?:

Re: Do Jews Need Jesus?

who would ever ask such a question.
why would we even need to?

you are right.

"It's simple everyone needs Jesus"

good girl.

jb · Dec 5, 2013

tripsin said:

He must be past his "sell by date" then!

zone · Dec 5, 2013

BradC said:

what total rubbish.
then stop pumping billions in welfare over there and having christian soldiers (sinfully) laying down their lives, and taking their own lives at 22 per day due to your stupid dispensatioanlist war-mongering.

if you stop propping that all up with violence and subservience to openly lost, antichrist people (just like everybody else who denies the Son) who openly deny and ridicule the Son - Jesus is His Name - and see how long it lasts before God intervenes.

you got it all backwards.

zone · Dec 5, 2013

just look at this carnality...and buy a clue about the PLAN:

Netanyahu To Pope: Israel Won’t Rely On Others To Take Care Of Iran Nuclear Threat

By: Jewish Press Staff Published: December 4th, 2013 Latest update: December 5th, 2013

This sentiment echoes that of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who said that “ties with the U.S. are decreasing, we need additional allies,” indicating the need for new economic collaborations, but not for a new strategic ally to replace the United States. “What, should we not open a window to China? That’s absurd. This obviously would not mean that tomorrow we will sign a defense alliance contract with China. Other collaborations exist with countries in Europe, and that’s good,” said Netanyahu.

The Jewish Press - Breaking News, Opinions, Analysis and More on Israel and the Jewish World

what?
used up, and sold down the road.

nkz0 · Dec 5, 2013

i was wondering if the Lord in His holy word ever said He will make a covenant with Gentiles? If so please i need to know

zone · Dec 5, 2013

nkz0 said:

Genesis 22
15And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven 16and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, 18and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”

Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Brother_Don · Dec 5, 2013

Jesus said that He is the way, the truth, and the life. someone that would teach otherwise, would be calling Jesus a liar. When we all stand before the Great Throne, we will all see who Jesus is, and fall to our knees.

RedTent · Dec 5, 2013

nkz0 said:

This is something we all need to know. Who is God the God of? Why did God create a race of people separate from gentiles? How do those people relate to us? When God made covenants with those people, did He have us in mind at all, and where do we fit in? Does God see people by race and color?

I think God sees all people as equal, that God created the Hebrew race with all people in mind. God said he used them for our benefit.

john832 · Dec 5, 2013

nkz0 said:

Yes, but He will bring the Gentiles into the Covenant through Israel...

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Just as a stranger could become an Israelite and under the Old Covenant, the Gentiles will come into the New Covenant by becoming a spiritual Israelite.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Here is what the future holds for Israel, Germany and Egypt...

Isa 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
Isa 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Isa 19:21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
Isa 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

zone · Dec 5, 2013

john832 said:

will?
through israel?

where does the Bible say anything like that

oh brother.
are you serious?
are you hanging off in no covenant land?

Jer 31:31 was fulfilled before the gentiles were called, there friend.
amazing.

john832 said:

you can't see that?

who is speaking there?
well, it's paul.

john832 said:

21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow to the LORD, and perform it.

Do sacrifice: The Mosaic sacrificial system was established for Jews with Egyptian converts also taking part in offering sacrifices through the priests and Levites and continued until the Egyptian Temple was destroyed shortly after 70 A.D

They shall vow: Lest they anger the LORD, Ptolemy and Cleopatra fulfilled this part of the prophecy for their own protection from the heavenly powers.

22 And the LORD shall strike Egypt: he shall strike and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be entreated of them, and shall heal them. 23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Peace between Assyria and Egypt: This promised peace which was to result from building the Temple would be of particular appeal to Ptolemy because just then Assyria and Egypt were in an interminable adversarial relationship, the end of which would be a blessing indeed. Thus these passages were used by Onias to convince Ptolemy that God had called him directly to build the alternative Temple. Peace was imposed on these former competitors by the Romans.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

Verse 24: Futurists all see this as a part of the so-called Millennial Kingdom of 1000 future years which is fancifully attached to the "Pretribulation-Rapture Dispensational Premillenialism" doctrine that they have troubled the Christian religion with since 1830. Although the doctrine did not become popular until the end of the 1960's. Its popularity is part of the philosophical season of the existential abandonment of the past as relevant to the present. In the season of existentialism history becomes irrelevant. One of the continuing factors in this doctrine is the reestablishment of the Jewish State in Palestine which is a harbinger, to the Premillenialists, of the imminence of the "rapture" when they, the so-called true believers, will all disappear, in an unseen second coming of Jesus As fantastic as this doctrine is it has many adherents in the Evangelical Christian World and is looked on with approval by Zionists, who use the religious motives of the "Pre-Mils" to gain sympathy for their Zionist goals. This is not to criticize the political interests of Zionism, but to call attention to the motivation behind the "Pre-Mil" backing of the Jewish state. They believe its establishment is a necessary precursor of their supposed "secret" Rapture which, according to them, will be followed within seven years by the setting up of the Millennial Kingdom in Jerusalem with Jesus literally ruling on planet Earth for 1000 years with headquarters in West Jerusalem. It is small wonder that the Christian religion is held in such disrepute by educated unbelievers. Their problem is not unbelief it is rather being appalled at such credulity.

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