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I have been reading all the writings here.
Is there anyone who does not understand Psalm 22? Anyone who has never read it?
Even if they have not yet read it, and even if they do not understand it, are you claiming they are not Christ's people?
You see Jesus in Psalm 22, correct? Why then do you not kindly teach it, showing Jesus in it instead of claiming you have special knowledge or are more sanctified? Have you read and understood every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? It seems that if something is found in the sacred writing of the Old Testament they are more Holy than the New? Who is the they you speak of? Who can not see? What is it they do not see?
Is there anyone who does not understand Psalm 22? Anyone who has never read it?
Even if they have not yet read it, and even if they do not understand it, are you claiming they are not Christ's people?
You see Jesus in Psalm 22, correct? Why then do you not kindly teach it, showing Jesus in it instead of claiming you have special knowledge or are more sanctified? Have you read and understood every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? It seems that if something is found in the sacred writing of the Old Testament they are more Holy than the New? Who is the they you speak of? Who can not see? What is it they do not see?
Always ignoring the fact that those Two are the summation of the Ten...
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
They are a brief summary of the Ten Commandments just as Love is the brief summary of the Two Great Commandments.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
They are a brief summary of the Ten Commandments just as Love is the brief summary of the Two Great Commandments.
Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.
And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.
And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
You can dance around it however you want, break any of the others and you have broken one of the 2 Greatest Commandments.
"hang all the Law"
"and all other commandments are briefly summed up"
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
"hang all the Law"
"and all other commandments are briefly summed up"
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
If there has been a change in the Law of Yahweh that would make Yahshua a liar:
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahshua is NOT a liar, the priestly Laws are still in effect, carried out by Yahshua Himself, sacrificial Law has had its true purpose completed, but if it were done away how would you and I being born 2000 years later have recieved this Sacrifice? If it were done away there would no longer be a Law on the books to make blood be able to cleanse sin.
They will never teach that at the olde kirk.
Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
Elin, you have quoted in the NT that which is of the OT. You say this is how to keep them all. Do you keep them all? Which ones do you not keep and why do you not keep them? Do you keep the 4th commandment? Do you keep the 5th or the 2nd? Are you sure you keep all that those two commandments teach us?
The word is grace and law. Not grace or law. The law does not save, but the law is how we show God and man that we are saved by grace. This includes all of Torah. Yes, there are certain commands that we cannot do in the 21st century. However, Jesus showed us that while He walked on this earth while there was no Ark of the Covenant and Mercy Seat in the now empty Holy of Holies. This very knowledge, exhibited by Christ, we can and should observe all that we are able to, with the understanding that which is "missing" for now will be "restored and renewed" again in the future.
The word is grace and law. Not grace or law. The law does not save, but the law is how we show God and man that we are saved by grace. This includes all of Torah. Yes, there are certain commands that we cannot do in the 21st century. However, Jesus showed us that while He walked on this earth while there was no Ark of the Covenant and Mercy Seat in the now empty Holy of Holies. This very knowledge, exhibited by Christ, we can and should observe all that we are able to, with the understanding that which is "missing" for now will be "restored and renewed" again in the future.
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I guess you two need to make a list of what laws were abrogated by the New Covenant.
Certainly you can both agree that the sacrificial system, the Levitical priesthood (and with it all the laws of ceremonial cleanliness), and the governmental laws have been abrogated.
Can we all at least agree on that?
Certainly you can both agree that the sacrificial system, the Levitical priesthood (and with it all the laws of ceremonial cleanliness), and the governmental laws have been abrogated.
Can we all at least agree on that?
Why would you suppose laws like this are abrogated?
Deu 23:13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse.
The New Covenant makes it acceptable for human feces to be left around everywhere? Or better yet, in America we are much more advanced, we dump it in our drinking water.
Deu 23:13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse.
The New Covenant makes it acceptable for human feces to be left around everywhere? Or better yet, in America we are much more advanced, we dump it in our drinking water.
depend on.
If you worshp a god you dont love Yahweh, if you make an idol you dont love Yahweh
If you covet you dont love your neighbor, if you are racists (Ex19:34) you dont love your neighbor, if you steal you dont love your neighbor.
Shaul broke it down perfectly, I will post it again:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
If you worshp a god you dont love Yahweh, if you make an idol you dont love Yahweh
If you covet you dont love your neighbor, if you are racists (Ex19:34) you dont love your neighbor, if you steal you dont love your neighbor.
Shaul broke it down perfectly, I will post it again:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."