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wanderer6059

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Lol I think someone just proved you wrong
i pray for God to destroy evil because like Him i hate evil. now if that means only the evil in your heart and you will be saved i will rejoice and praise Him. but if that means your destruction i will morn and sorrowfully pray for your mercy
 
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38miles

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I will say this. I'm not sure If you have a child or not, but will you put sickness on your own child?

Also if your child was sick would you not do what was needed for that child to get better?

I believe I know your answer to both those questions. So why wouldn't the Farther do the same for us who He sent his only Son for? Do we love each other and care for each other more than God does?
You know the answer--He has two wills. You knowingly choose "simiel" as a name, and even went so far on another thread when someone questioned it to give the more common rendering of the Talmudic name "samael" -- the angel of death, as well as Esau's guardian. Why pick a name that has to do with the destructive will of God? Why come to CC chat with a purpose of causing dissension? You have your two followers: Cobus and GiS--nice job. I believe GiS even called you a "teacher". We all are and have a body of work. Your's looks like this: "Anyone heal anyone at Walmart lately?" Do you see how you were trolling/fishing? With great power comes responsibility. 1) I don't think you show yourself responsible or even cognizant of how you represent your faith, and how disrespectful it comes at followers of Christ. You know the answer to the question--God hated Esau. Does God make people sick? He hardens hearts. He stops people from perceiving. He sends the angel of death, or "you" if you want to be your moniker.

2) my discernment from the beginning is this: you're in a game. The sad part....REALLY....is that I and others have played along. Shame on me. Caps lock "really" was for cobus because he is addicted to them, yet not sinfully so.
 
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You know the answer--He has two wills. You knowingly choose "simiel" as a name, and even went so far on another thread when someone questioned it to give the more common rendering of the Talmudic name "samael" -- the angel of death, as well as Esau's guardian. Why pick a name that has to do with the destructive will of God? Why come to CC chat with a purpose of causing dissension? You have your two followers: Cobus and GiS--nice job. I believe GiS even called you a "teacher". We all are and have a body of work. Your's looks like this: "Anyone heal anyone at Walmart lately?" Do you see how you were trolling/fishing? With great power comes responsibility. 1) I don't think you show yourself responsible or even cognizant of how you represent your faith, and how disrespectful it comes at followers of Christ. You know the answer to the question--God hated Esau. Does God make people sick? He hardens hearts. He stops people from perceiving. He sends the angel of death, or "you" if you want to be your moniker.

2) my discernment from the beginning is this: you're in a game. The sad part....REALLY....is that I and others have played along. Shame on me. Caps lock "really" was for cobus because he is addicted to them, yet not sinfully so.
Just curious where it say Samael is an angel or is the guardian angel of Esau? (I don't beleive in guardian angels personally.) Or even that it is the name of the angel of Death. I thought someone said Samael=Samuel. I could be wrong. Does anyone know what it means etymology wise? My understanding of the Bible is that all such names are suppose to be titles rather than names. I am honestly just curious on this regard.

Maybe whether it is good or bad, let me ask this question in all objectivity; why did you pick that name Simiel?
(For me personally I picked my screenname because it is the bedrock of my belief. My real name is Patrick by the way.)

And yes I regard simiel here as my teacher, and so are you 38miles, and so is Arwen, and so is wanderer.
 

wanderer6059

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Just curious where it say Samael is an angel or is the guardian angel of Esau? (I don't beleive in guardian angels personally.) Or even that it is the name of the angel of Death. I thought someone said Samael=Samuel. I could be wrong. Does anyone know what it means etymology wise? My understanding of the Bible is that all such names are suppose to be titles rather than names. I am honestly just curious on this regard.

Maybe whether it is good or bad, let me ask this question in all objectivity; why did you pick that name Simiel?
(For me personally I picked my screenname because it is the bedrock of my belief. My real name is Patrick by the way.)

And yes I regard simiel here as my teacher, and so are you 38miles, and so is Arwen, and so is wanderer.
i pm you the name meaning
 
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38miles

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That's Kabbalah and the name is simil, or samael. None of it really matters. I again should have left this alone. I'm going to go lash myself like the monks of the Middle Ages used to.

And I was quoting Psalm 22:6 before. No man can come to God upright. My understanding of Matt 16:24 is in the word "doulos". Denial of self to pursue willful servitude of the Most High. This is the same spirit I perceive in the apostles. I pray that I will always follow and serve God's call in this manner...humbly, lowly, a saved sinner undeserving of His grace.


Just curious where it say Samael is an angel or is the guardian angel of Esau? (I don't beleive in guardian angels personally.) Or even that it is the name of the angel of Death. I thought someone said Samael=Samuel. I could be wrong. Does anyone know what it means etymology wise? My understanding of the Bible is that all such names are suppose to be titles rather than names. I am honestly just curious on this regard.

Maybe whether it is good or bad, let me ask this question in all objectivity; why did you pick that name Simiel?
(For me personally I picked my screenname because it is the bedrock of my belief. My real name is Patrick by the way.)

And yes I regard simiel here as my teacher, and so are you 38miles, and so is Arwen, and so is wanderer.
 
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@38miles Please don't lash or self-mutilate yourself, for that is not good for you nor is it biblically sound. If you must chastise yourself, like you pointed out in those goodly scriptures, just deny yourself whatever pleasure, put on the sackcloth literal or metaphorical. I don't want you harmed. You are a good guy man.

As for Simiel's screen name let him answer my question of why he picked said screenname for himself.

I personally do not trust Talmud/kabbalah sources for I know what they really are, so let us let him answer for himself. It is the only fair way and I do not want any misinterpretation here or words put into his mouth. This is of the utmost importance. Please have understanding.
 
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Do you judge me from my name or from the fruit I bear?

Simiel can be spelled many different ways and each spelling have its own meaning. I liked the way the named sound that's why I chose it.

You should watch what you say wanderer for you speak judgment upon yourself.

I see you didn't answer my question about if you had children... God only has one will and that is life and that in abundance.
 
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Do you judge me from my name or from the fruit I bear?

Simiel can be spelled many different ways and each spelling have its own meaning. I liked the way the named sound that's why I chose it.

You should watch what you say wanderer for you speak judgment upon yourself.

I see you didn't answer my question about if you had children... God only has one will and that is life and that in abundance.
Understand brother I am not judging you by your name or your fruit. You did state in the other thread that another way to spell it is Samael.

I am wondering why you picked Simiel, Samael. Or maybe to put it another way; what is the significance of the name to you? What is the meaning you give unto it?

You may be the judge of your own name, but for once here you play coy with me brother, I ask you please in Jesus name to tell me and be honest with me as I have been honest with you. Even if it is for the darkest of reasons you have picked this name, I will not hold it against you because you are my brother, but this is something I must know.
 

wanderer6059

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Do you judge me from my name or from the fruit I bear?

Simiel can be spelled many different ways and each spelling have its own meaning. I liked the way the named sound that's why I chose it.

You should watch what you say wanderer for you speak judgment upon yourself.

I see you didn't answer my question about if you had children... God only has one will and that is life and that in abundance.
1 we are not judging your name but asking why a Christian would choose a name that comes from another religion, and every way you spell it is evil. why as a Christian would you us it? why don't you change it now that you know it is evil in origin?

2 why should i watch what i say? i speak the truth... sounds like you are getting angry with me. are you upset because i shine the light of Christ on you and show your darkness? if so its ok we are here with loving arms to bring you back to the Lord.

3 my child would live as God made them with sickness to show they can have happiness living a life of suffering for Christ, leaving me to be with God early because they are the Fathers children more then mine. i don't shape there life God does...
 
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1 we are not judging your name but asking why a Christian would choose a name that comes from another religion, and every way you spell it is evil. why as a Christian would you us it? why don't you change it now that you know it is evil in origin?

2 why should i watch what i say? i speak the truth... sounds like you are getting angry with me. are you upset because i shine the light of Christ on you and show your darkness? if so its ok we are here with loving arms to bring you back to the Lord.

3 my child would live as God made them with sickness to show they can have happiness living a life of suffering for Christ, leaving me to be with God early because they are the Fathers children more then mine. i don't shape there life God does...
Lol you can't make me angry not one bit.. I know love when I see it and you are far from it.
 
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Understand brother I am not judging you by your name or your fruit. You did state in the other thread that another way to spell it is Samael.

I am wondering why you picked Simiel, Samael. Or maybe to put it another way; what is the significance of the name to you? What is the meaning you give unto it?

You may be the judge of your own name, but for once here you play coy with me brother, I ask you please in Jesus name to tell me and be honest with me as I have been honest with you. Even if it is for the darkest of reasons you have picked this name, I will not hold it against you because you are my brother, but this is something I must know.
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
 

wanderer6059

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Lol you can't make me angry not one bit.. I know love when I see it and you are far from it.
you seem upset though even calming i don't show love. i don't know if that is because you feel i am pushing you, or if it is an evil in you lashing out. but know i am just trying to help you, i am just trying to help you my the power of Christ and His love that i am showing you now. so i ask you again and say we are not judging your name but asking why a Christian would choose a name that comes from another religion, and every way you spell it is evil. why as a Christian would you us it? why don't you change it now that you know it is evil in origin? if it is a cry for help simiel we are hear we can show you were to go for help.
 

wanderer6059

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As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
Just a name in my book.

that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....

are you saying you use that book simiel?....

or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses
 
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As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
May I ask which book brother that I may have greater understanding? Please brother, you know I do love you no matter how far you have strayed. I know that you have picked this name for a reason other than what you are telling me. I beg you brother do not hide this from me. We can work past this brother. By the grace of Jesus anyone can be saved by His Name. I am not asking you to change your screen name but you must be honest with me brother, I do love you. I do not want you to fall into that woman's mystery and I will pray for you to get closer to Jesus. I am no better or worse than you brother, please, if you love me as a brother as I love you do not hide this from me.

EDIT: you can PM me if you wish it brother, I understand how you might not want to discuss such in public after they have scrutinized you such for days.
 
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you seem upset though even calming i don't show love. i don't know if that is because you feel i am pushing you, or if it is an evil in you lashing out. but know i am just trying to help you, i am just trying to help you my the power of Christ and His love that i am showing you now. so i ask you again and say we are not judging your name but asking why a Christian would choose a name that comes from another religion, and every way you spell it is evil. why as a Christian would you us it? why don't you change it now that you know it is evil in origin? if it is a cry for help simiel we are hear we can show you were to go for help.
Believe what you like my brother.

Your name is wanderer which means to go astray.. Did you go astray 6,509 times? Are you still wandering? Can you not find the correct path for the road that leads to life is narrow. Lol but I will not judge you on your name but on what you say. I will ask you to put the same words that you say in Jesus mouth. If it don't sound right coming from Him it shouldn't be In yours for you are a "Christ"ian.
 

wanderer6059

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Believe what you like my brother.

Your name is wanderer which means to go astray.. Did you go astray 6,509 times? Are you still wandering? Can you not find the correct path for the road that leads to life is narrow. Lol but I will not judge you on your name but on what you say. I will ask you to put the same words that you say in Jesus mouth. If it don't sound right coming from Him it shouldn't be In yours for you are a "Christ"ian.
my name is wanderer because i wander the dark leading the lost to Christ, and pulling the evil into Gods light
6059 is a place that is important to me

i feel your anger, i feel your words lash out at me like venom but the Lord my God is with me you do not deceive me if you are hear for help let it be known brother and i will help you

but again i ask

Just a name in my book.

that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....

are you saying you use that book simiel?....

or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses
 

Rachel20

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You know the answer--He has two wills. You knowingly choose "simiel" as a name, and even went so far on another thread when someone questioned it to give the more common rendering of the Talmudic name "samael" -- the angel of death, as well as Esau's guardian. Why pick a name that has to do with the destructive will of God? Why come to CC chat with a purpose of causing dissension? You have your two followers: Cobus and GiS--nice job. I believe GiS even called you a "teacher". We all are and have a body of work. Your's looks like this: "Anyone heal anyone at Walmart lately?" Do you see how you were trolling/fishing? With great power comes responsibility. 1) I don't think you show yourself responsible or even cognizant of how you represent your faith, and how disrespectful it comes at followers of Christ. You know the answer to the question--God hated Esau. Does God make people sick? He hardens hearts. He stops people from perceiving. He sends the angel of death, or "you" if you want to be your moniker.

2) my discernment from the beginning is this: you're in a game. The sad part....REALLY....is that I and others have played along. Shame on me. Caps lock "really" was for cobus because he is addicted to them, yet not sinfully so.

Actually this guy really didn't answer my questions.

He just runs away when it gets too uncomfortable for him.

If anything he's teaching some strategies like


Duck and cover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Not really what the Bible says right?

1 Peter 3:5
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
 
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What was your question my sister? Not uncomfortable, rather things be discussed in a godly manner.
 

Rachel20

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Quoting Mr. Simiel -

Originally Posted by Simiel
I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man.



John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Was Jesus the Word? Did the Word stop being the Word?


Matthew 1:18

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.



Which other man present on earth was born this way through a virgin?




*Sigh*

I had to go back through the pages, for this. Happy answering!
 

wanderer6059

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What was your question my sister? Not uncomfortable, rather things be discussed in a godly manner.
you said:Just a name in my book. when asked about your screen name

that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....

are you saying you use that book simiel?....

or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses