Manifest Sons of God doctrine

[Praus]

yeah and you deny He was 100% God in the flesh while on earth so you are rejecting His truth

I don't remember denying that..

You wrote it, not us.

I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Run GodIsSalvation or we will be stoned together lol

Lol well hey that's not too bad a thing. At least I won't be caught holding their coats and be counted as the least of the apostles like Paul (though I personally think Paul was still an okay dude, don't get me wrong. That's just what Paul himself said.)

 

[wanderer6059]

I'm not alone.

How do you know what Satan wants? I know what Satan wants, I read the Bible from cover to cover. I am not concerned with what that stupid worm, the stupidest of all beings in the universe wants. I am more concerned with learning about what the ultimate intellect, Jesus, wants.

and that is your fall denying he is that week, you by your self he will ravage. the one second that 1% get you you are as good as dead

 

[Rachel20]

Simiel is correct and we are wrong?

Quoting Mr. Simiel -

I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Was Jesus the Word? Did the Word stop being the Word?

Matthew 1:18

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.


Which other man present on earth was born this way through a virgin?

 

[Arwen4CJ]

I have read the context of the verses he's posted and you've posted. He has in fact kept them in context.

Where has Simiel stated that Jesus was not God? I have not seen him claim this once. I have seen you claim he said that, but I have not seen him claim it himself.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82687-people-say-im-crazy-7.html

Post #136
Good response. Peter mind was carnal of humans wisdom which is from satan.

Could not the same happen to Jesus? He came down as a man not God. For we know God can't be tempted.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82687-people-say-im-crazy-8.html

Post #141
As I said b4 God couldn't be tempted. He did everything as a man to show that we all could do the same with his Spirit. Same as I am in Christ and Christ is in I.. But can I be tempted? Yes

So if your asking me was Jesus God no. But was they 1 yep.

Post #145
Yes I've heard of Bill Johnson, never listened to his teachings or his theology. I look up to Jesus and what he says.

Could Jesus do the things he did with out Gods spirit?

Post #153
Jesus or God in the flesh which ever to your likening.. Said if you love me you will keep my commandments. So how do we show God we love him?? We keep his commandments

Jesus/God said if you believe in me you will do the works I do and greater works.. Also he said if you believe in me you will lay hands on the sick and they will recover , you will cast out devils, speak in new tongues and drink anything poisonous it will not hurt you.. So how do we show God we believe in him.. Wow amazing right so simple. These are your our God words is it not???

I believe he sent himself down just as a man. So mankind wouldn't have any excuses of why we didn't do such and such.. He model a way of life for us because he want us to still subdue the earth which was his plan for us from the beginning. I don't understand why others can't see this.. Did not all the 12 apostles do these thing? All 72 disciples ? The Corinth church? Paul also. Pleas share why they can do it but we can't?? Or do you believe they also was false teachers??

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82687-people-say-im-crazy-16.html

Post #302
I will say this.... Can God be tempted?? Was Jesus tempted??

As I say again Jesus did not >>come down<<< as God...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/83032-manifest-sons-god-doctrine-2.html

Post #24
I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man.

As I keep saying in this thread, to deny Jesus' deity while on earth is to deny His deity.

And its not about him taking one or two verses but the fact he has taken many verses that all fit in context to what he's saying and fit into the larger context of the Bible story. I've read the Bible I know what it's point is. Simiel is correct and you are wrong. You are just too hardhearted to admit it. Look I admitted it when I questioned him. I even admitted I have more to learn. So let's learn together and let's all get closer to Jesus is my opinion.

This stoning of Stephen has to stop man. I can't bear to watch it anymore.

We all have more to learn. That doesn't mean it's okay to ignore it when someone denies Jesus' full deity.

 

[Simiel]

You wrote it, not us.

I don't see me denying it in there no where. Let me get my glasses

 

[wanderer6059]

Lol well hey that's not too bad a thing. At least I won't be caught holding their coats and be counted as the least of the apostles like Paul (though I personally think Paul was still an okay dude, don't get me wrong. That's just what Paul himself said.)

i would consider it a blessing to be like paul and love that the Lord sees me like him, how can you see him as less or more than you

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Aren't you being a bit untruthful here? Feigning innocence and lack of knowledge on certain topics but you're able to defend your friend on these very claims?

feigning innocence? I have told you all everything I've ever been guilty of. I have admitted everything I do not udnerstand fully and asked questions that I do not know so that you might answer.

Lol, though if you are calling me wise I suppose I should thank you greatly.

 

[Simiel]

so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven

This verse came to my head. Idk why

 

[Rachel20]

As I keep saying in this thread, to deny Jesus' deity while on earth is to deny His deity.


We all have more to learn. That doesn't mean it's okay to ignore it when someone denies Jesus' full deity.

People can be very deceptive about things and not be upfront as I posted earlier.

All we can do is show them scripture and see how they respond. For the rest of us, hopefully we test the spirits and watch their fruits so as to not get deceived as well.

 

[Simiel]

Quoting Mr. Simiel -



John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Was Jesus the Word? Did the Word stop being the Word?

Matthew 1:18

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.


Which other man present on earth was born this way through a virgin?

Adam was born from the ground and God.. What does that make Adam?

 

[wanderer6059]

feigning innocence? I have told you all everything I've ever been guilty of. I have admitted everything I do not udnerstand fully and asked questions that I do not know so that you might answer.

Lol, though if you are calling me wise I suppose I should thank you greatly.

think he is asking you how can you talk of knowing little but defend the points simiel is making. basically how can you say he is right when you know nothing about what is being talked about

 

[Praus]

Lol well hey that's not too bad a thing. At least I won't be caught holding their coats and be counted as the least of the apostles like Paul (though I personally think Paul was still an okay dude, don't get me wrong. That's just what Paul himself said.)

Here's something for you to read while your busy comparing yourself to the Apostle Paul:

Gal 1:7-9 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[wanderer6059]

so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven

This verse came to my head. Idk why

Gods trying to say He will forgive you if you turn from your insanity to His truth.....

 

[Rachel20]

feigning innocence? I have told you all everything I've ever been guilty of. I have admitted everything I do not udnerstand fully and asked questions that I do not know so that you might answer.

Lol, though if you are calling me wise I suppose I should thank you greatly.

Nope I am not calling you wise.

In fact I said you were not being truthful in how much you claim to know about these movements. If you claim to not know these topics well, and yet come to the defense of your friend's position, either you're lying about how much you know or you're loyal.

Anyway this is what the Bible has to say in the latter case.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

 

[wanderer6059]

Adam was born from the ground and God.. What does that make Adam?

Adem means dust,dirt,clay in hebrew.

he was the first human made in Gods own image, then corrupted by the fall.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

@arwen, ya all those statements are supported by the Gospels, sorry to inform you. The Son of God was a Man. Look, Simiel justh ave a hard time explaining it to you people. What he is saying is God the Father is the one up past the heavens sitting on His throne now, today, everyday, for always. His Holy Spirit is in all things and moved across the waters and created, well, everything. His Son is his fleshy incarnation if you will bear such a term. Thus it is Jesus was a Man, but He was also God, and he of course had His Holy Spirit.

Do you understand now?

 

[Rachel20]

Adam was born from the ground and God.. What does that make Adam?

Where does it say Adam was born out of ground and God? Adam was made of dust.

MADE. NOT BORN OF?

Don't speak lies


Genesis 2:7
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

 

[Praus]

Adam was born from the ground and God.. What does that make Adam?

The Bible says nothing of Adam being born.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Nope I am not calling you wise.

In fact I said you were not being truthful in how much you claim to know about these movements. If you claim to not know these topics well, and yet come to the defense of your friend's position, either you're lying about how much you know or you're loyal.

Anyway this is what the Bible has to say in the latter case.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

I have claimed that I know a good deal about the pagan movements. I claimed I never heard of the so-caleld Charismatic movement until seeing it mentioned on this website and thus my interest to know what it was. If that helps clear up your confusion.

And by the way, I just met Simiel a week ago, should I consider him my friend? I think I should and I come not to defend his position but to defend the word of God written in the Bible.