Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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When did I ever say or promote sin?
Did Jesus take one the sin of the whole world?
How many sins did he take on?
how many are left for you?
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Do you believe the above verse that Father took away all sin that caused death through Son and why did Father do this by Son?
Was it not to give new life in the resurrected Christ?
Did not Christ say that he came to give us life, more abundantly? And does this not equate to born again in Spirit and truth via the resurrected Christ
Without the resurrected Christ we are still in our sins and are to be pitied of all people if Christ is not risen
But Christ is risen and alive forevermore, he overcame this world and we have as well if we beleive with no doubt. Not by our works by his, the only one that pleased Father in the flesh and the only one that ever will is Christ's flesh
So it is by Faith in this finished work of Father through Son we by belief are saved. Safe and secure in his arms, smothered and covered by greasy grace
And nothing can separate us from this love Mercy, showered on us all, today is the day to believe and be relieved of the worry and stress of the flesh nature we are first born with, being born again in Spirit and truth, by belief alone
It is one's focus on not sinning keeping one aware of sin that keeps one trapped in Sin
Ever wondered why you are not stopping that sin that you hate so much> Have been asking over and over again, and sometimes stop, then feel really good about stopping and not long after doing it again
Could it be you have not finalized truth that you are forgiven 100% to appreciate, not take for granted?
Too many verses that claim we are forgiven, redeemed, reconciled, to think differently,
And until one finalizes they are forgiven, they will not see the new life that Father gives in the resurrected Christ
For one will be too busy trying to be perfect and act like the Old Testament Jews under sacrifices in shedding blood for the forgi9veness of sins, over and over again
Father show who is listening and does really want to just know you, and for no other reason, but to rest in you
Thank you in advance for your will to be done as you see fit, trusting you all in all
Did Jesus take one the sin of the whole world?
How many sins did he take on?
how many are left for you?
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Do you believe the above verse that Father took away all sin that caused death through Son and why did Father do this by Son?
Was it not to give new life in the resurrected Christ?
Did not Christ say that he came to give us life, more abundantly? And does this not equate to born again in Spirit and truth via the resurrected Christ
Without the resurrected Christ we are still in our sins and are to be pitied of all people if Christ is not risen
But Christ is risen and alive forevermore, he overcame this world and we have as well if we beleive with no doubt. Not by our works by his, the only one that pleased Father in the flesh and the only one that ever will is Christ's flesh
So it is by Faith in this finished work of Father through Son we by belief are saved. Safe and secure in his arms, smothered and covered by greasy grace
And nothing can separate us from this love Mercy, showered on us all, today is the day to believe and be relieved of the worry and stress of the flesh nature we are first born with, being born again in Spirit and truth, by belief alone
It is one's focus on not sinning keeping one aware of sin that keeps one trapped in Sin
Ever wondered why you are not stopping that sin that you hate so much> Have been asking over and over again, and sometimes stop, then feel really good about stopping and not long after doing it again
Could it be you have not finalized truth that you are forgiven 100% to appreciate, not take for granted?
Too many verses that claim we are forgiven, redeemed, reconciled, to think differently,
And until one finalizes they are forgiven, they will not see the new life that Father gives in the resurrected Christ
For one will be too busy trying to be perfect and act like the Old Testament Jews under sacrifices in shedding blood for the forgi9veness of sins, over and over again
Father show who is listening and does really want to just know you, and for no other reason, but to rest in you
Thank you in advance for your will to be done as you see fit, trusting you all in all
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
It is clear to me that any good works performed by the grace of God are a manifestation of salvation that is neither earned nor once obtained can be lost.
John 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall neither perish nor shall anyone pluck them out of my hand.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
It is clear to me that any good works performed by the grace of God are a manifestation of salvation that is neither earned nor once obtained can be lost.
John 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall neither perish nor shall anyone pluck them out of my hand.
One's own conscience tell me I have and do not care to and can't quit on me own as the woman caught in adultery, and brought before Christ was, and by Law was to be stoned to death
What did Jesus do? Do any of us really appreciate this, or are mad at this? Having no choice but to walk away as those that accused walked away, their own consciences convicted them
And as Jesus bent down and wrote in the sand, no one knows what he was writing, but i bet it was the sins that these men had committed and maybe were still committing, and each walked away angry, being convicted, seeing Jesus knew their sin, as he wrote in the sand and said okay he who is without sin, cast the first stone
Just a little steak in the Spirit for us all to eat, chew wisely to not choke on it, please
What did Jesus do? Do any of us really appreciate this, or are mad at this? Having no choice but to walk away as those that accused walked away, their own consciences convicted them
And as Jesus bent down and wrote in the sand, no one knows what he was writing, but i bet it was the sins that these men had committed and maybe were still committing, and each walked away angry, being convicted, seeing Jesus knew their sin, as he wrote in the sand and said okay he who is without sin, cast the first stone
Just a little steak in the Spirit for us all to eat, chew wisely to not choke on it, please
No salvation without doing.
Mt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Mt 7:24 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"
Mt 7:26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:"
Jn 3:20,21 "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Jn 9:31 "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."
Eph 6:8 "Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free."
James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
1 Jn 2:17 "And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."
1 Jn 2:29 "If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him."
1 Jn 3:7,10 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
3 Jn 1:11 "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
Lk 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
1 Jn 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
Rev 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
1 Jn 3:22 "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
2 Th 3:4 "And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."
1 Cor 11:24 "And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30 "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Acts 9:6 "And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do."
Jn 15:14 "Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."
Jn 13:15,17 "For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it."
Mt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Mt 7:24 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"
Mt 7:26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:"
Jn 3:20,21 "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Jn 9:31 "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."
Eph 6:8 "Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free."
James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
1 Jn 2:17 "And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."
1 Jn 2:29 "If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him."
1 Jn 3:7,10 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
3 Jn 1:11 "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
Lk 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
1 Jn 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
Rev 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
1 Jn 3:22 "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
2 Th 3:4 "And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."
1 Cor 11:24 "And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30 "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Acts 9:6 "And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do."
Jn 15:14 "Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."
Jn 13:15,17 "For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it."
You are confused. You cannot distinguish between rewards and Salvation, they are not the same thing. The motive for DOING, is always because He LOVED US and because HE SAVED US; we obey as an act of LOVE, which is a way to love Him back. Thus HE gets all the GLORY. (REF: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/90372-faith-works-5.html My Post #95.)
Genuine Spirit Led Obedience is ALWAYS an act of LOVE, not "I have to".
Mark 12:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“This is the most important,” Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”
Galatians 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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Mat. 7:21 = Those who genuinely are saved will have that loving desire to obey Him, and that desire will manifest itself in obedience that is an act of LOVE for Him.
Mat. 7:24 = Because we are saved the Holy Spirit produces in us the ability to hear with understanding, and our loving walk of obedience. The House built upon the ROCK, is symbolism for having been SAVED, thus no storm in life can wash it away.
Mat. 7:26 = He who does not have produced in him LOVE for God in the form of obedience, truly only has human intellect believism in his head, and NOT genuine FAITH sown in his Heart by the Holy Spirit. The kind of believism seed that was sown most certainly will be made manifest by what it produces.
Jn 3:20-21 = Genuine FAITH that the HOLY SPIRIT put in us, always loves the Light, while counterfeit Faith spawned out of Human Intellect, will leave that person hating the Light. The Light is willingness to walk in obedience because we LOVE GOD.
Again in verse 21 it states "his deeds may be made manifest" which clearly indicates that Genuine Faith and Counterfeit Faith are made manifest by WHAT THEY PRODUCE.
Jn 9:3 = This again is GOD comparing Genuine Faith to Counterfeit faith. Head knowledge of GOD never did SAVE, but Heart KNOWLEDGE OF HIM AS LORD, always has SAVED, and it is the validation that it was Genuine FAITH, which is literally produces in us by the Holy Spirit empowering the believer to DO WITH WILL OF GOD OUT OF LOVE. THUS, God only hears those He has saved, validated by their walk of obedience as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
Eph 6:8 = This verse is not talking about Salvation at all, but rather it is talking about rewards for good works, and only those works done out of the pure motive "LOVE FOR GOD" will be rewarded. Salvation is NOT a reward, or that would make Salvation a wage or payment for what you had done. Salvation is PURELY a gift that comes from HIS GRACE. Grace is receiving what we have not earned and do not deserve.
James 4:17 = This theme of those who have genuinely BEEN SAVED, will produce fruit of Good Works from that seed of Faith that the Holy Spirit sowed in us, exists throughout the New Testament. Yes there are sins of Omission as well as sins of Comission, thus omitting to do good when you know you should do it, certainly is sin. However if that sin becomes a lifestyle of bearing that bad fruit, it VALIDATES, that you are only a counterfeit Christian that only knows about Jesus, instead of REALLY KNOWING HIM AS LORD.
1 Jn 2:17 = Oh YES, "he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" certainly is TRUTH, because HE has ALREADY given us eternal life, the moment HE saved us. {Jn. 3:36, 5:24, & 1 Jn. 5:11 ". . . has eternal life" } AND if that FAITH was GENUINE, it will produce and abundant harvest of "doing the will of GOD."
1 Jn 2:29 = YES, and the opposite is EQUALLY TRUE, every one who is born of HIM, doeth righteousness. TWO times in that verse it made reference to intimately KNOWING Him, and it is the KNOWING HIM in the heart that is SALVATION.
1 Jn 3:7, 10 = Once again we have GOD comparing GENUINE (heart knowledge) FAITH (SAVED) which produces a harvest of doing righteousness, to Counterfeit (head knowledge) Faith that fails to produce deeds of righteousness. By their fruit YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
3 Jn 1:11 = Once again the Opposite is EQUALLY TRUE: Those who are of GOD will produce a harvest from that Salvation of doing good.
Lk 6:4 = That has been my point all along. There is no SALVATION apart from willing, loving submission to HIS LORDSHIP, but SALVATION takes place at the moment of that total surrender to HIM as LORD. Many think partial submission is good enough, and "I reserve the other part for myself". WRONG. Like the song says "ALL TO JESUS I SURRENDER!" It is ALL or you have a Counterfeit Christianity.
1 Jn 1:6 = Exactly what I have been saying, because of HIS bringing our human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE (SAVED ETERNALLY), the HOLY SPIRIT in us will bring forth a harvest from that seed of REAL FAITH, consisting of willing, loving obedience. If it doesn't, we have settled for something LESS than Genuine FAITH, and only know about HIM and truly DO NOT KNOW HIM AS LORD at all.
Rev 22:14 = Those who ARE SAVED, have the right to the tree of life, and the evidence of that, is the continual harvest from that Salvation of our doing His Commandments as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
1 Jn 3:22 = IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED, we will act in a manor that reflects that GOD is our Heavenly Father. In other words, our desires will be focused on our heavenly Father, thus we will not be asking ANY THING that is not according to HIS WILL. Once again the evidence that we TRULY already ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, lies in the fruit of that relationship with GOD. ". . . we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 = We shall never fall because HE is the one holding on to us, and HE is doing His will through us. If you doubt me, you definitely need to read JUDE 1:24.
2 Th 3:4 = That is a no brainer to understand, ". . .we have confidence in the Lord touching you" which equals Genuine SALVATION and the boldness of FAITH it produces, which in turn produces, "that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 = Yes, SALVATION through GENUINE FAITH (KNOWING JESUS AS LORD IN YOUR HEART), will produce a Christ-like attitude in our hearts, that mirrors HIS attitude.
1 Cor 11:24 = Certainly, if one's FAITH is REAL and one truly was SAVED, the evidence will be obedience, but NOT obedience where the motive is "I HAVE TO", but rather REAL FAITH produces an "I WANT TO, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM" attitude. Do you need any other reason to belong to a local Church, than to lovingly obey, "this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 = This literally is that attitude that HAVING BEEN SAVED produces in us. "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30
I guess you did not read the next verse: "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 16:31 (HCSB) [SUP]31 [/SUP] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Hence they were SAVED the very moment Genuine Faith was brought into their Hearts by the Holy Spirit.
Acts 9:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] “Who are You, Lord?” he said. “I am Jesus, the One you are persecuting,” He replied.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “But get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
So what part of Paul being called to the Ministry do you not understand? He was not giving Paul a list of things to do in order to be saved.
Jn 15:14 = Those who have been saved are friends of JESUS for sure, and the evidence of that Salvation being REAL is their obedience.
Jn 13:15,17 = Not only does Genuine Salvation produce in us a desire to keep HIS commandments, but also it produces in us happiness and joy when we do keep them.
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love (which is the only motive for obedience that GOD respects) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." To hear the word of GOD with understanding and believing it in your heart, equates to being SAVED; which always produces a harvest of obedience if it was Genuine.
Genuine Spirit Led Obedience is ALWAYS an act of LOVE, not "I have to".
Mark 12:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“This is the most important,” Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”
Galatians 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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Mat. 7:21 = Those who genuinely are saved will have that loving desire to obey Him, and that desire will manifest itself in obedience that is an act of LOVE for Him.
Mat. 7:24 = Because we are saved the Holy Spirit produces in us the ability to hear with understanding, and our loving walk of obedience. The House built upon the ROCK, is symbolism for having been SAVED, thus no storm in life can wash it away.
Mat. 7:26 = He who does not have produced in him LOVE for God in the form of obedience, truly only has human intellect believism in his head, and NOT genuine FAITH sown in his Heart by the Holy Spirit. The kind of believism seed that was sown most certainly will be made manifest by what it produces.
Jn 3:20-21 = Genuine FAITH that the HOLY SPIRIT put in us, always loves the Light, while counterfeit Faith spawned out of Human Intellect, will leave that person hating the Light. The Light is willingness to walk in obedience because we LOVE GOD.
Again in verse 21 it states "his deeds may be made manifest" which clearly indicates that Genuine Faith and Counterfeit Faith are made manifest by WHAT THEY PRODUCE.
Jn 9:3 = This again is GOD comparing Genuine Faith to Counterfeit faith. Head knowledge of GOD never did SAVE, but Heart KNOWLEDGE OF HIM AS LORD, always has SAVED, and it is the validation that it was Genuine FAITH, which is literally produces in us by the Holy Spirit empowering the believer to DO WITH WILL OF GOD OUT OF LOVE. THUS, God only hears those He has saved, validated by their walk of obedience as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
Eph 6:8 = This verse is not talking about Salvation at all, but rather it is talking about rewards for good works, and only those works done out of the pure motive "LOVE FOR GOD" will be rewarded. Salvation is NOT a reward, or that would make Salvation a wage or payment for what you had done. Salvation is PURELY a gift that comes from HIS GRACE. Grace is receiving what we have not earned and do not deserve.
James 4:17 = This theme of those who have genuinely BEEN SAVED, will produce fruit of Good Works from that seed of Faith that the Holy Spirit sowed in us, exists throughout the New Testament. Yes there are sins of Omission as well as sins of Comission, thus omitting to do good when you know you should do it, certainly is sin. However if that sin becomes a lifestyle of bearing that bad fruit, it VALIDATES, that you are only a counterfeit Christian that only knows about Jesus, instead of REALLY KNOWING HIM AS LORD.
1 Jn 2:17 = Oh YES, "he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" certainly is TRUTH, because HE has ALREADY given us eternal life, the moment HE saved us. {Jn. 3:36, 5:24, & 1 Jn. 5:11 ". . . has eternal life" } AND if that FAITH was GENUINE, it will produce and abundant harvest of "doing the will of GOD."
1 Jn 2:29 = YES, and the opposite is EQUALLY TRUE, every one who is born of HIM, doeth righteousness. TWO times in that verse it made reference to intimately KNOWING Him, and it is the KNOWING HIM in the heart that is SALVATION.
1 Jn 3:7, 10 = Once again we have GOD comparing GENUINE (heart knowledge) FAITH (SAVED) which produces a harvest of doing righteousness, to Counterfeit (head knowledge) Faith that fails to produce deeds of righteousness. By their fruit YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
3 Jn 1:11 = Once again the Opposite is EQUALLY TRUE: Those who are of GOD will produce a harvest from that Salvation of doing good.
Lk 6:4 = That has been my point all along. There is no SALVATION apart from willing, loving submission to HIS LORDSHIP, but SALVATION takes place at the moment of that total surrender to HIM as LORD. Many think partial submission is good enough, and "I reserve the other part for myself". WRONG. Like the song says "ALL TO JESUS I SURRENDER!" It is ALL or you have a Counterfeit Christianity.
1 Jn 1:6 = Exactly what I have been saying, because of HIS bringing our human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE (SAVED ETERNALLY), the HOLY SPIRIT in us will bring forth a harvest from that seed of REAL FAITH, consisting of willing, loving obedience. If it doesn't, we have settled for something LESS than Genuine FAITH, and only know about HIM and truly DO NOT KNOW HIM AS LORD at all.
Rev 22:14 = Those who ARE SAVED, have the right to the tree of life, and the evidence of that, is the continual harvest from that Salvation of our doing His Commandments as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
1 Jn 3:22 = IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED, we will act in a manor that reflects that GOD is our Heavenly Father. In other words, our desires will be focused on our heavenly Father, thus we will not be asking ANY THING that is not according to HIS WILL. Once again the evidence that we TRULY already ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, lies in the fruit of that relationship with GOD. ". . . we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 = We shall never fall because HE is the one holding on to us, and HE is doing His will through us. If you doubt me, you definitely need to read JUDE 1:24.
2 Th 3:4 = That is a no brainer to understand, ". . .we have confidence in the Lord touching you" which equals Genuine SALVATION and the boldness of FAITH it produces, which in turn produces, "that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 = Yes, SALVATION through GENUINE FAITH (KNOWING JESUS AS LORD IN YOUR HEART), will produce a Christ-like attitude in our hearts, that mirrors HIS attitude.
1 Cor 11:24 = Certainly, if one's FAITH is REAL and one truly was SAVED, the evidence will be obedience, but NOT obedience where the motive is "I HAVE TO", but rather REAL FAITH produces an "I WANT TO, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM" attitude. Do you need any other reason to belong to a local Church, than to lovingly obey, "this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 = This literally is that attitude that HAVING BEEN SAVED produces in us. "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30
I guess you did not read the next verse: "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 16:31 (HCSB) [SUP]31 [/SUP] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Hence they were SAVED the very moment Genuine Faith was brought into their Hearts by the Holy Spirit. Acts 9:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] “Who are You, Lord?” he said. “I am Jesus, the One you are persecuting,” He replied.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “But get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
So what part of Paul being called to the Ministry do you not understand? He was not giving Paul a list of things to do in order to be saved.
Jn 15:14 = Those who have been saved are friends of JESUS for sure, and the evidence of that Salvation being REAL is their obedience.
Jn 13:15,17 = Not only does Genuine Salvation produce in us a desire to keep HIS commandments, but also it produces in us happiness and joy when we do keep them.
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love (which is the only motive for obedience that GOD respects) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." To hear the word of GOD with understanding and believing it in your heart, equates to being SAVED; which always produces a harvest of obedience if it was Genuine.
You are confused. You cannot distinguish between rewards and Salvation, they are not the same thing. The motive for DOING, is always because He LOVED US and because HE SAVED US; we obey as an act of LOVE, which is a way to love Him back. Thus HE gets all the GLORY. (REF: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/90372-faith-works-5.html My Post #95.)
Genuine Spirit Led Obedience is ALWAYS an act of LOVE, not "I have to".
Mark 12:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“This is the most important,” Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”
Galatians 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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Mat. 7:21 = Those who genuinely are saved will have that loving desire to obey Him, and that desire will manifest itself in obedience that is an act of LOVE for Him.
Mat. 7:24 = Because we are saved the Holy Spirit produces in us the ability to hear with understanding, and our loving walk of obedience. The House built upon the ROCK, is symbolism for having been SAVED, thus no storm in life can wash it away.
Mat. 7:26 = He who does not have produced in him LOVE for God in the form of obedience, truly only has human intellect believism in his head, and NOT genuine FAITH sown in his Heart by the Holy Spirit. The kind of believism seed that was sown most certainly will be made manifest by what it produces.
Jn 3:20-21 = Genuine FAITH that the HOLY SPIRIT put in us, always loves the Light, while counterfeit Faith spawned out of Human Intellect, will leave that person hating the Light. The Light is willingness to walk in obedience because we LOVE GOD.
Again in verse 21 it states "his deeds may be made manifest" which clearly indicates that Genuine Faith and Counterfeit Faith are made manifest by WHAT THEY PRODUCE.
Jn 9:3 = This again is GOD comparing Genuine Faith to Counterfeit faith. Head knowledge of GOD never did SAVE, but Heart KNOWLEDGE OF HIM AS LORD, always has SAVED, and it is the validation that it was Genuine FAITH, which is literally produces in us by the Holy Spirit empowering the believer to DO WITH WILL OF GOD OUT OF LOVE. THUS, God only hears those He has saved, validated by their walk of obedience as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
Eph 6:8 = This verse is not talking about Salvation at all, but rather it is talking about rewards for good works, and only those works done out of the pure motive "LOVE FOR GOD" will be rewarded. Salvation is NOT a reward, or that would make Salvation a wage or payment for what you had done. Salvation is PURELY a gift that comes from HIS GRACE. Grace is receiving what we have not earned and do not deserve.
James 4:17 = This theme of those who have genuinely BEEN SAVED, will produce fruit of Good Works from that seed of Faith that the Holy Spirit sowed in us, exists throughout the New Testament. Yes there are sins of Omission as well as sins of Comission, thus omitting to do good when you know you should do it, certainly is sin. However if that sin becomes a lifestyle of bearing that bad fruit, it VALIDATES, that you are only a counterfeit Christian that only knows about Jesus, instead of REALLY KNOWING HIM AS LORD.
1 Jn 2:17 = Oh YES, "he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" certainly is TRUTH, because HE has ALREADY given us eternal life, the moment HE saved us. {Jn. 3:36, 5:24, & 1 Jn. 5:11 ". . . has eternal life" } AND if that FAITH was GENUINE, it will produce and abundant harvest of "doing the will of GOD."
1 Jn 2:29 = YES, and the opposite is EQUALLY TRUE, every one who is born of HIM, doeth righteousness. TWO times in that verse it made reference to intimately KNOWING Him, and it is the KNOWING HIM in the heart that is SALVATION.
1 Jn 3:7, 10 = Once again we have GOD comparing GENUINE (heart knowledge) FAITH (SAVED) which produces a harvest of doing righteousness, to Counterfeit (head knowledge) Faith that fails to produce deeds of righteousness. By their fruit YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
3 Jn 1:11= Once again the Opposite is EQUALLY TRUE: Those who are of GOD will produce a harvest from that Salvation of doing good.
Lk 6:4 = That has been my point all along. There is no SALVATION apart from willing, loving submission to HIS LORDSHIP, but SALVATION takes place at the moment of that total surrender to HIM as LORD. Many think partial submission is good enough, and "I reserve the other part for myself". WRONG. Like the song says "ALL TO JESUS I SURRENDER!" It is ALL or you have a Counterfeit Christianity.
1 Jn 1:6= Exactly what I have been saying, because of HIS bringing our human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE (SAVED ETERNALLY), the HOLY SPIRIT in us will bring forth a harvest from that seed of REAL FAITH, consisting of willing, loving obedience. If it doesn't, we have settled for something LESS than Genuine FAITH, and only know about HIM and truly DO NOT KNOW HIM AS LORD at all.
Rev 22:14= Those who ARE SAVED, have the right to the tree of life, and the evidence of that, is the continual harvest from that Salvation of our doing His Commandments as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
1 Jn 3:22 = IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED, we will act in a manor that reflects that GOD is our Heavenly Father. In other words, our desires will be focused on our heavenly Father, thus we will not be asking ANY THING that is not according to HIS WILL. Once again the evidence that we TRULY already ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, lies in the fruit of that relationship with GOD. ". . . we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 = We shall never fall because HE is the one holding on to us, and HE is doing His will through us. If you doubt me, you definitely need to read JUDE 1:24.
2 Th 3:4 = That is a no brainer to understand, ". . .we have confidence in the Lord touching you" which equals Genuine SALVATION and the boldness of FAITH it produces, which in turn produces, "that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 = Yes, SALVATION through GENUINE FAITH (KNOWING JESUS AS LORD IN YOUR HEART), will produce a Christ-like attitude in our hearts, that mirrors HIS attitude.
1 Cor 11:24 = Certainly, if one's FAITH is REAL and one truly was SAVED, the evidence will be obedience, but NOT obedience where the motive is "I HAVE TO", but rather REAL FAITH produces an "I WANT TO, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM" attitude. Do you need any other reason to belong to a local Church, than to lovingly obey, "this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 = This literally is that attitude that HAVING BEEN SAVED produces in us. "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30 I guess you did not read the next verse: "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 16:31 (HCSB) [SUP]31 [/SUP]So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Hence they were SAVED the very moment Genuine Faith was brought into their Hearts by the Holy Spirit.
Acts 9:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Who are You, Lord?” he said.“I am Jesus, the One you are persecuting,” He replied.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“But get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
So what part of Paul being called to the Ministry do you not understand? He was not giving Paul a list of things to do in order to be saved.
Jn 15:14 = Those who have been saved are friends of JESUS for sure, and the evidence of that Salvation being REAL is their obedience.
Jn 13:15,17 = Not only does Genuine Salvation produce in us a desire to keep HIS commandments, but also it produces in us happiness and joy when we do keep them.
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love (which is the only motive for obedience that GOD respects) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." To hear the word of GOD with understanding and believing it in your heart, equates to being SAVED; which always produces a harvest of obedience if it was Genuine.
Genuine Spirit Led Obedience is ALWAYS an act of LOVE, not "I have to".
Mark 12:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“This is the most important,” Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”
Galatians 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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Mat. 7:21 = Those who genuinely are saved will have that loving desire to obey Him, and that desire will manifest itself in obedience that is an act of LOVE for Him.
Mat. 7:24 = Because we are saved the Holy Spirit produces in us the ability to hear with understanding, and our loving walk of obedience. The House built upon the ROCK, is symbolism for having been SAVED, thus no storm in life can wash it away.
Mat. 7:26 = He who does not have produced in him LOVE for God in the form of obedience, truly only has human intellect believism in his head, and NOT genuine FAITH sown in his Heart by the Holy Spirit. The kind of believism seed that was sown most certainly will be made manifest by what it produces.
Jn 3:20-21 = Genuine FAITH that the HOLY SPIRIT put in us, always loves the Light, while counterfeit Faith spawned out of Human Intellect, will leave that person hating the Light. The Light is willingness to walk in obedience because we LOVE GOD.
Again in verse 21 it states "his deeds may be made manifest" which clearly indicates that Genuine Faith and Counterfeit Faith are made manifest by WHAT THEY PRODUCE.
Jn 9:3 = This again is GOD comparing Genuine Faith to Counterfeit faith. Head knowledge of GOD never did SAVE, but Heart KNOWLEDGE OF HIM AS LORD, always has SAVED, and it is the validation that it was Genuine FAITH, which is literally produces in us by the Holy Spirit empowering the believer to DO WITH WILL OF GOD OUT OF LOVE. THUS, God only hears those He has saved, validated by their walk of obedience as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
Eph 6:8 = This verse is not talking about Salvation at all, but rather it is talking about rewards for good works, and only those works done out of the pure motive "LOVE FOR GOD" will be rewarded. Salvation is NOT a reward, or that would make Salvation a wage or payment for what you had done. Salvation is PURELY a gift that comes from HIS GRACE. Grace is receiving what we have not earned and do not deserve.
James 4:17 = This theme of those who have genuinely BEEN SAVED, will produce fruit of Good Works from that seed of Faith that the Holy Spirit sowed in us, exists throughout the New Testament. Yes there are sins of Omission as well as sins of Comission, thus omitting to do good when you know you should do it, certainly is sin. However if that sin becomes a lifestyle of bearing that bad fruit, it VALIDATES, that you are only a counterfeit Christian that only knows about Jesus, instead of REALLY KNOWING HIM AS LORD.
1 Jn 2:17 = Oh YES, "he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" certainly is TRUTH, because HE has ALREADY given us eternal life, the moment HE saved us. {Jn. 3:36, 5:24, & 1 Jn. 5:11 ". . . has eternal life" } AND if that FAITH was GENUINE, it will produce and abundant harvest of "doing the will of GOD."
1 Jn 2:29 = YES, and the opposite is EQUALLY TRUE, every one who is born of HIM, doeth righteousness. TWO times in that verse it made reference to intimately KNOWING Him, and it is the KNOWING HIM in the heart that is SALVATION.
1 Jn 3:7, 10 = Once again we have GOD comparing GENUINE (heart knowledge) FAITH (SAVED) which produces a harvest of doing righteousness, to Counterfeit (head knowledge) Faith that fails to produce deeds of righteousness. By their fruit YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
3 Jn 1:11= Once again the Opposite is EQUALLY TRUE: Those who are of GOD will produce a harvest from that Salvation of doing good.
Lk 6:4 = That has been my point all along. There is no SALVATION apart from willing, loving submission to HIS LORDSHIP, but SALVATION takes place at the moment of that total surrender to HIM as LORD. Many think partial submission is good enough, and "I reserve the other part for myself". WRONG. Like the song says "ALL TO JESUS I SURRENDER!" It is ALL or you have a Counterfeit Christianity.
1 Jn 1:6= Exactly what I have been saying, because of HIS bringing our human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE (SAVED ETERNALLY), the HOLY SPIRIT in us will bring forth a harvest from that seed of REAL FAITH, consisting of willing, loving obedience. If it doesn't, we have settled for something LESS than Genuine FAITH, and only know about HIM and truly DO NOT KNOW HIM AS LORD at all.
Rev 22:14= Those who ARE SAVED, have the right to the tree of life, and the evidence of that, is the continual harvest from that Salvation of our doing His Commandments as an act of LOVE FOR GOD.
1 Jn 3:22 = IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED, we will act in a manor that reflects that GOD is our Heavenly Father. In other words, our desires will be focused on our heavenly Father, thus we will not be asking ANY THING that is not according to HIS WILL. Once again the evidence that we TRULY already ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, lies in the fruit of that relationship with GOD. ". . . we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."
2 Pet 1:10 = We shall never fall because HE is the one holding on to us, and HE is doing His will through us. If you doubt me, you definitely need to read JUDE 1:24.
2 Th 3:4 = That is a no brainer to understand, ". . .we have confidence in the Lord touching you" which equals Genuine SALVATION and the boldness of FAITH it produces, which in turn produces, "that ye both do and will do the things which we command you."
Gal 6:10 = Yes, SALVATION through GENUINE FAITH (KNOWING JESUS AS LORD IN YOUR HEART), will produce a Christ-like attitude in our hearts, that mirrors HIS attitude.
1 Cor 11:24 = Certainly, if one's FAITH is REAL and one truly was SAVED, the evidence will be obedience, but NOT obedience where the motive is "I HAVE TO", but rather REAL FAITH produces an "I WANT TO, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM" attitude. Do you need any other reason to belong to a local Church, than to lovingly obey, "this do in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 10:31 = This literally is that attitude that HAVING BEEN SAVED produces in us. "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Acts 16:30
I guess you did not read the next verse: "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 16:31 (HCSB) [SUP]31 [/SUP]So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Hence they were SAVED the very moment Genuine Faith was brought into their Hearts by the Holy Spirit. Acts 9:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Who are You, Lord?” he said.“I am Jesus, the One you are persecuting,” He replied.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“But get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
So what part of Paul being called to the Ministry do you not understand? He was not giving Paul a list of things to do in order to be saved.
Jn 15:14 = Those who have been saved are friends of JESUS for sure, and the evidence of that Salvation being REAL is their obedience.
Jn 13:15,17 = Not only does Genuine Salvation produce in us a desire to keep HIS commandments, but also it produces in us happiness and joy when we do keep them.
Lk 10:27,28 "And he answering said, Thou shalt love (which is the only motive for obedience that GOD respects) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 8:21 "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." To hear the word of GOD with understanding and believing it in your heart, equates to being SAVED; which always produces a harvest of obedience if it was Genuine.
YOu can keep saying it but scripture does not support your understanding.
You have even coined a new word, counterfeit faith, which does not exist in scripture.
Find the text, then we will talk.