Sabbath kept until what year?

[2Thewaters]

We know from the Catholic catechism that Sunday was invented in 321 AD by the first pop.

st ran into historical texts had not known before about year 200 AD, after the disciples were all dead, what day was kept in the world?

In the second century, even the semi-Gnostic Clement of Alexandria reported that ancient Greeks and Hebrews knew that the seventh-day was supposed to be sacred:

But the seventh day is recognised as sacred, not by the Hebrews only, but also by the Greeks; according to which the whole world of all animals and plants revolve. Hesiod says of it:—

" And on the seventh the sun's resplendent orb. "
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And Homer:—

" And on the seventh then came the sacred day. "
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And:—

" The seventh was sacred. "
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And again:—

" It was the seventh day, and all things were accomplished. "
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And again:—

" And on the seventh morn we leave the stream of Acheron. "
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Callimachus the poet also writes:—

" It was the seventh morn, and they had all things done. "
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And again:—

" Among good days is the seventh day, and the seventh race. "
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And:—

" The seventh is among the prime, and the seventh is perfect. "
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And:—

" Now all the seven were made in starry heaven,
In circles shining as the years appear. " (Clement of Alexandria. Stromata, Book V, Chapter 14).
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Be that as it may, it appears that various cultures were familiar with the idea of a seventh-day Sabbath prior to the giving of the ten commandments on Mount Sinai.
This makes total sense as God set-apart the Sabbath the day after creating humans. And the Chinese, those who became known as Babylonians, and all other humans lived fairly close together until the confounding of languages in Genesis 11:9. Thus, the idea that they would have known about the Sabbath, especially since Noah would have been expected to know about it, it certainly logical from a biblical perspective.
Conclusion
The Bible, Jesus, Paul, and the early church leaders all knew to keep the seventh day Sabbath. The New Testament specifically enjoins keeping the seventh-day Sabbath for God's people (Hebrews 4:9).
Sunday is nowhere enjoined as the Christian Sabbath. Please be like the Bereans of old who "searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11). The apostles told religious leaders of their day, "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). We are not to rely on false traditions that contravene scripture (see also Tradition and Scripture: From the Bible and Church Writings).
Keeping the Sabbath was the practice/custom of the early faithful Christians, whether they were Jews or Greeks.
There have long been Sabbath-keepers who professed Christ in many lands--and most of those were NOT Jewish. Even the word for Saturday in over 100 languages (including Greek, the language of the New Testament) use a version of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week.
The Christian Sabbath was introduced to, and observed, in many lands all over the world (for how, see also How to Observe the Sabbath?).
The Bible shows that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath Day. The New Testament clearly shows that the seventh day Sabbath is still to be kept by those who are the people of God. Do you follow the Bible and the examples of the apostles?

Just interston

 

[2Thewaters]

Sunday monday tuesday wedensday thursday friday, SABATH

what is the word SATURDAY translated in other languages?

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: S ábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota суббота
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

Sabtu indonesian


Go to

translate.google.com

on the left put in SATURDAY

on the right choose ANY LANGUAGE AT ALL!

gues what you get?

SABBATH!

try it youll lke it

C'mon guys, whats with the program?

The Sabbath is undeniable...

it is the day.

 

[Kerry]

Actually Saturday in the English form refers to the roman Saturn's day.

Also if I lived in China what day is the Sabbath?

 

[RedTent]

You have been studying!!

Except, Sunday was invented by the great grandson of Noah centuries before 325AD. He decided to worship the sun, so this day was called Sunday. Many gentile Christians worshipped on Sunday before 325. They were used to worshiping on that day, most pagans used that day for worship.

These new gentile Christians knew that it was discovered that Christ rose on that day, and thought that proved it was the day he actually did rise. They truly believed that Christ was a new God rather than God from the beginning of creation so they needed to deny the "old" as they thought of all of the Father and accept the new God.

It was around 325 AD that the Nicene Creed was completed by a huge gathering of church fathers called for by the Roman emperor Constantine. Constantine wanted to gather all Romans under the Christian religion and he thought that the Jewish Christians who still practiced "those weird Jewish things" were not really Christian and the Jews who rejected Christ had nothing at all in common with people who worshipped Christ. Jews worshipped on Saturday so he made it illegal to worship on Saturday.

Sunday worship had the added advantage, he thought, of not asking his subjects to change their ways, only their God.

 

[Kerry]

You have been studying!!

Except, Sunday was invented by the great grandson of Noah centuries before 325AD. He decided to worship the sun, so this day was called Sunday. Many gentile Christians worshipped on Sunday before 325. They were used to worshiping on that day, most pagans used that day for worship.

These new gentile Christians knew that it was discovered that Christ rose on that day, and thought that proved it was the day he actually did rise. They truly believed that Christ was a new God rather than God from the beginning of creation so they needed to deny the "old" as they thought of all of the Father and accept the new God.

It was around 325 AD that the Nicene Creed was completed by a huge gathering of church fathers called for by the Roman emperor Constantine. Constantine wanted to gather all Romans under the Christian religion and he thought that the Jewish Christians who still practiced "those weird Jewish things" were not really Christian and the Jews who rejected Christ had nothing at all in common with people who worshipped Christ. Jews worshipped on Saturday so he made it illegal to worship on Saturday.

Sunday worship had the added advantage, he thought, of not asking his subjects to change their ways, only their God.

Study deeper, Christians were not allowed in the synagogues. In fact, they were fired from there job's and if they rented a home, they were kicked out. Even Paul, who was Saul at the time, held the coats of them that stoned Stephen to death.

They met on Sunday and did it secretly, because the Jews would not expect them nor look for them on Sunday. They also were called the ones in the way and not Christians.

Yes, Jesus went to the synagogues, because He is a Jew and was accepted as such. But, then thronged for what He said.

The Early or Apostolic church met on Sunday.

 

[JimmieD]

Also if I lived in China what day is the Sabbath?

Good observation. The Gregorian Calendar is always taken for granted in these discussions.

Moses didn't use a Gregorian Calendar either.

 

[john832]

Actually Saturday in the English form refers to the roman Saturn's day.

Also if I lived in China what day is the Sabbath?

Same day as if you lived in Israel, the seventh day of the week. That has not changed since creation.

 

[2Thewaters]

the weekly Sabbath will be kept from
ist day of creation for eternity

the sabbath feasts are not kept any more
dont need the feasts now

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[2Thewaters]

here is something new I found out that shocked me

go to translate.google.com

and on the left in English type SATURDAY

now on the right
choose any language
and see what it translates to!

it is always SABBATH

in all the language since the tower of Bable in abrahams time they have been calling Saturday SABBATH

isnt that interesting that was WAY BEFORE the mount Sinai reconfirmation

interesting?

when the tower of BABL occured just after the flood all the seventh days in all the languages were SABBATH!

everyone kept the sabbath.

totally disproves evolution
and verifies the Babel event
When God came down and confused the speaches

he put Sabbath into their languages for he meant them to keep it.

 

[john832]

Good observation. The Gregorian Calendar is always taken for granted in these discussions.

Moses didn't use a Gregorian Calendar either.

The Gregorian calendar has nothing to do with the continuity of the week. The seven day week has been unchanged since creation...

“There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week” (James Robertson, personal letter, dated March 12, 1932. [Dr. Robertson was Director of the American Ephemeris, Navy Dept., U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C.]).

"As far as I know, in the various changes of the Calendar there has been no change in the seven day rota of the week, which has come down from very early times." --F.W. Dyson, Personal letter, dated March 4, 1932. [Dr. Dyson was Astronomer Royal, Royal Observatory, Greenwich, London.]

"Some of these (the Jews and also many Christians) accept the week as of divine institution, with which it is unlawful to tamper; others, without these scruples, still feel that it is useful to maintain a time-unit that, unlike all others, has proceeded in an absolutely invariable manner since what may be called the dawn of history." --"Our Astronomical Column," Nature, London, number 127, June 6, 1931, p. 869

 

[2Thewaters]

Ask a Jew
their calender this year says 5776

they have kept the Sabbath every week for 5776 years

 

[john832]

Study deeper, Christians were not allowed in the synagogues. In fact, they were fired from there job's and if they rented a home, they were kicked out. Even Paul, who was Saul at the time, held the coats of them that stoned Stephen to death.

They met on Sunday and did it secretly, because the Jews would not expect them nor look for them on Sunday. They also were called the ones in the way and not Christians.

Yes, Jesus went to the synagogues, because He is a Jew and was accepted as such. But, then thronged for what He said.

The Early or Apostolic church met on Sunday.

You have no idea what you are talking about...

Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Act 13:4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
Act 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

Act 13:13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
Act 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

 

[JimmieD]

Ask a Jew
their calender this year says 5776

Why ask a Jew? Are they authoritative for some reason? Their calendar isn't the same as that of the Israelites either.

they have kept the Sabbath every week for 5776 years

They have? I can think of quite a number of places that indicate they didn't;

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[TD]Its priests have done violence to my teaching and have profaned my holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
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[JimmieD]

The Gregorian calendar has nothing to do with the continuity of the week.

It has everything to do with it. You can't assume that a society observes the same New Years Day, new month, or number of days of the year. You also can't assume that things such as New Years Day can simply fall on/be observed on any ol' day of the week. Nor can you assume that a society follows 7-day weeks (since as Kerry point out, some Chinese calendars don't).

 

[JimmieD]

It has everything to do with it. You can't assume that a society observes the same New Years Day, new month, or number of days of the year. You also can't assume that things such as New Years Day can simply fall on/be observed on any ol' day of the week. Nor can you assume that a society follows 7-day weeks (since as Kerry point out, some Chinese calendars don't).

For example, [at least] in Leviticus:

Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, is a Passover offering to the Lord. 23:6 Then on the fifteenth day of the same monthwill be the festival of unleavened bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 23:7 On the first day there will be a holy assembly for you; you must not do any regular work. 23:8 You must present a gift to the Lord for seven days, and the seventh day is a holy assembly; you must not do any regular work.’
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Passover/Unleavened Bread begins and ends on a Sabbath. The start of the month itself (and so the start of the year) was based on observations of the moon, not a fixed day. Notice that in Leviticus 25, the 15th of the month is always a Sabbath. This is because each month began with a new moon and the start of the week began the next day. 7 days later you get your first sabbath. Fifteen days later, your second sabbath...and so on.

The reason the Festival sabbath's are observed as "High Sabbath's" today is because we don't use the same calendar. If you use the system found in Leviticus 23, your important festival dates always fall very neatly on the sabbath.

So the "problem" this results in is that Sabbath is not any particular day of the week on the Gregorian Calendar; and why I think Kerry's comment was a good observation.

This practice actually irritated some later Jews in the 2nd Temple period, specifically the Essenes/Qumran group who designed their own calender where there were 364 days in the year and so festivals and feasts always fell on the same day each year. Of course their calendar had it's own problems too (the actualy year is 365.25.... days) and whose problems came with interesting explanations.

 

[john832]

It has everything to do with it. You can't assume that a society observes the same New Years Day, new month, or number of days of the year. You also can't assume that things such as New Years Day can simply fall on/be observed on any ol' day of the week. Nor can you assume that a society follows 7-day weeks (since as Kerry point out, some Chinese calendars don't).

Other than the fact that the seven day week has been observed inviolate since creation. See post#10 and then rethink your opinion.

 

[Atwood]

Sabbath Year kept until what day?

Sabbath Year Kept until what day?

Some may not realize that the Sabbath was not only a day, but a year; one year in 7.

Now who is observing the Sabbath year?

 

[john832]

For example, [at least] in Leviticus:

Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, is a Passover offering to the Lord. 23:6 Then on the fifteenth day of the same monthwill be the festival of unleavened bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 23:7 On the first day there will be a holy assembly for you; you must not do any regular work. 23:8 You must present a gift to the Lord for seven days, and the seventh day is a holy assembly; you must not do any regular work.’​

?????

The first day of the month means the first day of the week? You assume that the first day of every year is a Sunday? If you are going to propound something, at least try to know what you are talking about.

Passover/Unleavened Bread begins and ends on a Sabbath. The start of the month itself (and so the start of the year) was based on observations of the moon, not a fixed day. Notice that in Leviticus 25, the 15th of the month is always a Sabbath. This is because each month began with a new moon and the start of the week began the next day. 7 days later you get your first sabbath. Fifteen days later, your second sabbath...and so on.

The First Day of Unleavened Bread and the Last Day of Unleavened Bread are Sabbaths, but not the weekly Sabbath. They are high days...

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

And can occur on various days of the week.

The reason the Festival sabbath's are observed as "High Sabbath's" today is because we don't use the same calendar. If you use the system found in Leviticus 23, your important festival dates always fall very neatly on the sabbath.

No they did not. They fell on particular days of the month. In fact, there is a weekly Sabbath between the First and Last Day of Unleavened Bread most years. There was during the year Jesus Christ was crucified.

So the "problem" this results in is that Sabbath is not any particular day of the week on the Gregorian Calendar; and why I think Kerry's comment was a good observation.

You do understand the weekly cycle was established at creation and the Gregorian calendar was developed in 1582AD, roughly 4600 years AFTER creation, don't you? It has no effect whatsoever on the weekly cycle.

This practice actually irritated some later Jews in the 2nd Temple period, specifically the Essenes/Qumran group who designed their own calender where there were 364 days in the year and so festivals and feasts always fell on the same day each year. Of course their calendar had it's own problems too (the actualy year is 365.25.... days) and whose problems came with interesting explanations.

What are you talking about? There are two calendars, the calendar of Hillel II and the calendar the Karaites use. Neither of which has anything to do with determining which day of the week is the weekly Sabbath.

Why don't you learn something about the calendar before making such ridiculous comments.

 

[JimmieD]

Other than the fact that the seven day week has been observed inviolate since creation.

But it really hasn't. I refer to my previous posts. Weeks were not always and everywhere observed in 7 day, never ending cycles. If those letters from 1932 don't recognize historical fact, that's not my problem. Then again, I wouldn't expect professional astronomers to care much about historical debates. Also consider that quotes without context don't really carry much weight. For example, when James Robertson quote says "our calendar in past centuries", what's he refering to? The Gregorian Calendar? Something else? Who knows? A quote without context carries little to no weight. And I'm not even sure how quote #3 even applies here at all since it looks like he's just recounting what some various people believe.

I do appreciate that some people have a ready made list of quotes they can put up to try to "win" the conversation. They just don't come across as useful or meaningful though.

See post#10 and then rethink your opinion.

Which opinion was that? The one in Leviticus 23?

 

[john832]

Re: Sabbath Year kept until what day?

Sabbath Year Kept until what day?

Some may not realize that the Sabbath was not only a day, but a year; one year in 7.

Now who is observing the Sabbath year?

And what does an ordinance given to a nation have to do with the fourth Commandment? The seventh year is a sabbatical year, but is not a Sabbath nor is it a Feast Day.

Where in Lev 23 is the sabbatical year commanded?