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Is forever timed? When ones life ends, any agreement made with that individual ceases to be applicable. Is forever a different period of time for different people?
When a spouse tells his love "I'll always love you", or "I'll love you forever", don't both really understand that if one dies the other can remarry without any recrimination due to that vow?
When a spouse tells his love "I'll always love you", or "I'll love you forever", don't both really understand that if one dies the other can remarry without any recrimination due to that vow?
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Forever to me can be explained this way.
Wherever you're standing in America take a piece of paper towel in one hand.
Now get on your hands and knees and crawl to the ocean and swim (keeping the paper towel dry) to India.
Crawl across India to the Himalaya Mountains. Once there climb Mount Everest on your hands and knees.
Once crawling to the top of Mount Everest rub the paper towel just once across the top. Now crawl and swim back to where you started.
Now repeat this process (however long it takes) until you have rubbed Mount Everest down to sea level with the paper towel.
When you have completed rubbing Mount Everest down to sea level not one second of 'forever' has passed.
Wherever you're standing in America take a piece of paper towel in one hand.
Now get on your hands and knees and crawl to the ocean and swim (keeping the paper towel dry) to India.
Crawl across India to the Himalaya Mountains. Once there climb Mount Everest on your hands and knees.
Once crawling to the top of Mount Everest rub the paper towel just once across the top. Now crawl and swim back to where you started.
Now repeat this process (however long it takes) until you have rubbed Mount Everest down to sea level with the paper towel.
When you have completed rubbing Mount Everest down to sea level not one second of 'forever' has passed.
I want to add a second thought to this thread....God is the lofty one who inhabits eternity.....He is LIGHT and DWELLS in light...eternity is a place....hit the speed of light and time stops=a permanent state of eternity.
Having said the above, forever is a term used to describe an aspect of eternity......
Having said the above, forever is a term used to describe an aspect of eternity......
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Ezekiel 46:14 "And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the Lord."
How long did He mean here? We know that the sacrifice of the pure lamb, Christ, ended this kind of offering, so how long was perpetual here?
How long did He mean here? We know that the sacrifice of the pure lamb, Christ, ended this kind of offering, so how long was perpetual here?
This is a great thread!
I actually have a video about this because of some confusion that Torah-pursuant folks have about the use of the Hebrew word for 'forever' regarding the keeping of the Law.
Check it out. It's not long and has pretty pictures and nice music
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[video=youtube_share;WFGw9mpmi0s]http://youtu.be/WFGw9mpmi0s[/video]
-JGIG
I actually have a video about this because of some confusion that Torah-pursuant folks have about the use of the Hebrew word for 'forever' regarding the keeping of the Law.
Check it out. It's not long and has pretty pictures and nice music
:[video=youtube_share;WFGw9mpmi0s]http://youtu.be/WFGw9mpmi0s[/video]
-JGIG
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
This context aionios would be ongoing, unending.
Ezekiel 46:14 "And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the Lord."
In this context, as long as the covenant existed between God and the Jews it would be perpetual. Yet the Jews broke the covenant, God cast off the Jews (Rom 11) Christ took that OT covenant out of the way (Col 2:14) leaving no OT covenant between God and the Jews.
This context aionios would be ongoing, unending.
Ezekiel 46:14 "And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the Lord."
In this context, as long as the covenant existed between God and the Jews it would be perpetual. Yet the Jews broke the covenant, God cast off the Jews (Rom 11) Christ took that OT covenant out of the way (Col 2:14) leaving no OT covenant between God and the Jews.
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We're going to find, as SeaBass just pointed out, that forever in the old testament is not the same as the new.
Pertual, for ever, everlasting, etc., are pretty much derivaties of OWLAM in the hebrew.
Look at this scripture in Leviticus 3:17 " [SUP] [/SUP]It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood."
Now when Peter saw the sheet in the vision in Acts 10, God told him not to call something He had cleansed, common. Most people don't eat/drink blood today, but fat is a regular part of our diet. This statute lasted in perpetuity, which in this case was until Christ's ministry.
Pertual, for ever, everlasting, etc., are pretty much derivaties of OWLAM in the hebrew.
Look at this scripture in Leviticus 3:17 " [SUP] [/SUP]It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood."
Now when Peter saw the sheet in the vision in Acts 10, God told him not to call something He had cleansed, common. Most people don't eat/drink blood today, but fat is a regular part of our diet. This statute lasted in perpetuity, which in this case was until Christ's ministry.