A bad tree cannot produce good fruit - ever

[PeterJens]

Another aspect that goes with "fruit inspectors" is just what is fruit? And what does this fruit look like. What if as an analogy a Christian is like an orange tree?

The spirit of these words is pure rebellion. Jesus talked about false teachers and seeing their
hearts, how defended they were, whether they tore people up, or built them up.

I have seen many people aspire to preach and teach, yet most of the ministry is done one to one,
applying the word to a persons situation. It is through the encouraging love of the body that we
are built up and made whole.

So it is important to see what the outworking of the words are in a persons life, to see the
essence of what they are sharing. Those who fear the truth within becoming displayed speak against
such realities. Purity and a good heart is our goal in Christ, to let love reign supreme. Amen

 

[followjesus]

I 100% agree with this. I suppose in my mind I have two models.
A sinner who is lost, but given the key to life with jump and follow Jesus.
A sinner who is lost, but gets involved in faith without sorting out their soul.

They end up ripping people apart, rather than helping making them whole.

Jesus appears to be saying there is no hope for these people. What has happened and
their stand against the principles of the Kingdom are a judgement against them which
can never be repaired, because it is innate in who they are.

its about not hiding our sins peter, its about not letting our imperfections keep us from the Light. it isnt to be perfect and then come ointo the Light, but to coma as you are, and the Light reveals sin that is there. in other words when we learn who Jesus is and what He said, we have an example of who we are to be. adam let His sin make Him Hide from the Light which is why He fell from Grace not because God is a bad Guy and wants to crush a sinner for thier sin, but adam Lost sight of the truth, that God forgives freely not because we deserve it but because we See the truth of his goodness and mercy, rather than letting our sin hide us from Jesus because of fear He will condemn us.

Look at those scriptures deeply. to come into the Light is to believe Jesus concerning everything because He is telling usthe truth from God, that was stolen in the beginning. if we try to be perfect and then come to Jesus, well never come to Him. We have to acceopt our own Sin first and Bring it to Light the Light of Christ Jesus then removes it. there is nothing in the 4 gospels to condemn or tear anyone apart, there is Grace and truth meant to believe and follow after.

Just accepting forgiveness doesnt change us unless we accept the truth that is there. to glorify God in truth, is done by How we treat other peoiple according to Jesus, its not glorifying God when we simply say : God gets the glory" Glorifying God is done in our actions and also our words.

people mix the laws obedience with Christs. Jesus provides Grace in His words " whoever believes in the Son of man will not be condemned" but also He teaches the things were to follow and says " not only those who call me lord will enter the Kingdom. onlythose who do the will of God" <<< Grace and truth together means that we are able to learn and grow rather than a hardened obedience like the mosaic Law. but if we omit the obedience He commands there is nothing to change our actions from wrong to right. and God Gets all the Glory us obeying Jesus doesnt take anything away from Gods glory, it glorifies Him in every way, in both word and deed. we have to be torn down in order to ever accept the need for Jesus, otherwise we never WILL give God the glory.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, and GLORIFY YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN."

this is why the only way is to bring our deeds into the Light of Jesus. when you step into a dark room, and then Hit the light switch, everything is exposed and visible. by following Jesus, WE understand first were a sinner, and second we are corrected and taught by the only one who is The way, truth and Life. there is no condemnation in following Jesus, even if we find ourselves falling short, His doctrine provides the grace to keep condemnation away, and we are corrected and taught through the conviction of His true doctrine. it changes us, and if IT changes us thenall glory belongs to God because without Him were dead

 

[OneFaith]

Are you saying a lost person cannot be kind? Patient? Full of joy? Gentle? Self-controlled?

Sometimes these are genuinely seen in people well before the time they convert, because they are the right soil waiting for the Seed. The others, who will never be saved, they have immatation fruit that is not real. The Bible talks about false humility- the appearance of someone being humble, when God knows they're truly not. They are self-seeking. You see, they are good so that others will think of them as a good person. They are not good for the sake of being good, or to please God.

 

[stonesoffire]

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

What tree does Holy Spirit put the axe to?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The fruit that a tree produces depends on the seed. There are only 2 seeds, good vs. evil, corruptible vs. incorruptible, flesh vs. Spirit.

Matthew 15:13
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

The seed Is the WORD of GOD and the words JESUS spoke were Spirit and Life.A saved person Is IN the body of CHRIST and IN HIM there Is no darkness.Those that are not saved have not accepted the seed which Is by grace through FAITH.

Those that are saved are GOD's workmanship created IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works which were before ordained that we should walk In them.

 

[stonesoffire]

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

What tree does Holy Spirit put the axe to?

No takers?

Two trees in the garden. Jesus was speaking about repentance before He spoke this.

Son 4:12　 A garden inclosed is my sister, my
spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.　So which tree would get the axe? What did Jesus say would spring up out of the belly?

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Col_2:11　 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

What tree would the believer be of?

 

[lastofall]

For this cause do weeds appear to look similar to wheat. Christ also demands of us saying:

"Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit." (Matthew 12:33)

 

[stonesoffire]

A Tree Is Known by Its Fruit
Mat 12:33　 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.　


Mat 12:34　 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.　


Mat 12:35　 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.　


Mat 12:36　 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.　


Mat 12:37　 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.　

 

[DancingForJesus]

amen, But the spirit of Jesus governs us we follow << to me that is governing our selves. we fall when Like peter when walking on water looked at the circumstance, rather than Jesus is my thinking. had peter fixed upon Jesus and ignored the waves, Jesus spirit would have kept Him on the surface, of course tho, when he failed all he did was call out " Lord save me" and our savior is like that whjen our hearts remain fixed upon Him. we learn and we grow, we fall and He catches us the more we walk the stronger our legs become

Wow. This was exactly what I needed to hear, especially the bolded sentence. Thank you.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The spirits of just men were made perfect but the body/flesh Is not yet perfect and Is subject to sin and may die early and not receive a lot of rewards, but the spirit Is saved and sealed.

 

[Zmouth]

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:9

It is interesting that books are made out of the pulp of trees, especially considering the references to the Lamb's book of life in the book of Revelations.

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:" Rev 20:12

...whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev 13:8

Interesting that Paul also referenced the book of life in Philippians 4:3;
And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Yet what I always found most interesting was the number of books that the Pharaoh's had written which were found in the secret compartment in the belly of the Sphinx. But good thing that Moses learned from the Egyptians how to read and write in Hebrew since that could have thwarted the whole purpose of the Exodus for the Nation of Israel, at least according to some reports of what was written in the book of Jasher.

 

[stonesoffire]

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

What tree does Holy Spirit put the axe to?

~Ok, will be clear in my post here. I'm always looking for those who love symbols but am finding its not everyones cup of tea.

The tree that Holy Spirit puts the axe to after repentance from sin and turning to God is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

This is the natural man. Knowing what is good and what is evil. The tree of life is Jesus. We are placed into Him, or rightly even more so, we are placed into Father, He being the tree, through the Vine who is His Son Yeshua. I love His true name which translates to Salvation. The Vine keeps us in the tree. Wraps us all up in Him. That is our security. In-en is in greek, a fixed position.

So our old way of thinking begins to shrivel up and die as we put the mind of Christ renewed thinking by believing what He says.

Its a great picture to my mind, but maybe not yours.

Says a lot about His love for all humanity.

 

[Dino246]

~Ok, will be clear in my post here. I'm always looking for those who love symbols but am finding its not everyones cup of tea.

The tree that Holy Spirit puts the axe to after repentance from sin and turning to God is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

This is the natural man. Knowing what is good and what is evil. The tree of life is Jesus. We are placed into Him, or rightly even more so, we are placed into Father, He being the tree, through the Vine who is His Son Yeshua. I love His true name which translates to Salvation. The Vine keeps us in the tree. Wraps us all up in Him. That is our security. In-en is in greek, a fixed position.

So our old way of thinking begins to shrivel up and die as we put the mind of Christ renewed thinking by believing what He says.

Its a great picture to my mind, but maybe not yours. Says a lot about His love for all humanity.

Please don't take this as a refutation of your whole post; it is not intended as such...

With regard to the bolded part above, in Revelation 2:7 Jesus says that He "will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God." If Jesus is the Tree of Life, why would He say this to only one of the churches? To me, that doesn't follow logically or scripturally. It seems to me that He is speaking of a literal tree, one which Adam and Eve could have taken hold of and eaten (Genesis 3:22). Verse 24 describes cherubim and a flaming sword guarding the way to the tree; that doesn't strike me as a metaphor.

 

[stonesoffire]

Please don't take this as a refutation of your whole post; it is not intended as such...

With regard to the bolded part above, in Revelation 2:7 Jesus says that He "will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God." If Jesus is the Tree of Life, why would He say this to only one of the churches? To me, that doesn't follow logically or scripturally. It seems to me that He is speaking of a literal tree, one which Adam and Eve could have taken hold of and eaten (Genesis 3:22). Verse 24 describes cherubim and a flaming sword guarding the way to the tree; that doesn't strike me as a metaphor.

I see our lives as being back in the garden and having to make a life decision. Is where this poem came from. The way has been opened to the tree of life. After all, He said to eat and drink of His life for eternal life.

~Declaring His Work! Jesus!




We have returned to the Garden of Eden
Brought into His presence, made whole by the Lamb.
Satans lies crushed underfoot as we enter..
Truth is our breastplate, and light floods our stand.

Victory of blood, Royal blood out from Heaven
No stain of sin, given once for all men
Born into Him..Son of God, son of mankind
Covering; purging....flowing within.

Now we an army, attired in white linen
Helmets salvation encloses our head
Righteousness pinning lusts serpentine yearnings
Peace reigns our hearts touching others for Him.

He leads His army, His Voice individual
Yet, corporate as all move in Spirit as One
His-story shouting in signs and in wonders
Gathering all for His home filled with love

 

[Dino246]

I see our lives as being back in the garden and having to make a life decision. Is where this poem came from.
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You have a lovely way with words!

 

[stonesoffire]

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[Yiska]

God can genuinely change a person from the inside out. Once God makes us good we can produce good fruit- the fruits of the Spirit- love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. A bad tree produces bad fruit- hatred, negetive attitudes, impatience, quarrelsome, mean-spirited, wicked, unfaithful, harsh, impulsive, and easily angered.

True, the apostle Paul says: "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

In addition, Jesus tells us we must be born again: "[N]o one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."


Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)