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so AOK, are you saying the sda preach salvation by works and they are demonic?? and no brother no personal attack i assure you, just my veiw point as your entitiled to yours. The sdas i know absolutely do not preach a salvation by works mantra. By the the way, im non denominational attending a pentecost church, and you are??I beleive that whoever calls on the name of Jesus and beleives with their heart they are saved, who they actually are i'm not suppose to judge nor you, anyone, thats Gods office to do that, so please just understand my veiwpoint as well instead of making remarks of " hominem insinuations and straw man fallacies " for you misrepresent and interpret my veiwpont.
with love
shalom.
with love
shalom.
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The Seventh Day Adventist Church has a well defined theology that is implemented to varying degrees in SDA assemblies depending on the mood of a particular assembly and how orthodox they want to get with regards to it.
If you understand what their position is, as an authentic Christian you won't want anything to do with it because of the heresy involved which is what I've been pointing out and refuting using a standard New Testament systematic theology exactly in alignment with the teachings of Jesus, the Apostles, early church history, early church fathers, and mainstream Christian scholars around the world both past and present.
Pastor Mark of Calvary Chapel of Phoenix AZ has an outreach to SDA members and you can read more about what they believe and why it is wrong here:
exAdventist Outreach - Home
Many loving and well meaning people are caught up in the deception of SDA theology to one degree or another. Some are born again Christians at SDA assemblies where little of the heresy is taught and some are outright orthdox SDA members that are erroring badly.
If you understand what their position is, as an authentic Christian you won't want anything to do with it because of the heresy involved which is what I've been pointing out and refuting using a standard New Testament systematic theology exactly in alignment with the teachings of Jesus, the Apostles, early church history, early church fathers, and mainstream Christian scholars around the world both past and present.
Pastor Mark of Calvary Chapel of Phoenix AZ has an outreach to SDA members and you can read more about what they believe and why it is wrong here:
exAdventist Outreach - Home
Many loving and well meaning people are caught up in the deception of SDA theology to one degree or another. Some are born again Christians at SDA assemblies where little of the heresy is taught and some are outright orthdox SDA members that are erroring badly.
I
Knock, Knock,
Hi AOK,
well, I want to thank you first for sending me to the ExAdventist Outreach site, I see where you get all the info from, and there is alot to learn from, and would like to say anyone reading these post on this Thread to visit the site, Thank You AOK, exAdventist Outreach - Home
Past Post By "AOK": The cults today teach that Christ's perfect and full atonement wasn't good enough and that you are still under the law of Moses either partially or fully. This is the most common counterfeit Gospel found in the world today: That you are not saved by grace but by your own works.
Posted by "I Be": I first want to say I beleave Jesus ransom as a full atonemant for my passed sin's, because I have acepted Jesus as my Savior, and what he did was an unmaried favor I didnt deserve, as a sinner I had no shot at liven in Heaven in the Third Earth Age, but now thur Faith and Grace and Obedience, I am asurred of that Salvation. as I do put my Faith in Jesus Christ, But I feel I can lose that Salvation, if I dont turn from passed sins, " like being a whoremonger" and trying to have Sex with as many women as I could just because it felt good. I know now it was wrong of me. But back to my question to you Sir,( If I dont have Obedience to this fact ) and if I dont follow our Fathers Commandments. Would I not lose this Salvation? Because Jesus said to me if I want this right Keep my Fathers commandments, Can you explain this for me? Aint Faith Dead without Works?
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
Exhortations to Obedience
Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
1. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.____________________________________________________________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4___________________________________________________________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
　
Hi AOK,
well, I want to thank you first for sending me to the ExAdventist Outreach site, I see where you get all the info from, and there is alot to learn from, and would like to say anyone reading these post on this Thread to visit the site, Thank You AOK, exAdventist Outreach - Home
Past Post By "AOK": The cults today teach that Christ's perfect and full atonement wasn't good enough and that you are still under the law of Moses either partially or fully. This is the most common counterfeit Gospel found in the world today: That you are not saved by grace but by your own works.
Posted by "I Be": I first want to say I beleave Jesus ransom as a full atonemant for my passed sin's, because I have acepted Jesus as my Savior, and what he did was an unmaried favor I didnt deserve, as a sinner I had no shot at liven in Heaven in the Third Earth Age, but now thur Faith and Grace and Obedience, I am asurred of that Salvation. as I do put my Faith in Jesus Christ, But I feel I can lose that Salvation, if I dont turn from passed sins, " like being a whoremonger" and trying to have Sex with as many women as I could just because it felt good. I know now it was wrong of me. But back to my question to you Sir,( If I dont have Obedience to this fact ) and if I dont follow our Fathers Commandments. Would I not lose this Salvation? Because Jesus said to me if I want this right Keep my Fathers commandments, Can you explain this for me? Aint Faith Dead without Works?
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
Exhortations to Obedience
Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
1. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.____________________________________________________________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4___________________________________________________________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.____________________________________________________________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
　
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I agree with forerunner, one of the worst teachings infiltrating churches today is OSAS. This is part of Satan's plan to lull people into a false sense of complacency.
Another thing not taught in many churches is Separation from Sin and People or places that can lead you into sin. We as Flesh , are weak against Satan. He knows every trick in the book to lure us into a trap. If he can't get you one way , he'll keep trying another way until he finds your weakness. Why do you think our world has so many places of entertainment, and things that tries to get our attention off God.? Think about it...
We all have things in our lives that catch our attention. Myself, I love College Football. Especially a team I have followed for years....The Alabama Crimson Tide. I enjoy the excitement of either watching them or listening on Radio if I am traveling on business. I don't however go and get drunk, or get upset if they lose, or throw things, or use bad language etc. I keep it in proper prospective....a Game...not Life and death as some do.
God I beleive let's us enjoy little pleasures like that, just keep God first in all things and don't let Satan steal your victory from God....Amen.
Another thing not taught in many churches is Separation from Sin and People or places that can lead you into sin. We as Flesh , are weak against Satan. He knows every trick in the book to lure us into a trap. If he can't get you one way , he'll keep trying another way until he finds your weakness. Why do you think our world has so many places of entertainment, and things that tries to get our attention off God.? Think about it...
We all have things in our lives that catch our attention. Myself, I love College Football. Especially a team I have followed for years....The Alabama Crimson Tide. I enjoy the excitement of either watching them or listening on Radio if I am traveling on business. I don't however go and get drunk, or get upset if they lose, or throw things, or use bad language etc. I keep it in proper prospective....a Game...not Life and death as some do.
God I beleive let's us enjoy little pleasures like that, just keep God first in all things and don't let Satan steal your victory from God....Amen.
A
Hi AOK,
well, I want to thank you first for sending me to the ExAdventist Outreach site, I see where you get all the info from, and there is alot to learn from, and would like to say anyone reading these post on this Thread to visit the site, Thank You AOK, exAdventist Outreach - Home
--> Mark is a Pastor of Calvary Chapel Phoenix and an ex-adventist pastor whom left the false teachings of the SDA and came into the truth of God's Word. He loves adventists enough to reach out to them and Calvary Chapel supports him 100% so you can stop with the ad hominem argumentation right now as well as making false assertions about that being the only place I get my information from. I get my information from scripture, Christian scholars, and historians for example.
Past Post By "AOK": The cults today teach that Christ's perfect and full atonement wasn't good enough and that you are still under the law of Moses either partially or fully. This is the most common counterfeit Gospel found in the world today: That you are not saved by grace but by your own works.
--> That's is correct.
Posted by "I Be": I first want to say I beleave Jesus ransom as a full atonemant for my passed sin's, because I have acepted Jesus as my Savior, and what he did was an unmaried favor I didnt deserve
--> Good for you. Too bad the teachings of Ellen G. White and orothodox SDA church docrrine does not teach what you believe; however the Bible does. Historic Adventists, "who are characterized by their opposition to theological trends within the denomination, beginning in the 1950s" (1) view modern Adventist theology as a compromise with evangelicalism, and seek to defend older teachings such as the fallen nature of Jesus Christ, an incomplete atonement, and character perfectionism.
, as a sinner I had no shot at liven in Heaven in the Third Earth Age, but now thur Faith and Grace and Obedience, I am asurred of that Salvation. as I do put my Faith in Jesus Christ, But I feel I can lose that Salvation, if I dont turn from passed sins, " like being a whoremonger" and trying to have Sex with as many women as I could just because it felt good. I know now it was wrong of me. But back to my question to you Sir,( If I dont have Obedience to this fact ) and if I dont follow our Fathers Commandments. Would I not lose this Salvation? Because Jesus said to me if I want this right Keep my Fathers commandments, Can you explain this for me? Aint Faith Dead without Works?
--> I have been explaining it to you and much more. When we enter into a saving relationship with God through Jesus Christ and are spiritually reborn we enter into a new Covenant. As the writer of Hebrews declares:
[In Old Testament times] "only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. ...How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. (Hebrews 9:7, 14-15).
Reread everything I have posted which answers your questions here and realize that salvation originates with God, being based in an unconditional act of His boundless love and grace accessed through faith as scripture clearly reveals. Since God is absolutely truthful, we can trust His promises (Ps. 89:35) and be assured of our salvation (2 Tim. 2:13) in Christ (John 3:16).
The false assertion that the New Covenant somehow fails morally or ignores sin so therefore we are under the Law of Moses rather, than the New Covenant which teaches perfect morality written on our hearts, is a false assertion scripture refutes and I have explained that to you in detail in earlier posts.
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"[/quote]
I don't have the time to go through your Q & A session today. Perhaps another time. Suffice to say the scriptural evidence for the New Covenant is unassailable and not dependent on the writings of Ellen G. White and the SDA church founders. Just in Hebrews, we find an extended citation from Jeremiah 31:31–34 to demonstrate that the Bible itself predicted a change in the law.
In 8:6–7. The author picks up a hint he dropped in 7:12: the old priesthood was tied with the old law and its covenant, and both were shown to be imperfect if they were superseded.
In 8:8–9. The phrase generally rendered “new” covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 could also be translated “renewed” covenant. The first covenant was meant to be written on people’s hearts (Deut 30:11–14), and the righteous actually had it there (Ps 37:31; 40:8; 119:11; Is 51:7); but according to Jeremiah, cost of Israel did not have it in their hearts (cf., e.g., Deut 5:29).
The difference between the former and the new covenant would be precisely that whereas the Israelites broke the first covenant (Jer 31:32), the new law would be written within them, and they would know God (Jer 31:33–34).
8:10–12. Jeremiah echoes the language of the first covenant: “I will be their God, and they will be my people” (e.g., Lev 26:12). “Knowing” God was also covenant language, but on a personal level it referred to the sort of intimate relationship with God that the prophets had.
I could go on for days refuting SDA heresy and teaching the sound doctrine the Bible teaches but I am transitioning into ministry so will soon not be here for hours each day trying to help the many people influenced by cult heresy and false prophets/false prophetesses on this board. Enjoy it while you can friend
. It's limited. Peace and God bless.
References:
(1) Corson, Ron. "Progressive and Traditional Adventists Examined". Adventist Today. Archived from the original on 2007-03-11.
well, I want to thank you first for sending me to the ExAdventist Outreach site, I see where you get all the info from, and there is alot to learn from, and would like to say anyone reading these post on this Thread to visit the site, Thank You AOK, exAdventist Outreach - Home
--> Mark is a Pastor of Calvary Chapel Phoenix and an ex-adventist pastor whom left the false teachings of the SDA and came into the truth of God's Word. He loves adventists enough to reach out to them and Calvary Chapel supports him 100% so you can stop with the ad hominem argumentation right now as well as making false assertions about that being the only place I get my information from. I get my information from scripture, Christian scholars, and historians for example.
Past Post By "AOK": The cults today teach that Christ's perfect and full atonement wasn't good enough and that you are still under the law of Moses either partially or fully. This is the most common counterfeit Gospel found in the world today: That you are not saved by grace but by your own works.
--> That's is correct.
Posted by "I Be": I first want to say I beleave Jesus ransom as a full atonemant for my passed sin's, because I have acepted Jesus as my Savior, and what he did was an unmaried favor I didnt deserve
--> Good for you. Too bad the teachings of Ellen G. White and orothodox SDA church docrrine does not teach what you believe; however the Bible does. Historic Adventists, "who are characterized by their opposition to theological trends within the denomination, beginning in the 1950s" (1) view modern Adventist theology as a compromise with evangelicalism, and seek to defend older teachings such as the fallen nature of Jesus Christ, an incomplete atonement, and character perfectionism.
, as a sinner I had no shot at liven in Heaven in the Third Earth Age, but now thur Faith and Grace and Obedience, I am asurred of that Salvation. as I do put my Faith in Jesus Christ, But I feel I can lose that Salvation, if I dont turn from passed sins, " like being a whoremonger" and trying to have Sex with as many women as I could just because it felt good. I know now it was wrong of me. But back to my question to you Sir,( If I dont have Obedience to this fact ) and if I dont follow our Fathers Commandments. Would I not lose this Salvation? Because Jesus said to me if I want this right Keep my Fathers commandments, Can you explain this for me? Aint Faith Dead without Works?
--> I have been explaining it to you and much more. When we enter into a saving relationship with God through Jesus Christ and are spiritually reborn we enter into a new Covenant. As the writer of Hebrews declares:
[In Old Testament times] "only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. ...How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. (Hebrews 9:7, 14-15).
Reread everything I have posted which answers your questions here and realize that salvation originates with God, being based in an unconditional act of His boundless love and grace accessed through faith as scripture clearly reveals. Since God is absolutely truthful, we can trust His promises (Ps. 89:35) and be assured of our salvation (2 Tim. 2:13) in Christ (John 3:16).
The false assertion that the New Covenant somehow fails morally or ignores sin so therefore we are under the Law of Moses rather, than the New Covenant which teaches perfect morality written on our hearts, is a false assertion scripture refutes and I have explained that to you in detail in earlier posts.
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"[/quote]
I don't have the time to go through your Q & A session today. Perhaps another time. Suffice to say the scriptural evidence for the New Covenant is unassailable and not dependent on the writings of Ellen G. White and the SDA church founders. Just in Hebrews, we find an extended citation from Jeremiah 31:31–34 to demonstrate that the Bible itself predicted a change in the law.
In 8:6–7. The author picks up a hint he dropped in 7:12: the old priesthood was tied with the old law and its covenant, and both were shown to be imperfect if they were superseded.
In 8:8–9. The phrase generally rendered “new” covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 could also be translated “renewed” covenant. The first covenant was meant to be written on people’s hearts (Deut 30:11–14), and the righteous actually had it there (Ps 37:31; 40:8; 119:11; Is 51:7); but according to Jeremiah, cost of Israel did not have it in their hearts (cf., e.g., Deut 5:29).
The difference between the former and the new covenant would be precisely that whereas the Israelites broke the first covenant (Jer 31:32), the new law would be written within them, and they would know God (Jer 31:33–34).
8:10–12. Jeremiah echoes the language of the first covenant: “I will be their God, and they will be my people” (e.g., Lev 26:12). “Knowing” God was also covenant language, but on a personal level it referred to the sort of intimate relationship with God that the prophets had.
I could go on for days refuting SDA heresy and teaching the sound doctrine the Bible teaches but I am transitioning into ministry so will soon not be here for hours each day trying to help the many people influenced by cult heresy and false prophets/false prophetesses on this board. Enjoy it while you can friend
. It's limited. Peace and God bless.References:
(1) Corson, Ron. "Progressive and Traditional Adventists Examined". Adventist Today. Archived from the original on 2007-03-11.
I
I don't have the time to go through your Q & A session today. Perhaps another time. Suffice to say the scriptural evidence for the New Covenant is unassailable and not dependent on the writings of Ellen G. White and the SDA church founders. Just in Hebrews, we find an extended citation from Jeremiah 31:31–34 to demonstrate that the Bible itself predicted a change in the law.
In 8:6–7. The author picks up a hint he dropped in 7:12: the old priesthood was tied with the old law and its covenant, and both were shown to be imperfect if they were superseded.
In 8:8–9. The phrase generally rendered “new” covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 could also be translated “renewed” covenant. The first covenant was meant to be written on people’s hearts (Deut 30:11–14), and the righteous actually had it there (Ps 37:31; 40:8; 119:11; Is 51:7); but according to Jeremiah, cost of Israel did not have it in their hearts (cf., e.g., Deut 5:29).
The difference between the former and the new covenant would be precisely that whereas the Israelites broke the first covenant (Jer 31:32), the new law would be written within them, and they would know God (Jer 31:33–34).
8:10–12. Jeremiah echoes the language of the first covenant: “I will be their God, and they will be my people” (e.g., Lev 26:12). “Knowing” God was also covenant language, but on a personal level it referred to the sort of intimate relationship with God that the prophets had.
I could go on for days refuting SDA heresy and teaching the sound doctrine the Bible teaches but I am transitioning into ministry so will soon not be here for hours each day trying to help the many people influenced by cult heresy and false prophets/false prophetesses on this board. Enjoy it while you can friend. It's limited. Peace and God bless.
References:
(1) Corson, Ron. "Progressive and Traditional Adventists Examined". Adventist Today. Archived from the original on 2007-03-11.[/quote]
Well I'm sorry to hear that AOK, truly I have great respect for you as you are a great worker for our Father, you know alot, and I'm sure our Father is sending where you are needed, well I didnt mean to put to many questions on you at one time, may-be you can answer just one befor you stop refuting SDA on your way into ministry,
If Jesus done away with the Law acording to you, I mean our Fathers Commandments, why would they still been in our Bible's OT,NT, Why would Jesus still be telling us if we want the right to enter the Kingdom, to Keep my Fathers Commandments, why dont he just say If ya want to enter the Kingdom make LOVE to all, and I'll see ya'll there! or something like that,
Not trying to be Sarcastic but wont you answer Jesus for us??
in ministry isnt that what you will do?
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
In 8:6–7. The author picks up a hint he dropped in 7:12: the old priesthood was tied with the old law and its covenant, and both were shown to be imperfect if they were superseded.
In 8:8–9. The phrase generally rendered “new” covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 could also be translated “renewed” covenant. The first covenant was meant to be written on people’s hearts (Deut 30:11–14), and the righteous actually had it there (Ps 37:31; 40:8; 119:11; Is 51:7); but according to Jeremiah, cost of Israel did not have it in their hearts (cf., e.g., Deut 5:29).
The difference between the former and the new covenant would be precisely that whereas the Israelites broke the first covenant (Jer 31:32), the new law would be written within them, and they would know God (Jer 31:33–34).
8:10–12. Jeremiah echoes the language of the first covenant: “I will be their God, and they will be my people” (e.g., Lev 26:12). “Knowing” God was also covenant language, but on a personal level it referred to the sort of intimate relationship with God that the prophets had.
I could go on for days refuting SDA heresy and teaching the sound doctrine the Bible teaches but I am transitioning into ministry so will soon not be here for hours each day trying to help the many people influenced by cult heresy and false prophets/false prophetesses on this board. Enjoy it while you can friend
. It's limited. Peace and God bless.References:
(1) Corson, Ron. "Progressive and Traditional Adventists Examined". Adventist Today. Archived from the original on 2007-03-11.[/quote]
Well I'm sorry to hear that AOK, truly I have great respect for you as you are a great worker for our Father, you know alot, and I'm sure our Father is sending where you are needed, well I didnt mean to put to many questions on you at one time, may-be you can answer just one befor you stop refuting SDA on your way into ministry,
If Jesus done away with the Law acording to you, I mean our Fathers Commandments, why would they still been in our Bible's OT,NT, Why would Jesus still be telling us if we want the right to enter the Kingdom, to Keep my Fathers Commandments, why dont he just say If ya want to enter the Kingdom make LOVE to all, and I'll see ya'll there! or something like that,
Not trying to be Sarcastic but wont you answer Jesus for us??
in ministry isnt that what you will do?
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
I
Posted by AOK: I have been explaining it to you and much more. When we enter into a saving relationship with God through Jesus Christ and are spiritually reborn we enter into a new Covenant. As the writer of Hebrews declares:
Posted by "I Be" Well ok lets talk about the teaching in Hebrews then:
Hebrews 6:4-5-6, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Can you please explain this Scripture for me then from Hewbrews, Here looks like if we are save by grace with-out Obedience to the Law this Scripture would have been left out the Bible as well,
you see I just dont think we should not think our Father or Jesus did away with the Law,
Jesus said I didnt come to change one thing with it but to fulfill, lest we should fall away from our Fathers Commandments, over a hundred and eighty times in the new and old testment, if we want to enter the Kingdom to Come, "Keep Our Fathers Comammndments" is written, and Thats what I teach
"Take Heed"
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus Christ" "I Be In His Service"
Posted by "I Be" Well ok lets talk about the teaching in Hebrews then:
Hebrews 6:4-5-6, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Can you please explain this Scripture for me then from Hewbrews, Here looks like if we are save by grace with-out Obedience to the Law this Scripture would have been left out the Bible as well,
you see I just dont think we should not think our Father or Jesus did away with the Law,
Jesus said I didnt come to change one thing with it but to fulfill, lest we should fall away from our Fathers Commandments, over a hundred and eighty times in the new and old testment, if we want to enter the Kingdom to Come, "Keep Our Fathers Comammndments" is written, and Thats what I teach
"Take Heed"
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus Christ" "I Be In His Service"
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Hebrews 6:1-10: "1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them byb whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister."
I suppose the passages I listed didn't align well with SDA heresy so we now have this passage which is one of the most overworked in the history of interpretation and a favorite of cults that error in teaching authentic Christians are under the Old Covenant of Moses rather than the New Covenant of Jesus.
Unfortunately for them, Hebrews was written to Hebrew believers to instruct them to fully accept the New Covenant and not return to the Old Covenant. Exactly what the passage I already shared states clearly, directly, and emphatically.
What this passage is stressing in context with the rest of Hebrews, scripture, and early church teaching is the author's fundamental belief of the efficacy of Christ's self-offering once and for all. Christ, as High Priest, has ultimately perfected the consciences of believers. This scripture is affirming what Christ accomplished for all true believers.
If the Hebrew Christians, the audience of Hebrews, lack confidence in the fullness of Christ's self-offering for their sin and its power to cleanse their consciences of guilt from past sins, like SDA orthodoxy teaches for example, the author considers this a serious offense tantamount to apostasy.
Throughout the book the author of Hebrews is concerned that Christians will leave their Christian faith and return to Judaism. Should they involve themselves in purifying rituals and cleansings associated with their inital reprentance (e.g. baptism), so as to suggest that Christ's work was not complete, they effectively attempt to redo what Christ has already done. This amounts to re-crucifying Christ and holding him up to public spectacle. The author's real aim is to instill confidence in his readers that will prevent them from engaging in practices that he sees as forms of apostasy.
Hebrews speaks of reconciliation being accomplished and ongoing repentance is now seen as the process of appropriating into one's life the fullness of what Christ accomplished within the New Covenant.
Some Christian scholars believe the authors of Hebrews is pointing out by way of warning that if fully initiated Christians turn their backs on Christ, following the Judaizers (like the SDA orthodoxy for example teaches) they will so harden themselves that nothing anyone can do will bring them back to repentance. Their end result will be eternal ****ation.
But these scholars agree that while this may be a real possibility for some in the audience the author of Hebrews was addressing, “we are confident of better things in your case” (Heb 6:9). If he were not, at least for some of them, there would have been no use in writing the letter at all. So these scholars would argue that while they may have been on the verge of apostasy they had not made the decision and crossed the line.
Hebrews has all over it, including this passage, the instruction for Christians NOT to return themselves to the yoke of the Law of Moses but to fully accept enter into the New Covenant God has with all true believers in and through Jesus Christ. And that we do!
I suppose the passages I listed didn't align well with SDA heresy so we now have this passage which is one of the most overworked in the history of interpretation and a favorite of cults that error in teaching authentic Christians are under the Old Covenant of Moses rather than the New Covenant of Jesus.
Unfortunately for them, Hebrews was written to Hebrew believers to instruct them to fully accept the New Covenant and not return to the Old Covenant. Exactly what the passage I already shared states clearly, directly, and emphatically.
What this passage is stressing in context with the rest of Hebrews, scripture, and early church teaching is the author's fundamental belief of the efficacy of Christ's self-offering once and for all. Christ, as High Priest, has ultimately perfected the consciences of believers. This scripture is affirming what Christ accomplished for all true believers.
If the Hebrew Christians, the audience of Hebrews, lack confidence in the fullness of Christ's self-offering for their sin and its power to cleanse their consciences of guilt from past sins, like SDA orthodoxy teaches for example, the author considers this a serious offense tantamount to apostasy.
Throughout the book the author of Hebrews is concerned that Christians will leave their Christian faith and return to Judaism. Should they involve themselves in purifying rituals and cleansings associated with their inital reprentance (e.g. baptism), so as to suggest that Christ's work was not complete, they effectively attempt to redo what Christ has already done. This amounts to re-crucifying Christ and holding him up to public spectacle. The author's real aim is to instill confidence in his readers that will prevent them from engaging in practices that he sees as forms of apostasy.
Hebrews speaks of reconciliation being accomplished and ongoing repentance is now seen as the process of appropriating into one's life the fullness of what Christ accomplished within the New Covenant.
Some Christian scholars believe the authors of Hebrews is pointing out by way of warning that if fully initiated Christians turn their backs on Christ, following the Judaizers (like the SDA orthodoxy for example teaches) they will so harden themselves that nothing anyone can do will bring them back to repentance. Their end result will be eternal ****ation.
But these scholars agree that while this may be a real possibility for some in the audience the author of Hebrews was addressing, “we are confident of better things in your case” (Heb 6:9). If he were not, at least for some of them, there would have been no use in writing the letter at all. So these scholars would argue that while they may have been on the verge of apostasy they had not made the decision and crossed the line.
Hebrews has all over it, including this passage, the instruction for Christians NOT to return themselves to the yoke of the Law of Moses but to fully accept enter into the New Covenant God has with all true believers in and through Jesus Christ. And that we do!
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Knock, Knock
"A Counterfeit Gospel"
The Apostle Paul warned the church in Corinth that Satan the Devil always sought to appear as an angel of light, a bringer of truth, even thought bring lies and darkness. Paul warned his readers of those who would come preaching another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit (2 Corinthians 11:1-4,14) .
Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you. And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus Christ" "I Be In His Service"
I dont have no more time to answer all these Q & A today really getting to much! Take Heed!!
"A Counterfeit Gospel"
The Apostle Paul warned the church in Corinth that Satan the Devil always sought to appear as an angel of light, a bringer of truth, even thought bring lies and darkness. Paul warned his readers of those who would come preaching another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit (2 Corinthians 11:1-4,14) .
Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you. And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
"I Be A Disciple Of Jesus Christ" "I Be In His Service"
I dont have no more time to answer all these Q & A today really getting to much! Take Heed!!
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Knock, Knock
. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.________________________________________________ ____________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4_________________________________________________ __________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
This counterfeit gospel, proclaimed since the first century, is today accepted by millions of sincerely deluded people. It distorts the meaning of God's grace. It proclaims that Christ has "done it all" and that obedience to His law is neither possible nor necessary. Those who accept this counterfeit do not comprehend the necessity of having thier very nature transformed.
God's grace refers to the gifts conveyed by Him, including His unmerited pardon extended toward repentant sinners. No amount of our good works can earn either God's favor or His forgiveness, Rather, God took the initiative in our lives by extending His love toward us while we were yet sinners (Romans 5:8) . However, and this is crucial, we must responed to God's grace by forsaking our lawless rebellious ways and unconditionally surrendering to Him (Romans 6:1-6) .
Living faith in the true gospel results in life-changing behavior and leads to salvation. A counterfeit gospel and a dead faith (James 2:20) will never save anyone from anything! Jesus warns about false prophets and teachers. Other scriptures reveal Satan the Devil as the great deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Satan has his ministers who appear as angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) .
Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 that many false teachers would come and teach in His name, and deceive the vast majority of people. Perhaps now you can see that the way to eternal life could be difficult to find amid such deception and confusion!But Christ went on to teach how God's true followers could avoid that deception.
Continuing in His message to His disciples, Jesus enlarged upon this teaching, Notice that His statement reveals a choice between God's will and self-will: "Not every-one who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).
Many professing Christians use religious-souding words and phrases, but by their sinful actions deny the Father and the Son. Some may even do "many miracles and wonders" in Christ's name, yet Jesus will tell them "I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!"
When a true Christian believes the true gospel, he believes in Christ as his personal Savior and surrenders in obedience to the Fathers will, including the Ten Commandments! This is a life-long commitment. Jesus said, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
It is not the broad and easy path, nor is it a popular, because we live in a world that is in revolt against God. However, Jesus reassured His disciples by saying " with God all things are possible".
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus"
In His Service
. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.________________________________________________ ____________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4_________________________________________________ __________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
This counterfeit gospel, proclaimed since the first century, is today accepted by millions of sincerely deluded people. It distorts the meaning of God's grace. It proclaims that Christ has "done it all" and that obedience to His law is neither possible nor necessary. Those who accept this counterfeit do not comprehend the necessity of having thier very nature transformed.
God's grace refers to the gifts conveyed by Him, including His unmerited pardon extended toward repentant sinners. No amount of our good works can earn either God's favor or His forgiveness, Rather, God took the initiative in our lives by extending His love toward us while we were yet sinners (Romans 5:8) . However, and this is crucial, we must responed to God's grace by forsaking our lawless rebellious ways and unconditionally surrendering to Him (Romans 6:1-6) .
Living faith in the true gospel results in life-changing behavior and leads to salvation. A counterfeit gospel and a dead faith (James 2:20) will never save anyone from anything! Jesus warns about false prophets and teachers. Other scriptures reveal Satan the Devil as the great deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Satan has his ministers who appear as angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) .
Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 that many false teachers would come and teach in His name, and deceive the vast majority of people. Perhaps now you can see that the way to eternal life could be difficult to find amid such deception and confusion!But Christ went on to teach how God's true followers could avoid that deception.
Continuing in His message to His disciples, Jesus enlarged upon this teaching, Notice that His statement reveals a choice between God's will and self-will: "Not every-one who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).
Many professing Christians use religious-souding words and phrases, but by their sinful actions deny the Father and the Son. Some may even do "many miracles and wonders" in Christ's name, yet Jesus will tell them "I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!"
When a true Christian believes the true gospel, he believes in Christ as his personal Savior and surrenders in obedience to the Fathers will, including the Ten Commandments! This is a life-long commitment. Jesus said, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
It is not the broad and easy path, nor is it a popular, because we live in a world that is in revolt against God. However, Jesus reassured His disciples by saying " with God all things are possible".
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus"
In His Service
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Yes he did and hopefully authentic Christians will heed his words and avoid the modern cults and those trapped in the heresy of cults will through God's grace discover the truth of what God's Word actually teaches apart from the heresy they were taught and/or raised in and then the strength to leave it. I pray God reveals Himself to all those caught in cults with their false teaching. He loves them so much and wants to untangle them from the deception.
Just to let the readers know, the verse in Revelations here 14:11 the SDA member is quoting doesn't mean what the SDA church teaches it means (every Christian burns with the devil for not listening to the SDA church and remaining an authentic Christian apart from cult heresy). What it means in reality, as taught by early church fathers and modern day conservative Bible scholars, is that those who persist in the one world religion that the anti-Christ will usher in when this man of lawlessness finally reveals himself will suffer this fate with the devil and the anti-Christ.
Calling authentic Christians this is a serious and grevious mistranslation of this verse. For more information, here is a good Bible commentary on the subject by Jamieson Fausset and Brown. God bless you and keep you in peace and love and holiness. Praise the Lord for our salvation in Christ! God loves everyone. He loves the lost, the person trapped in hersey, and of course us authentic Christians walking in sound doctrine. Praise the Lord!
Revelation 14 - Jamison, Fausset Brown Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
Just to let the readers know, the verse in Revelations here 14:11 the SDA member is quoting doesn't mean what the SDA church teaches it means (every Christian burns with the devil for not listening to the SDA church and remaining an authentic Christian apart from cult heresy). What it means in reality, as taught by early church fathers and modern day conservative Bible scholars, is that those who persist in the one world religion that the anti-Christ will usher in when this man of lawlessness finally reveals himself will suffer this fate with the devil and the anti-Christ.
Calling authentic Christians this is a serious and grevious mistranslation of this verse. For more information, here is a good Bible commentary on the subject by Jamieson Fausset and Brown. God bless you and keep you in peace and love and holiness. Praise the Lord for our salvation in Christ! God loves everyone. He loves the lost, the person trapped in hersey, and of course us authentic Christians walking in sound doctrine. Praise the Lord!
Revelation 14 - Jamison, Fausset Brown Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
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Knock,Knock
Ok AOK, I'll say this, you are pretty good at Scripture, This will be my last reply to Ya, We both no where stand on this issue, and I know you feel as strong as I do about what we beleave, I beleave we should keep our Fathers Commandments and you dont, Humm anyway you had great answers to everything I thur at ya, and Got me confussed,
but the one thing you said you didnt have time for and avoided, answering was this Proverbs 3:1-6 from your own words Please, and oh yea I think you will be talking to our Father not me this time, So if you not blowing smoke and twisting Scripure's, To decieve Gods Children, Please answer
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
Exhortations to Obedience
Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Now here you are walking down the beach, just you and our Father in Heaven comes up to Ya and says,
1. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.________________________________________________ ____________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4_________________________________________________ __________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
　
Hope you dont avoid these six, and Thank you, its been real intresting! you have the floor,
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
Ok AOK, I'll say this, you are pretty good at Scripture, This will be my last reply to Ya, We both no where stand on this issue, and I know you feel as strong as I do about what we beleave, I beleave we should keep our Fathers Commandments and you dont, Humm anyway you had great answers to everything I thur at ya, and Got me confussed,
but the one thing you said you didnt have time for and avoided, answering was this Proverbs 3:1-6 from your own words Please, and oh yea I think you will be talking to our Father not me this time, So if you not blowing smoke and twisting Scripure's, To decieve Gods Children, Please answer
And if you would for me, and I thank you in advance, Please in you words answer this Scripture, how you interpitd each line number 1 thur 6
Exhortations to Obedience
Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Now here you are walking down the beach, just you and our Father in Heaven comes up to Ya and says,
1. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
1.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
2.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
3.________________________________________________ ____________ your anwser here
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
4_________________________________________________ __________. your answer here.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
5.________________________________________________ ____________ your answer here.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
6_________________________________________________ your answer here.
　
Hope you dont avoid these six, and Thank you, its been real intresting! you have the floor,
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.
"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
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I seek to handle the Word of God carefully and accurately. I talk to God all the time. In fact, I'm coming back from a Bible Study and seeing your post right now. God loves you very much. We are his crowning act of creation and He loves each one of us.
The problem you have is that you were taught a partial truth influenced by heresy. So you have a mixed revelation of Bronze and Clay. The Bronze is the Word of God that you accurately understand and the Clay is the heresy and scripture twisted to conform with an external influence (Ellen G. White and the SDA church founders) you were taught along with it.
This comes out in strange comments like I don't follow the Father's commandments. I live a very holy life enveloped by God's holiness, in fact. This is what God asks of me, wants for me, and through His spirit helps me accomplish. I couldn't do it apart from Him. I wouldn't want to apart from Him. I delight in following my conscience and the law God has written on my heart. But I am not under the Law of Moses, sealed with the Sabbath rather than the Spirit, working to earn my salvation because Jesus's attonement wasn't enough, etc...
I am not under the Old Covenant God established with Moses for the Nation of Israel. I am under a New Covenant, exactly as scripture said would happen in Christ and what did happen because of Christ. This New Covenant encompasses all the moral law and exactly what the writer of Hebrew is warning their Messianic Hebrew audience not to abandon in the verses you brought up to return to the Law of Moses and the Old Covenant.
What I am doing, out of love for the lost, the saved, and the deceived that read this for the remaining time I have left where I can really spend hours here is to invest in your life and the lives of those here that read what I write (for the Lord is taking me into ministry in the near future, in fact I was prayed over tonight for it) is to share all that I can of sound doctrine. So many of you here have never been exposed to it.
I felt the Lord lead me to pray for you shortly after I posted my last post in this thread and that I did. I began to pray that God would reveal Himself to you and give you understanding and then the Lord led me to pray that we ALL receive complete truth and understanding in God's Word. That's God. Wanting to bless us all.
Proverbs 3:1-6 (The Rewards of Wisdom): "1My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments; 2For length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you. 3Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart. 4So you will find favor and good repute in the sight of God and man. 5Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. 6In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight."
Solomon most likely wrote this passage; however, there is a possibility it was one of the other contributors to the Book of Proverbs.
This is an Old Testament exhortation to obedience, trust in God's providence, to humility, to charity, and to submit to God's chastening for one's betterment when it becomes necessary.
What it isn't telling us to do is discount the historically accurate understanding of scripture and grasp onto the heresy of modern false prophets and prophetesses (including those that arose from the Great Disappointment of George's false prophecy).
Trusting in the Lord and leaning not unto your own understanding takes on added significance when one is raised with modern heresy. You should be trusting in the Lord to lead you away from modern heresy and into sound doctrine.
All of the cults use this verse because it helps them to get people to disconnect their brain from truth so they can stay in the heresy. The Mormons do this, the Jehovah's Witness do this, the Seventh Day Adventists do this, etc...
Just disconnect your brain so it can't properly process any longer and feel the heresy and God will make our heresy real to you is how it goes. Often other passages are combined to inspire fear to do just that. Nonsense.
What the writer is REALLY communicating is to commit your way to the Lord; trust in him, and he will act.’ Here there is no question but that the Psalmist is looking for an upright life. But there is no question, either, that basically he is advocating an attitude. He calls on men to put their trust in the Lord, which is only another way of telling them to live by faith. Sometimes men are urged to trust the Word of God (Ps. 119:42), but more usually it is faith in God himself that is sought. ‘Trust in the Lord with all your heart; and do not rely on your own insight’ (Pr. 3:5).
The latter part of this verse frowns upon trust in one’s own powers, and this thought is frequent. ‘He who trusts in his own mind is a fool’ (Pr. 28:26). A man may not trust to his own righteousness (Ezk. 33:13). Ephraim is castigated for trusting ‘in your chariots (Heb. ‘way’) and in the multitude of your warriors’ (Ho. 10:13). Trust in idols is often denounced (Is. 42:17; Hab. 2:18).
Jeremiah warns against confidence in anything human, ‘Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from the Lord’ (Je. 17:5). The list of things not to be trusted in might be multiplied, and it is the more impressive alongside the even more lengthy list of passages urging trust in the Lord. It is clear that the men of the OT thought of the Lord as the one worthy object of trust.
They put not their trust in anything they did, or that other men did, or that the gods did. Their trust was in the Lord alone. Sometimes this is picturesquely expressed. Thus he is ‘my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom 1 take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold’ (Ps. 18:2). Faith may be confidently rested in a God like that.
Special mention must be made of Abraham. His whole life gives evidence of a spirit of trustfulness, of a deep faith. Of him it is recorded that ‘he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness’ (Gn. 15:6). This text is taken up by NT writers, and the fundamental truth it expresses developed more fully.
That's what the writer is communicating. May He lead you into all truth.
The problem you have is that you were taught a partial truth influenced by heresy. So you have a mixed revelation of Bronze and Clay. The Bronze is the Word of God that you accurately understand and the Clay is the heresy and scripture twisted to conform with an external influence (Ellen G. White and the SDA church founders) you were taught along with it.
This comes out in strange comments like I don't follow the Father's commandments. I live a very holy life enveloped by God's holiness, in fact. This is what God asks of me, wants for me, and through His spirit helps me accomplish. I couldn't do it apart from Him. I wouldn't want to apart from Him. I delight in following my conscience and the law God has written on my heart. But I am not under the Law of Moses, sealed with the Sabbath rather than the Spirit, working to earn my salvation because Jesus's attonement wasn't enough, etc...
I am not under the Old Covenant God established with Moses for the Nation of Israel. I am under a New Covenant, exactly as scripture said would happen in Christ and what did happen because of Christ. This New Covenant encompasses all the moral law and exactly what the writer of Hebrew is warning their Messianic Hebrew audience not to abandon in the verses you brought up to return to the Law of Moses and the Old Covenant.
What I am doing, out of love for the lost, the saved, and the deceived that read this for the remaining time I have left where I can really spend hours here is to invest in your life and the lives of those here that read what I write (for the Lord is taking me into ministry in the near future, in fact I was prayed over tonight for it) is to share all that I can of sound doctrine. So many of you here have never been exposed to it.
I felt the Lord lead me to pray for you shortly after I posted my last post in this thread and that I did. I began to pray that God would reveal Himself to you and give you understanding and then the Lord led me to pray that we ALL receive complete truth and understanding in God's Word. That's God. Wanting to bless us all.
Proverbs 3:1-6 (The Rewards of Wisdom): "1My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments; 2For length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you. 3Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart. 4So you will find favor and good repute in the sight of God and man. 5Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. 6In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight."
Solomon most likely wrote this passage; however, there is a possibility it was one of the other contributors to the Book of Proverbs.
This is an Old Testament exhortation to obedience, trust in God's providence, to humility, to charity, and to submit to God's chastening for one's betterment when it becomes necessary.
What it isn't telling us to do is discount the historically accurate understanding of scripture and grasp onto the heresy of modern false prophets and prophetesses (including those that arose from the Great Disappointment of George's false prophecy).
Trusting in the Lord and leaning not unto your own understanding takes on added significance when one is raised with modern heresy. You should be trusting in the Lord to lead you away from modern heresy and into sound doctrine.
All of the cults use this verse because it helps them to get people to disconnect their brain from truth so they can stay in the heresy. The Mormons do this, the Jehovah's Witness do this, the Seventh Day Adventists do this, etc...
Just disconnect your brain so it can't properly process any longer and feel the heresy and God will make our heresy real to you is how it goes. Often other passages are combined to inspire fear to do just that. Nonsense.
What the writer is REALLY communicating is to commit your way to the Lord; trust in him, and he will act.’ Here there is no question but that the Psalmist is looking for an upright life. But there is no question, either, that basically he is advocating an attitude. He calls on men to put their trust in the Lord, which is only another way of telling them to live by faith. Sometimes men are urged to trust the Word of God (Ps. 119:42), but more usually it is faith in God himself that is sought. ‘Trust in the Lord with all your heart; and do not rely on your own insight’ (Pr. 3:5).
The latter part of this verse frowns upon trust in one’s own powers, and this thought is frequent. ‘He who trusts in his own mind is a fool’ (Pr. 28:26). A man may not trust to his own righteousness (Ezk. 33:13). Ephraim is castigated for trusting ‘in your chariots (Heb. ‘way’) and in the multitude of your warriors’ (Ho. 10:13). Trust in idols is often denounced (Is. 42:17; Hab. 2:18).
Jeremiah warns against confidence in anything human, ‘Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from the Lord’ (Je. 17:5). The list of things not to be trusted in might be multiplied, and it is the more impressive alongside the even more lengthy list of passages urging trust in the Lord. It is clear that the men of the OT thought of the Lord as the one worthy object of trust.
They put not their trust in anything they did, or that other men did, or that the gods did. Their trust was in the Lord alone. Sometimes this is picturesquely expressed. Thus he is ‘my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom 1 take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold’ (Ps. 18:2). Faith may be confidently rested in a God like that.
Special mention must be made of Abraham. His whole life gives evidence of a spirit of trustfulness, of a deep faith. Of him it is recorded that ‘he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness’ (Gn. 15:6). This text is taken up by NT writers, and the fundamental truth it expresses developed more fully.
That's what the writer is communicating. May He lead you into all truth.
C
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin
Jesus gave two commandments that encompass the ten given in the mosaic law. Walk in love and truth and you dont come under the law. try and live by the law and your indebted to keep the whole law, not just one part. Lean not upon our own understanding, divide the Word the correctly at the cross of that division being made from old testament covenant to the new. In the new testament we are to love even our enemies, not eye for an eye. Jesus deires mercy not sacrifice, mercy is love to the fullest, Gods mercy for His love for us gave us His only begotten Son, Jesus.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin
Jesus gave two commandments that encompass the ten given in the mosaic law. Walk in love and truth and you dont come under the law. try and live by the law and your indebted to keep the whole law, not just one part. Lean not upon our own understanding, divide the Word the correctly at the cross of that division being made from old testament covenant to the new. In the new testament we are to love even our enemies, not eye for an eye. Jesus deires mercy not sacrifice, mercy is love to the fullest, Gods mercy for His love for us gave us His only begotten Son, Jesus.