"A Counterfeit Gospel"

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 21, 2010

I studied at more than one mainstream evangelical conservative Bible college on my path to completing the M.Div.. I also have an MBA and a Bachelors of Science from good regionally accredited universities. All degrees were with an A average. I have been a fully committed Christian 23 years through the good times and the hard times including being laid off in the Great Recession and developing serious arthritis which hurt me much.

I do not have a PhD and I am not a Doctor of Divinity. That is scholarly step above me. However, I do have certifications and specialized training in addition to my degrees and network with world-class scholars in the SoCal area. That's the truth so what else is there to say really? Why do you want my entire resume Consumed laid out in the forum. I love you but I'm not applying for a job with you here am I? No I'm not. I've answered your question truthfully and frankly and as far as I am going to without knowing you in real life as a personal friend. Of course, then you find out everything... lol.

In the future, you might want to list all your credentials and accomplishments and places and dates of your studies in the forum first before asking such a thing from members here. Lead by example. Peace and God bless.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 21, 2010

I apologize if that sounded rude Consumed. I didn't mean to come across like that. I was typing super fast and not really thinking about how it might sound. Anyways, the content is correct. Just disregard anything that sounds rude. My bad on that. Peace and God bless. See you in chat.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 21, 2010

Also the fact it is 12:45 AM here and I'm past beat is the reason. Night.

Consumed · Jul 21, 2010

i attend a pentecost church, been doing ministry for 8 yrs , have declined to do bible college(they'll pay) on a few occassion as they want me to have paperwork so as to certify us as a pastor, im happy where i am at with God, He provides all my needs and blesses all i do without mans approval rating and "credentials" so can you answer what church are you planted in brother, its a general question so i dont feel i was being out of line asking as such,

Ricke · Jul 21, 2010

The Church founded by Jesus has now become many religions, cults, and every wind and doctrine of Satan you can think of.

And if that is'nt bad enough we now have multiple versions of The Bible, where certain words, phrases, and even entire sentences have been changed to confuse people even further.
Satan knows his time is running out. A lot of people have grown cold toward church, and serving The Lord. Why do you think The Muslims are having so much in road with former " Christians".

There is only one Koran, but The Devil has made sure Christians have multiple Bibles to confuse them against other Christians with A different Bible not worded the Same.

If the Bible you read has the word "copyright" or " copyrighted"
Written in the front pages...throw it away, Gods word is not copyrighted. The King James Version is not copyrighted.

ibewhoibe · Jul 21, 2010

Good Morning AOK,

Well, I said I wount'nt reply, and so I lied, and I'm sorry for that, but I feel I must, as I knew from the first time I seen you come on here, "you was a very Special Person", and I thought maybe, I could give you some in-sight as you work in your minstry,

First I want to thank you as you have given me great in-sight to our Fathers Call, You are a very Powerful Teacher of our Fathers Word, and I'm sure our Father is well Pleased as you compared to me, are way more educated, as I'm guessing you are collage taught, I'm an eight grade drop out that as worked in construction on swimming pools my whole life, So with that said, I want to Say I'm also a none denominational taught Child of God, as I am a Disciple Of Jesus Christ, I've never heard what Mormons and Jehovahs and Sevneth Day Adventists are taught or what they beleave,

all I look at is do you beleave Jesus as your Savior, and well I think when you started calling me sda hersey, I got a mental block, and I want to apolijize for insulting your inteligance, as I know you are way a head of me in our calling,

I think this might be from our Father as to help both of us,

you see you must understand we are not all going to be on your leavel of thinking and or teaching, you can arteculate scripture very well, but can you come down to a child of God to explain it, No Matter what we were taught what denomenation we have learned, we are all seeking the truth, can you explain the truth with-out getting road blocks in frount of our understanding, you see I've never heard of EG White SDA,

all I know and see in Scripture is YOU want to enter Keep the Commandments, and I see Two, That make up Ten.

I truly Hope as it is my prayers, that you will contenu here with Christain Chat, as Like I said, I can learn from you I know, as well as many others here that need understanding,

Please as this site CC goes all over the world and Thats what our Father wants, for all the world to come to the truth!!
"I Be "

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 21, 2010

I appreciate your honesty ibewhoibe. I think we're finally communicating. Don't discount all I've said. God loves you very much and wants you to know all truth. Peace

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Consumed · Jul 21, 2010

AgeofKnowledge said:

i answered yet you wont reply,why brother???

earlier post read
i attend a pentecost church, been doing ministry for 8 yrs , have declined to do bible college(they'll pay) on a few occassion as they want me to have paperwork so as to certify us as a pastor, im happy where i am at with God, He provides all my needs and blesses all i do without mans approval rating and "credentials" so can you answer what church are you planted in brother, its a general question so i dont feel i was being out of line asking as such,

ibewhoibe · Jul 21, 2010

AgeofKnowledge said:

Knock, Knock

Hi AOK, Thank You and your welcome! So we are communicating now, and so I have understanding on this, is it your positition that we are saved by Grace and no matter what we do, we are always saved.

AOK, I'm losing my buddy to the devil, he's commiting adultery, and he says its ok he's under Grace,

My wars with he'm have been long and hard fought, So long and hard they look as stupid as our's all our post on here.

(ok deep breath)

Sorry, I'm hurting about this, this guy ( my buddy ) is a very nice guy, but as I've stated in past post, his in trouble, I'm trying to make him understand, yes we have Grace, and no we are not under the old law of thou shall not commit adultrey, our are we, is this OK, Help me please, I think I'm talking to him when talking to you, every scripture I thrown at him, he just smiles and says Grace, You just sling hersy and this SDA thing I've never heard of.

is this your belieaf as well once Saved always Saved

I Thank You Again, I know you have put a lot into this allready.

Our Father in Heaven see's your work's and I know he loves us all
God Bless you on this matter.

"I Be"

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 21, 2010

I thought you were a Seventh Day Adventist arguing that we are still under the Law of Moses for our salvation. I see you have said no that is not the case and are going in a OSAS direction here. There's a thread open on it. I'm sharing a good scholarly resource there. There are actually many good resources on this subject out there imo. As you can see from your friend's perspective, it's not good to just follow one's feelings about what you think scripture says. You have to dig into it and see what it really says and align that with reality.

I'd like to talk more about this with you. It's an important discussion and a serious one. God hates sin and His salvation and spiritual rebirth is for a new Godly life. Still there certainly is amazing grace thank you God. He loves us very much. Without God's grace we would all be lost. I have to work though at this time. So later friend. We can talk about it later. Peace out.

ibewhoibe said:

ibewhoibe · Jul 21, 2010

AgeofKnowledge said:

I thought you were a Seventh Day Adventist arguing that we are still under the Law of Moses for our salvation. I see you have said no that is not the case and are going in a OSAS direction here. There's a thread open on it. I'm sharing a good scholarly resource there. There are actually many good resources on this subject out there imo. As you can see from your friend's perspective, it's not good to just follow one's feelings about what you think scripture says. You have to dig into it and see what it really says and align that with reality.

I'd like to talk more about this with you. It's an important discussion and a serious one. God hates sin and His salvation and spiritual rebirth is for a new Godly life. Still there certainly is amazing grace thank you God. He loves us very much. Without God's grace we would all be lost. I have to work though at this time. So later friend. We can talk about it later. Peace out.

I thank you for your wisdom then,later

"I be"

charisenexcelcis · Jul 21, 2010

ibewhoibe said:

Knock,Knock

Exhortations to Obedience

Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Now here you are walking down the beach, just you and our Father in Heaven comes up to Ya and says,

1. My Son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
My Father, You know that apart from You my righteousness is filth. I have submitted my heart to Your Spirit to be transformed into the image of Christ.
2.For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
I thank You for every moment of life that You give me and will serve You wholeheartedly with every breath.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
Oh God, how can I forget mercy when You poured out mercy in abundance toward me. How can I forget truth, when Your truth has brought peace to my heart.

4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
I praise you God for the favor that was purchased for me on the cross.

5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Where else shall we go to receive the words of life. Your word is life.

6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Oh Lord, let your word and your Holy Spirit guide me in every step.
　
Hope you dont avoid these six, and Thank you, its been real intresting! you have the floor,
I'm going to end up learning something from you AOK I'm sure, I've read your post and I allready have. and I Thank our Father For it.

"I Be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"

Here are my answers. Righteousness does not exist apart from the grace of God.

charisenexcelcis · Jul 21, 2010

Consumed said:

I hope that someday God will send you to Bible College. For those who wish to dive deep in the Word of God, it is a great experience.

ed · Jul 22, 2010

ibewhoibe said:

Hi ibewhoibe,
I c an feel your anguish.
If your mate will still let you talk scripture to you show this to him.
1 Corinthians 6:15 " Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them members of an harlot? God forbid. 16; What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commitheth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I assume that your mate is a Christian therefore do not become tempted as he is being tempted, but continue being his friend. He will need you because it will all fall apart and you don't want him being bitter and feel deserted. Pray for him and for your work for him. Do not be thorn in his side but be a friend. Leave his rescuing to Jesus, Jesus will rescue him at the appropriate time.
God has taken on saving us to Himself because He knows we are too weak. And He is Almighty.Jesus Christ is His plan, Christ in us the hope of glory. I am very close to Jesus and I was a sinner in a congregration. My perfecting is His workmanship in me done at His time. I just have to want this. Hopefully your mate will want to be free from this situation in the very near future.
love
edwin.

Consumed · Jul 22, 2010

charisenexcelcis said:

yes thank you charis, i have been to a few sessions, even though my church encouraged me to do it and pay for it i still didnt have a peace about doing it. They didnt fault me on doctrine, what put me off was cause they said they wanted me to have "credentials" doing what i was already doing anyway, didnt seem right thats all.I didnt have the peace of God after praying and didnt while i tried their reasoning while i went. Thats just my walk, Jesus hasnt stopped loving me nor have i stopped doing what He wants me to do,

Doctrine and testimony of Jesus Christ is to love - agape

ibewhoibe · Jul 22, 2010

charisenexcelcis said:

Goodmorning Char, God Bless you Sir, when I woke and read your reply I fell to my knees in prayerto our Father I thanked him for you , I have pour ever post that I could find on you always, as I have great respect for you, I know what you've testified of what you use to be, and I know what you now do in your Minstry, I thank you from my heart, because you are right and its my answer I've been looking for and I will never forget it Sir.

Very Powerful of Truth of the Word , "Righteousness does not exist apart from the Grace of God"

I can now let it go, because of your reply Char, you have taken so much off my Chest with these wise words

and thats Peace to my Heart

Thank You From
"I Be"

ibewhoibe · Jul 22, 2010

ed said:

Hi ibewhoibe,
I c an feel your anguish.
If your mate will still let you talk scripture to you show this to him.
1 Corinthians 6:15 " Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them members of an harlot? God forbid. 16; What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commitheth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I assume that your mate is a Christian therefore do not become tempted as he is being tempted, but continue being his friend. He will need you because it will all fall apart and you don't want him being bitter and feel deserted. Pray for him and for your work for him. Do not be thorn in his side but be a friend. Leave his rescuing to Jesus, Jesus will rescue him at the appropriate time.
God has taken on saving us to Himself because He knows we are too weak. And He is Almighty.Jesus Christ is His plan, Christ in us the hope of glory. I am very close to Jesus and I was a sinner in a congregration. My perfecting is His workmanship in me done at His time. I just have to want this. Hopefully your mate will want to be free from this situation in the very near future.
love
edwin.

Thank you ed, I have the peace in this now, Our Father has truly spoke thur a friend that has gave me my answer this morning.
Righteousness does not exist apart from the grace of God.

livingbygrace · Jul 22, 2010

ibewhoibe said:

But if you are led by the spirit you are not under law. Gal 5:18

What does this mean?

But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control. Against such things there is no law. Gal5:22

livingbygrace · Jul 22, 2010

ed said:

We have to understand how to be free.

Paul said that he would never have known what lust really was if the commandment had not said. 'Thou shalt not covet.' But sin used this good commandment of God(one of the Ten Commandments) to arouse all manner of concupiscence(sexual desire) in Paul He said.

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
For when we were controlled by the sinful nanature the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies so that we bore fruit for death. But now,by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the cold way of the wrotten code? Rom7:5&6

Which law do we die to?

Paul follows this up by saying that by trying to obey the Ten Commandments he was condemned. Sin used the good laws of God to condemn him

If we are led by the Spirit we must love God. And if we are led by the Spirit the spirit will not lead us into conflict with any of God's good laws. Gal5:22
So the true Christian living by the Gospel of Grace, Christ gave to Paul does not need to refer to the written law of the Ten Commandments.

ibewhoibe · Jul 22, 2010

VW said:

Good Morning Vic,

I just want to again Thank You, for all you poured into this Thread, as that thur the whole posting you have not spoke thur Scripture but Thur the Holy Spirit, you and I have had long discusions on this Tread and others thread where I have really acted a fool, and you my Brother was right the whole time,and you never condemed me, as did you, In my prayers I have truly asked our Father to for-give me as I know now, he sent you and others in Christain Chat to speak to me, Our Father word "Scripture" is life and something thats real important to my heart, But you my Brother have made me relize just how Important Gods Power is thur The Holy Spirit, and its for that, I will and keep you and Charis in my prayers, and testtifie of Ya'lls work here on this earth age, and bare witness to our Father, and hope that you will for-give my lack of understanding as I.m still a work in progress, I always search for your postings as I have learn alot from you.
I am a Disciple of Jesus Christ, and Thru the Holy Spirit I will continue my qwest for Life, That I may know you and spend time in Heaven right here on earth with you as my Friend and Brother in Christ Jesus, in the Third Earth Age.

Blessings from "I Be"
and I Thank our Heavenly Father for You!!

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