A couple of questions

aworldexport67 · Apr 16, 2011

God sees His whole plan that He set into motion. We are told there is great glory to come. We cannot stand looking at a small sliver of this plan and hope to fully understand all what will be played out. I trust God fully to be Holy and Just and that He is able to turn the bad things into good all according to His Just and Holy will. God doesnt need to play a power trip. God is the Creator.His position is established. There is no one who can ursurp His Power or Authority. He need not play such games to gain a higher postion. He is God. The reason for us..well i find one reason and that is God so loved the world....Love..God does truly love us and i suspect He wants to have a creation that loves..There is great glory coming. Now we know in part but then shall we know fully as we are fully known by God. We can be rest assured we are in great hands and in the end will be Justice, Glory and Joy. God has a perfect plan..

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Answer those questions and you will see the answer to your own question.

God has a perfect plan and is in total control and in the end great glory...God bless..

journey41 · Apr 17, 2011

Rosewater said:

journey41 said:

journey41 · Apr 17, 2011

Dude653 said:

[/QUOTE]So that evil can be born. Evil is used for God's purpose to separate the goats from the sheep. God is using Lucifer as a tool. We are all learning a big lesson here. If there was no evil present, and everything good, then maybe we would of taken God for granted like those angels that followed Lucifer.

But God has given us a tool too. To know his word and have it inside us. His word is truth and with it we can discern & defeat the enemy. We must go through spiritual warfare before we can enter the kingdom.

journey41 · Apr 17, 2011

Gentile said:

journey41 said:

[/QUOTE]Thank you. May God bless you too.

The young utter things they do not understand. He's on a christian chat site. He doesn't speak like a christian but his parents must be christian? He's probably sore because he is at that age when they want independance, and christian parents tend to wrap in cotton wool because we know what it is like out there, and the kids sometimes get angry for they hear their parents say "God wont like it if you do this or that" and the resentment for God slowly builds up because they feel restricted because of our belief. I have a teenager. I know how they think. Maybe I'm wrong about the kid? I care for him, thats all. And he's got such a sweet face!

When God spoke to Ezekiel, I wonder if he was talking to us as well? These scriptures are pretty heavy, and I am not saying that God is going to kill this young boy, but to just be careful not to mock God because God can get angry too, and we dont want to be on the wrong side of him. Scary. Sins and mistakes can be forgiven but mocking God is a serious matter. It is deliberate.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if you WARN THE RIGHTEOUS MAN, that the righteous SIN NOT,, and he does not sin, HE SHALL SURELY LIVE, because he is WARNED; also you have delivered thy soul.

wakeup · Apr 17, 2011

SpiritFeather said:

because we must know what is good and what is evil; God is showing us what is good, and God is using satan to show us evil; and we are given a free choice to choose.
if we only know what is good, then we wont know what the oposite to good is; that means we can not be like God. Gods purpose is to destroy evil,but first evil must be born,and it was born in the garden. now evil must grow to the maximum first, and then it will be destroyed; and that will happen,when God is finished with satan and all his followers that love to do evil. then evil will be no more for ever. because satan is spirit and all the angels in heaven are also spirit; he can not perform his tricks in heaven.so god created men in the flesh, so satan can make that evil that is in his heart manifest, therefore now evil is born. and now satan is guilty. God can not find satan guilty for what he is thinking; he must act upon what is in his heart. i hope this will bring some light, God bless.

''wakeup''.

resurrection33 · Apr 18, 2011

SpiritFeather said:

This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.

I think you misunderstand what hell is. I don’t think it is a place we are sent to for eternity. I think it is a temporary condition we experience when we sin. The only way hell can last forever is if we continue to sin forever.

angelos · Apr 18, 2011

resurrection33 said:

unbiblical and wrong. If such were the case then missions and evangelism is the biggest waste of time ever.

unclefester · Apr 18, 2011

journey41 said:

Gentile said:

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The young utter things they do not understand. He's on a christian chat site. He doesn't speak like a christian but his parents must be christian? He's probably sore because he is at that age when they want independance, and christian parents tend to wrap in cotton wool because we know what it is like out there, and the kids sometimes get angry for they hear their parents say "God wont like it if you do this or that" and the resentment for God slowly builds up because they feel restricted because of our belief. I have a teenager. I know how they think. Maybe I'm wrong about the kid? I care for him, thats all. And he's got such a sweet face!

When God spoke to Ezekiel, I wonder if he was talking to us as well? These scriptures are pretty heavy, and I am not saying that God is going to kill this young boy, but to just be careful not to mock God because God can get angry too, and we dont want to be on the wrong side of him. Scary. Sins and mistakes can be forgiven but mocking God is a serious matter. It is deliberate.

Hello Journey 41,

I thought it might be wise to point out why the young man is sour. It has to do with what he has seen and experienced. It occurred through one of "God's ministers" no less, the chaplain at his current school. He spoke of it on another thread and quite frankly, I commend the young man for being on this site at all. The chaplain at his school pulled his hand away from the boy when they were shaking hands and "informed" the boy (at 14 yrs. old) that he has several demons. I can tell you that if it were my son that was spoken to in this manner, that "chaplain" would have been paid a visit......and he would not have liked it. To say something as vulgar and destructive as that to anyone, let alone a young person is EXACTLY why people are turned away from seeking the Lord. The culprit is false doctrines and false beliefs........and those who put forth such nonsense as was said to this boy have a heart within themselves that is void of truth and the saving knowledge of our Lord and Saviour......that being His love and forgiveness through grace freely given to any that would come to Him with a contrite and humble heart. There is nothing more tragic than ignorance and fear being the means used to "spread the good news" of the gospel. What other response could one realistically expect ? Just thought it wouldn't hurt for you to know the circumstances.

journey41 · Apr 19, 2011

unclefester;425495 [FONT=Comic Sans MS said:

[/QUOTE]Hi uncle, thanks for that.[/FONT] I'm lost for words. I dont know what to say? I hope the boy pulls through and proves them wrong. I guess the best way to tell if it's true or not is by whats coming out of his mouth. He could be just going through an angry period and may settle. I have a soft spot for the young. They are so vulnerable. They have everything going against them in this day and age. The world is so messed up, they dont know whats good or bad. Everything normal to them. And then they have this thing called hormones. Gets in the way of reasoning sometimes. We can just pray for him.

unclefester · Apr 19, 2011

journey41 said:

unclefester;425495 [FONT=Comic Sans MS said:

Be assured that it's not true. If anything, the heart of one spewing such nonsense is in greater need of God's grace than the person to whom they are speaking. God bless.

journey41 · Apr 19, 2011

unclefester said:

journey41 said:

[/QUOTE]It happened to my son when he was 4. I have been through it personally. It does happen. It's a long story, but I tried to cast it out for a year, and God finally answered my prayer. My son after this is a new boy. Everyone was so amazed by the change. He is 8 now and very spiritual beyond his years. He's my little miracle.

unclefester · Apr 19, 2011

journey41 said:

unclefester said:

Interesting. May I be so bold as to ask how you came to discover that your 4 yr.old son was possessed by a demon ? I'm curious as to whether this was your own discovery and if so, was it further "confirmed" by your church pastors ? What was your son doing that convinced you of this ? Am I correct to assume that it was only through the power of the Holy Spirit and through much praying in tongues that he was finally delivered ? If you prefer not to answer, it is understood.

apostolicchurchgoer · Apr 19, 2011

SpiritFeather said:

This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.

Well God is All Knowing the simple answer to your question is this... God gave free will

apostolicchurchgoer · Apr 19, 2011

God gave us free will

zone · Apr 19, 2011

oncemore said:

you watch Arnold Murray's Shepherd's Chapel i presume?

(or adhere to Branham's same same)

zone · Apr 19, 2011

journey41 said:

Gentile said:

[/QUOTE]Thank you. May God bless you too.

The young utter things they do not understand. He's on a christian chat site. He doesn't speak like a christian but his parents must be christian? He's probably sore because he is at that age when they want independance, and christian parents tend to wrap in cotton wool because we know what it is like out there, and the kids sometimes get angry for they hear their parents say "God wont like it if you do this or that" and the resentment for God slowly builds up because they feel restricted because of our belief. I have a teenager. I know how they think. Maybe I'm wrong about the kid? I care for him, thats all. And he's got such a sweet face!

When God spoke to Ezekiel, I wonder if he was talking to us as well? These scriptures are pretty heavy, and I am not saying that God is going to kill this young boy, but to just be careful not to mock God because God can get angry too, and we dont want to be on the wrong side of him. Scary. Sins and mistakes can be forgiven but mocking God is a serious matter. It is deliberate.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if you WARN THE RIGHTEOUS MAN, that the righteous SIN NOT,, and he does not sin, HE SHALL SURELY LIVE, because he is WARNED; also you have delivered thy soul.

uh.....um.....arg..... oh......groan.

what can be said about something like this?

from one presumptuous remark to another: followed up by a reckless abuse of The Word.

leave...that...kid....alone.

unclefester · Apr 19, 2011

zone said:

journey41 said:

SpiritFeather · Apr 19, 2011

Haha....ok....I didn't know all these answers would be here so shortly...umm...haven't read them all but hey thx for all your thought on this...ok now...uhhh...ok so people were given free will to choose...we weren't made robots for God to command everything we do.So why didn't God just create the ones who He knew would except?If we can choose freely then how could God even know who would choose and who wouldn't?Then He isn't all knowing then aye?

eternally-gratefull · Apr 19, 2011

SpiritFeather said:

If he did he would remove free will, because those who would have chose to reject were not given that opportunity.

This does not make sense, can you rephrase

journey41 · Apr 19, 2011

unclefester said:

journey41 said:

[/QUOTE]I dont go to church. Everything I have learnt is straight from the bible. I was always a christian, but was luke-warm. I decided to get serious and fully submit to God. This was a personal spiritual journey. It involved no-one else but me & my Lord, and that thing in there called conscience told me that from what I had learnt in the bible, had to be put into practise. I studied the word deeply now with a sincere heart. A different heart. I couldn't get enough of it. It was so exciting for me. The words jumped out at me as if they were alive. A transformation took place. This is the power of God.

It happened around that time. My son said that he saw a little asian girl hiding behind the curtains & under the table. The baby sitter called me to tell me. She was getting scared. There was nobody there. He was terrified. Then shortly afterwards, in the next few coming weeks he started acting odd. Would hurt other children for no reason. He suddenly became very mean & violent. He continued to do this daily. He would also attack kids in the shopping centre. I was dumbfounded. He would also swear and curse me in public. (We did not swear in our house)

I prayed and prayed but he was only getting worse. He was suddenly dangerous. Coming out with knives to attack from behind. He jumped on my girlfriends head while she was in our pool and nearly broke her neck. I would send him to his room and he would smash everything. Discipline and punishment would not deter his behaviour.

He would wake up screaming in the middle of the night and refused to be comforted. He would hiss at me like a snake. I knew then exactly what was going on. The more I prayed beside him, the more he hissed. It was like something out of a movie. His face & voice distorted. All I could do was cry and pray beside him.

Everything was a hassle. I was at the end of my tether. To even get him to come out of the shower turned into a big show. My husband told him to get out one night after he'd been in there for about 45 mins. He refused and refused. My husband tried to pull him out. My son, slithering like a snake in defiance, pulled away and in the process, his arm got dislocated. We didn't realise it at the time, but the next day when he complained.

He sat quietly on the lounge for the first time, holding his arm the whole day. He couldn't move it. He was quiet, unusual. I had to carry him to my daughters school to collect her. A mother noticed something wrong. I told her what happened. Get him to a hospital now she said. I said ok.

I got home and he was really crying from the pain. Screaming in fact. I said going to the hospital will take too much time & we need help NOW. We are going inside to pray and God is going to heal you now. Enough is enough. NOW. He screamed no, no. dont pray, dont pray. I sat him on the lounge and prayed for him, tears streaming down my cheeks and with all the emotion the frustration I had endured the past year. I commanded it to leave in Jesus name.

When the prayer was finished, I asked him to move his arm. He moved it freely. He said mommy it doesn't hurt anymore. He was just as amazed as me. He was healed instantly. I took him aside and spoke to him about God, I told him about fallen angels, and how we dont want them in this house. I told him that if he ever saw anything again to send it away in Jesus name. I also told him Gods plan. It was a lengthy heavy discussion to have with a young child. The best discussion we ever had. One I will never regret. He fully understood.

So, from that day on, it went. A new child. Tender, caring, always looking out for others. Never swears. Obeys us. Always prays. Asks me to pray for him when he's hurt himself. Prays for others. Is very intuitive. Asks so many questions about the bible. Knows more than most adults I know. He is very loved by his teachers, friends and anyone else who knows him. They always say what a special kid he is. So different. So mature beyond his years. So full of love and respect for others now. People remember that naughty little boy and go Wow. What happened?

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