A couple of questions

[journey41]

uh.....um.....arg..... oh......groan.

what can be said about something like this?

from one presumptuous remark to another: followed up by a reckless abuse of The Word.

leave...that...kid....alone.

[/QUOTE]That kid is in Gods hands, at Gods mercy, You like to turn it into a contraversy to belittle me, but you should find out about spiritual things, how the devil is real and how Jesus commanded devils out of people. No these are not fables, they really happened. It happened then, it happens now. You can tell by what comes out of their mouth. Does it bless or does it blasheme God? You judge what spirit is in them. By our words we are justified, and by our words we are condemned. You should know this.

 

[zone]

[/QUOTE]That kid is in Gods hands, at Gods mercy, You like to turn it into a contraversy to belittle me, but you should find out about spiritual things, how the devil is real and how Jesus commanded devils out of people. No these are not fables, they really happened. It happened then, it happens now. You can tell by what comes out of their mouth. Does it bless or does it blasheme God? You judge what spirit is in them. By our words we are justified, and by our words we are condemned. You should know this.

leave that boy alone.

 

[unclefester]

leave that boy alone.

I second that..... leave that boy alone. He is not yours to disparage.

 

[journey41]

leave that boy alone.

[/QUOTE]No we wouldn't want to put the fear of God into him and stop him from uttering bad things against our Lord now would we? Let him speak against our Father, let him mock. Lets protect him. Just dont upset him. We shouldn't attack his conscience. I mean he's only 15, let the poor boy go. Go where? So dont warn. You be ok. Thats all that matters right? Not your problem.

 

[journey41]

I second that..... leave that boy alone. He is not yours to disparage.

And you unclefester, I thought had more in you than that. You tricked me to revealing something close to my heart. You tricked me to open up to you and for all to see. My personal struggle, my pain, my victory. Shame on you. Another lesson learnt.

 

[unclefester]

[/QUOTE]I dont go to church. Everything I have learnt is straight from the bible. I was always a christian, but was luke-warm. I decided to get serious and fully submit to God. This was a personal spiritual journey. It involved no-one else but me & my Lord, and that thing in there called conscience told me that from what I had learnt in the bible, had to be put into practise. I studied the word deeply now with a sincere heart. A different heart. I couldn't get enough of it. It was so exciting for me. The words jumped out at me as if they were alive. A transformation took place. This is the power of God.

It happened around that time. My son said that he saw a little asian girl hiding behind the curtains & under the table. The baby sitter called me to tell me. She was getting scared. There was nobody there. He was terrified. Then shortly afterwards, in the next few coming weeks he started acting odd. Would hurt other children for no reason. He suddenly became very mean & violent. He continued to do this daily. He would also attack kids in the shopping centre. I was dumbfounded. He would also swear and curse me in public. (We did not swear in our house)

I prayed and prayed but he was only getting worse. He was suddenly dangerous. Coming out with knives to attack from behind. He jumped on my girlfriends head while she was in our pool and nearly broke her neck. I would send him to his room and he would smash everything. Discipline and punishment would not deter his behaviour.

He would wake up screaming in the middle of the night and refused to be comforted. He would hiss at me like a snake. I knew then exactly what was going on. The more I prayed beside him, the more he hissed. It was like something out of a movie. His face & voice distorted. All I could do was cry and pray beside him.

Everything was a hassle. I was at the end of my tether. To even get him to come out of the shower turned into a big show. My husband told him to get out one night after he'd been in there for about 45 mins. He refused and refused. My husband tried to pull him out. My son, slithering like a snake in defiance, pulled away and in the process, his arm got dislocated. We didn't realise it at the time, but the next day when he complained.

He sat quietly on the lounge for the first time, holding his arm the whole day. He couldn't move it. He was quiet, unusual. I had to carry him to my daughters school to collect her. A mother noticed something wrong. I told her what happened. Get him to a hospital now she said. I said ok.

I got home and he was really crying from the pain. Screaming in fact. I said going to the hospital will take too much time & we need help NOW. We are going inside to pray and God is going to heal you now. Enough is enough. NOW. He screamed no, no. dont pray, dont pray. I sat him on the lounge and prayed for him, tears streaming down my cheeks and with all the emotion the frustration I had endured the past year. I commanded it to leave in Jesus name.

When the prayer was finished, I asked him to move his arm. He moved it freely. He said mommy it doesn't hurt anymore. He was just as amazed as me. He was healed instantly. I took him aside and spoke to him about God, I told him about fallen angels, and how we dont want them in this house. I told him that if he ever saw anything again to send it away in Jesus name. I also told him Gods plan. It was a lengthy heavy discussion to have with a young child. The best discussion we ever had. One I will never regret. He fully understood.

So, from that day on, it went. A new child. Tender, caring, always looking out for others. Never swears. Obeys us. Always prays. Asks me to pray for him when he's hurt himself. Prays for others. Is very intuitive. Asks so many questions about the bible. Knows more than most adults I know. He is very loved by his teachers, friends and anyone else who knows him. They always say what a special kid he is. So different. So mature beyond his years. So full of love and respect for others now. People remember that naughty little boy and go Wow. What happened?

I'll respond in kind to this tomorrow. There's so many holes in this story, I don't know where to start.

 

[zone]

No we wouldn't want to put the fear of God into him and stop him from uttering bad things against our Lord now would we? Let him speak against our Father, let him mock. Lets protect him. Just dont upset him. We shouldn't attack his conscience. I mean he's only 15, let the poor boy go. Go where? So dont warn. You be ok. Thats all that matters right? Not your problem.

where do these people come from?
God help us all.

 

[journey41]

where do these people come from?
God help us all.

[/QUOTE]Where do you come from? What is your name? Who do you serve?

 

[journey41]

I'll respond in kind to this tomorrow. There's so many holes in this story, I don't know where to start.

[/QUOTE]Let me guess, it's starts with I dont go to church?

 

[unclefester]

And you unclefester, I thought had more in you than that. You tricked me to revealing something close to my heart. You tricked me to open up to you and for all to see. My personal struggle, my pain, my victory. Shame on you. Another lesson learnt.

Let's put you and I aside for the time being and consider the emotional damage being inflicted on an innocent 14 yr.old boy first. NOBODY has the right to say to him the things that he has been told journey41. And people here further "confirming" that " it could be true" only serves to compound this damage. The simple fact of the matter is that it is not true...regardless of what anybody here wants to believe. Our compassion is to go where it is needed first.....and in this case it is with this young boy. His well-being and welfare HAS to be first in our heart....particularly in light of what he has already been put through "phsycologically and emotionally" for the cause of "God's word". It doesn't border on abuse.....it is abuse ! I will refrain from commenting on your story. It is neither my intent or desire to cause you harm. I only ask that you refrain from adding further to the harm done to this boy by simply throwing him and his emotions to the curb for the sake of what you believe. We as Christians must be more compassionate than that......especially where children are concerned. You were correct in your first assessment of me. I do have more in me than that. I am not seeking to mock or trick anybody. Merely taking up a worthy cause of a young boy with no means to defend and protect himself. It is my prayer that you and your family find comfort and peace in God's love through Christ.

 

[Dough57]

I am not going to quote everything Journey said but I gotta tell that is one great response you gave! I know a guy that can read the Bible cover to cover (and has many times) in a week.He can quote scripture inside and out but he confesses to me though he doesn't "feel" the Bible. I don't knkow why but it is in part I think because he hasn't released the world yet and still hangs on to needing proof or logic. I try to talk with some people about he LORD and the Bible and soon realize they aren't ready toi hear what the Bible has for them. In trhe end it is by faith that we "know". Persnoally I can't see the world and the heavens and see how anyone can not believe in God and know He has a plan.

It is worth mentioning, Satan caused Eve to sin by tempting her with being like and knowing all like the gods.

I don't try to figure out all the happens and why, only that He is in control.

Dough57

 

[SpiritFeather]

I have a lot of people try to figure out and explain why they have come to the conclusion that God's motives are but trickery and not of love.Though...every example they use are related to what we all call logic.Things such as, 'If someone knew that their kid was gonna end up in Hell then they would not give him life' ...(notice the word 'KNEW' because we all know the bible says God is all knowing and He is the same as he always was and never will change...of course if we KNEW our kid would live in suffering without a doubt, then no, giving 'life' to them would be just giving a suffering eternity....this is logic...now I thought I had gotten pretty much stumped on this and that maybe God's motives were not of love....but then again...when does spirituality conform to logic?The man who was blind and made to see...the guy who was healed and picked up his mat and walked...when Jesus walked on the water and calmed the storm...this all defys logic and/or science.SO how can we try to understand God and His motives with logic?We can't because there is nothing logical about Him.He defys science and goes WAAYYY past what our mind can handle.Like the old hymn "I am not skilled to understand, what God has willed, what God has planned." (also Aaron Shust used this in his song 'My savior, my God' )

 

[Ramon]

I have a lot of people try to figure out and explain why they have come to the conclusion that God's motives are but trickery and not of love.Though...every example they use are related to what we all call logic.Things such as, 'If someone knew that their kid was gonna end up in Hell then they would not give him life' ...(notice the word 'KNEW' because we all know the bible says God is all knowing and He is the same as he always was and never will change...of course if we KNEW our kid would live in suffering without a doubt, then no, giving 'life' to them would be just giving a suffering eternity....this is logic...now I thought I had gotten pretty much stumped on this and that maybe God's motives were not of love....but then again...when does spirituality conform to logic?The man who was blind and made to see...the guy who was healed and picked up his mat and walked...when Jesus walked on the water and calmed the storm...this all defys logic and/or science.SO how can we try to understand God and His motives with logic?We can't because there is nothing logical about Him.He defys science and goes WAAYYY past what our mind can handle.Like the old hymn "I am not skilled to understand, what God has willed, what God has planned." (also Aaron Shust used this in his song 'My savior, my God' )

Who is this lady!!?? LOL.

AMEN!!!