A curious Question about Angels
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Yes its simply, God uses people who share the good news as messenger of God. Only God can see into the heart.
God is not served by human hands he can send his messages even to stop the madness of false prophets.Even using a unclean animal to represent nature unconverted man..... again to inform us he is not served by human hands as a will or angel that have no form as a will .
Numbers 22:28And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
God is not served by human hands he can send his messages even to stop the madness of false prophets.Even using a unclean animal to represent nature unconverted man..... again to inform us he is not served by human hands as a will or angel that have no form as a will .
Numbers 22:28And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
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Those would be human messengers, brothers and sisters in Christ that we have not met before.
If angels could take on form. Then in Mathew 16 Satan the father of lies wasted his time by putting His thoughts on the lips of Peter rather than putting on his own form .They have no DNA.
Just as he did in the garden put his words on the lips of a serpent. Without flesh and blood the things seen the father of lies has no authority to reveal himself to the outward world.
If angels could take on form. Then in Mathew 16 Satan the father of lies wasted his time by putting His thoughts on the lips of Peter rather than putting on his own form .They have no DNA.
Just as he did in the garden put his words on the lips of a serpent. Without flesh and blood the things seen the father of lies has no authority to reveal himself to the outward world.
Here is one answer I found: FYI......I go with "we don't know" 
Short Answer: We don't know.
Some possibilities:
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gospels - How did Peter recognize Elijah and Moses ...
Short Answer: We don't know.
Some possibilities:
- There was some sort of heavenly announcement, similar to the voice of the Father at Jesus' baptism (reference)
- Jesus explained it to them, as He was accustomed to having to do for them. (Keep in mind that there is a lot of stuff that wasn't recorded in Scripture!) (reference)
- They recognized it by divine illumination, similar to Peter's recognition of who Jesus really was (reference)
- Prior to Peter referencing them by name, it says (in verse 3) that Jesus was talking with them. Perhaps Jesus called them by name and Peter overheard.
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gospels - How did Peter recognize Elijah and Moses ...
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This is your opinion, right? I hope so.............because I have to disagree.........as for the Peter example. the devil often uses humans to speak his message so as to discredit them..........and to make his message more palatable to the audience.
As for Christ in the wilderness............I still believe it was the devil himself, not bunches of his minions...........
To say that angels can or can't do this or that is to limit God's power. I'm not willing to do that...........
just my thoughts
As for Christ in the wilderness............I still believe it was the devil himself, not bunches of his minions...........
To say that angels can or can't do this or that is to limit God's power. I'm not willing to do that...........
just my thoughts
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You are a nice Guy Garee, but somewhere along the line you have to stop allegorizing and spiritualizing and turning to a metaphor every verse in Scripture.
Angels are NOT humans. They can take on human form, but they are DIFFERENT beings.
These passages and many more make CERTAIN Angels are different than humans.
Hebrews 2:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 You have made him [a]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[b]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [c]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
1 Corinthians 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
Angels are NOT humans. They can take on human form, but they are DIFFERENT beings.
These passages and many more make CERTAIN Angels are different than humans.
Hebrews 2:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 You have made him [a]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[b]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [c]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
1 Corinthians 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
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The writer of Hebrews said they could take on human form. I believe scripture before I believe you.
I have encountered angels twice in my life, once while they were helping with a death and once while I was having a child. Both times they had no form but there was a difference in the light around them so I could make out a sort of form, and I perceived them rather than see them. Both times the angels let me know I was not supposed to know they were there as I was human. We communicated but without spoken words, although what they "said" came to me clearly. Both times I asked for some favor and both times they said they could not grant them but would ask permission to do so. Once I asked to delay the death until morning, and that was done. At the birth, I asked that the baby live, and that was done for 21 years when she was taken.
They told me that they only obeyed the Lord, and reacted to circumstances but could not change them without permission. They were going to take my baby because her body was defective so it would make her cry. They wondered why humans cry!!
I have encountered angels twice in my life, once while they were helping with a death and once while I was having a child. Both times they had no form but there was a difference in the light around them so I could make out a sort of form, and I perceived them rather than see them. Both times the angels let me know I was not supposed to know they were there as I was human. We communicated but without spoken words, although what they "said" came to me clearly. Both times I asked for some favor and both times they said they could not grant them but would ask permission to do so. Once I asked to delay the death until morning, and that was done. At the birth, I asked that the baby live, and that was done for 21 years when she was taken.
They told me that they only obeyed the Lord, and reacted to circumstances but could not change them without permission. They were going to take my baby because her body was defective so it would make her cry. They wondered why humans cry!!
angels cannot change form they have no form to change into or from. Without flesh and blood creatures (serpent and human) he did not speak. As the antichrist(singular) Satan worked in Cain as a member of the antichrist(many) to murder His brother Abel
.It is the MO of the antichrist (singular) Satan, to influence that which has form men. antichrists (many) are seduc the to belivers we do need a man Peter to teach us rather than the holy Spirit not seen. Its a function of two working together a lying Spirit and a form to accredited the words to to . It why he said to Peter get me behind me Satan .He was not rebuking the wind that has no DNA but the evil work needing two to complete it
He can appear as a vision to enter ones fleshly mind eye like in Mathew 4. The father of lies showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the whole world and the glory of them without moving one inch in the sand .By lying spirit bringing lying wonders . Jesus did not entertain that angel but three time said as it is written .Not as the eyes see or the mind draws pictures as vison used as a parable
Colossians 2:18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
.It is the MO of the antichrist (singular) Satan, to influence that which has form men. antichrists (many) are seduc the to belivers we do need a man Peter to teach us rather than the holy Spirit not seen. Its a function of two working together a lying Spirit and a form to accredited the words to to . It why he said to Peter get me behind me Satan .He was not rebuking the wind that has no DNA but the evil work needing two to complete it
He can appear as a vision to enter ones fleshly mind eye like in Mathew 4. The father of lies showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the whole world and the glory of them without moving one inch in the sand .By lying spirit bringing lying wonders . Jesus did not entertain that angel but three time said as it is written .Not as the eyes see or the mind draws pictures as vison used as a parable
Colossians 2:18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Hi thanks for the reply
Sorry about my first try. I hit the save button prematurely .
I am trying to see where spirit beings that have no DNA can take on a form of their own? Where in Hebrews does it say that?
Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth with us any more that it was with the Son of man, Jesus in Mathew 4.
We are to walk by faith of Christ as it is written. And I would add he is no longer bringing any new revelations as prophecy in any manner. The last book (Revelation) in respect to the warning not to add or subtract from the book of his integrity is sealed up from the possibility of any new direct revelation. The perfect has come.
It is how we try the spirits to see if they are of God, not seen, or of men, seen . If any say I had a dream or a vison, or heard a audible voice we are to believe not . We were warned in advance before the perfect had come and new prophecy ceased. I would be careful to what you believe as to how. It can help determine who one believes? Lying spirits can bring illusions even ones that end up as a blessing because of the great Joy in a sense remove a person to wonderment for a moment . Tragedies I think can work the same way. God promises he will send a strong delusion to those who believes the lying signs and wonders so they can keep on believing their own fleshly minds.
Its never the messenger we are to worship as if scripture was the truth and way of the one sent with the authority of another. Satan simply turns that upside down to take away the understanding of God's interpretation , the bible..... as a counterfeit wonderment. Be careful of how we wonder, and be joyful in the Lord always .
Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into "those things" which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
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The greeting fear not most likely comes from the stories we read in the Bible about angels. They are associated with death and I'm sure many wives tales had started by saying if you get a visit your time is up. Could very well be how the grim reaper came to be.
Entertain angels unaware could mean both messengers of God or angelic being it's been seen both ways.
Satan appearing as a angel of light could be just that a disguise. It also could be an expression of warning that one may appear with good intentions and say what seems to be the right things but ......??? Could be a reference or reminder of Judas .
Entertain angels unaware could mean both messengers of God or angelic being it's been seen both ways.
Satan appearing as a angel of light could be just that a disguise. It also could be an expression of warning that one may appear with good intentions and say what seems to be the right things but ......??? Could be a reference or reminder of Judas .
Yes both ways. One seen the others not.Two difernt "kinds" of creations
God creates after kinds. No mixing
Both are represented as sons of God led by the Spirit of God. One has dna the other none . An Ass can be used as a messenger to work to in the heart of man and restrain the madness of a false prophet.
God is not served by human hand in any way shape or form or served by the will of angels that have not left the first place of habitation .( the invisible presence of God) . They are not subject to salvation, not being made in the image of God as two that could multiply. That is reserved for the human kind or mankind.
Satan cannot take on the form of man .He can seduce him like with Peter but never take on the literal flesh and blood.
God creates after kinds. No mixing
Both are represented as sons of God led by the Spirit of God. One has dna the other none . An Ass can be used as a messenger to work to in the heart of man and restrain the madness of a false prophet.
God is not served by human hand in any way shape or form or served by the will of angels that have not left the first place of habitation .( the invisible presence of God) . They are not subject to salvation, not being made in the image of God as two that could multiply. That is reserved for the human kind or mankind.
Satan cannot take on the form of man .He can seduce him like with Peter but never take on the literal flesh and blood.
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I agree that we are not to worship angels, they worship and work for the Lord just like we do. I do not agree that experience is not a teacher. Experience needs to be tested for our emotional distortion of memory and our understanding of God needs to be tested against experience. God is truth, everything needs to line up.
My angel experience taught me many things. It is true that some angels have no earthly form, scripture tells us that one kind only does. Jesus verified the different classes of angels who He spoke of kinds of evil spirits that are fallen angels. Mar_9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. The angels I perceived rather than saw had no earthly form. It is true to my experience that it is the Lord who has authority, angels obey the Lord. It is true that Lord is the supreme power on earth for God runs the earth with precision but we can ask permission. It is answered based on our reason for asking being of love and acknowledging the Lord as our God.
I learned that God is interested and helpful to us always. In God's plan my baby would not have lived with a body that was ill so she could become resentful, but she lived because of my assurance that I would teach her about God and how God works, I would teach her joy. My Dad's death would have been terrible to handle that night they were going to take him. It was storming, people were telling him goodbye, Mom hadn't slept the night before. God let him stay the night when the storm cleared, Mom slept, the sun shone and all could be handled. But I promised to hold his hand and repeat the scripture he loved that night.
God is truth, and is powerful and with us always. Experiences teach us that. They also correct us if we misinterpret, they teach us to dig deeper.
My angel experience taught me many things. It is true that some angels have no earthly form, scripture tells us that one kind only does. Jesus verified the different classes of angels who He spoke of kinds of evil spirits that are fallen angels. Mar_9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. The angels I perceived rather than saw had no earthly form. It is true to my experience that it is the Lord who has authority, angels obey the Lord. It is true that Lord is the supreme power on earth for God runs the earth with precision but we can ask permission. It is answered based on our reason for asking being of love and acknowledging the Lord as our God.
I learned that God is interested and helpful to us always. In God's plan my baby would not have lived with a body that was ill so she could become resentful, but she lived because of my assurance that I would teach her about God and how God works, I would teach her joy. My Dad's death would have been terrible to handle that night they were going to take him. It was storming, people were telling him goodbye, Mom hadn't slept the night before. God let him stay the night when the storm cleared, Mom slept, the sun shone and all could be handled. But I promised to hold his hand and repeat the scripture he loved that night.
God is truth, and is powerful and with us always. Experiences teach us that. They also correct us if we misinterpret, they teach us to dig deeper.
Thanks for the reply. You seem like a nice person also
No one said all angels/messengers do not have form (no DNA.)
And as far a parables the signified or poetic language of God, its like some would have others stop rightfully dividing the word of God. Ignore the prescriptions? like in 2 Corinthian 4:18 .
What does it mean that without parables Christ spoke not? What are the limits? Can God use certain parts of history as historically true parables yet they hide the unseen understanding?
Not everything is a parable but everything hidden has a spiritual understanding hid from natural unconverted man who have no desire to search . That desire is given to us as his kingdom of priests . He even calls us kings . It is our glorious privilege that we can search out the understanding .
We are given a parable below to help us understand why he hides the spiritual understanding
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
He informs us without parables the signified language of God, Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God spoke not. It does inform us Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels as the Son of man was not used as a messenger.
Messengers that bring the gospel are messengers nothing more and nothing less. God used Balaam's Ass as a messenger to show us he is not served with human hands as a will and neither are we served by the will of the messengers that have no form.
Hebrews 2:7-9 does not say God cannot send his apotles out with messenges from God. And in the other verse you offered (1 Corinthians 6:3) It does not say there cannot be two kinds of messengers. Those seen as sons of God and those not seen as sons of God.
The verse seems to be saying in the new order as new creatures we will not be under the authority of the god of this world .The messengers that have not left there first place of habitation will take their proper place as it was before the fall. Turning things right side up
Why do men need to have angels that can take on what they say form? What would it do? How would it effect the gospel of faith ?
It would seem it all stem from the misinterpretation of a verse found in Genesis 6. which is simply informing that believers are to be yoked with other believer as sons of God (the generation of Christ) not to be yoked with daughters of man (the generation of Adam) that look to the things seen and do not walk by faith after the eternal not seen . What I call Hollywood stuff.
No one said all angels/messengers do not have form (no DNA.)
And as far a parables the signified or poetic language of God, its like some would have others stop rightfully dividing the word of God. Ignore the prescriptions? like in 2 Corinthian 4:18 .
What does it mean that without parables Christ spoke not? What are the limits? Can God use certain parts of history as historically true parables yet they hide the unseen understanding?
Not everything is a parable but everything hidden has a spiritual understanding hid from natural unconverted man who have no desire to search . That desire is given to us as his kingdom of priests . He even calls us kings . It is our glorious privilege that we can search out the understanding .
We are given a parable below to help us understand why he hides the spiritual understanding
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
He informs us without parables the signified language of God, Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God spoke not. It does inform us Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels as the Son of man was not used as a messenger.
Messengers that bring the gospel are messengers nothing more and nothing less. God used Balaam's Ass as a messenger to show us he is not served with human hands as a will and neither are we served by the will of the messengers that have no form.
Hebrews 2:7-9 does not say God cannot send his apotles out with messenges from God. And in the other verse you offered (1 Corinthians 6:3) It does not say there cannot be two kinds of messengers. Those seen as sons of God and those not seen as sons of God.
The verse seems to be saying in the new order as new creatures we will not be under the authority of the god of this world .The messengers that have not left there first place of habitation will take their proper place as it was before the fall. Turning things right side up
Why do men need to have angels that can take on what they say form? What would it do? How would it effect the gospel of faith ?
It would seem it all stem from the misinterpretation of a verse found in Genesis 6. which is simply informing that believers are to be yoked with other believer as sons of God (the generation of Christ) not to be yoked with daughters of man (the generation of Adam) that look to the things seen and do not walk by faith after the eternal not seen . What I call Hollywood stuff.
Hi thanks for the reply,
I am not saying that experience is not a teacher . But would ask if taught by what teacher? Whose work of faith teaches us what we can see with their help? The things God or those of men?
I was trying to say that experience in of itself is not the validator of the unseen spiritual truths of God . The Son of man, Jesus experienced it in Mathew 4 when Satan showed the Son of man all the kingdom of the world and the glory of them, promising to give them to Jesus.
To show us we are not to go above that which is written in the law and the prophets. Jesus three times said; "as it is written" .It alone is one source of faith by which we could believe God. ( His holy unseen place)
Human experiences is not a source of faith(the unseen) proving which God/ god was the author of the experience . But that which comes naturally after the imaginations of a fleshly mind. (no faith)..No one has received the goal of their faith their new incorruptible bodies in a new heaven and earth we perform the will of God as a living hope that goes beyond human hope to a new Home . .For who hopes for that which he already has .We are to do His will as he works in us with us humbling us without grumbling . He promises as one of the better things that accompanies salvation(Hebrew 6) He will not forget the work we have offered towards His name or authority
I would be careful on how a person mixes faith in what we do or hear .
While I am no judge it would seem to be safer to follow as in Mathew 4. Three times Jesus said as it is written again and again . The it in the in the phrase" as it is written". It represents the interpretation of God and not the private interpretation of men (us).
Again I would be careful on how we see the unseen eternal things as to who they are from. And also God is no longer adding new revelations as interpretations of God, we have the perfect law, the Bible. If any man say there is Christ, I had a dream or a vision, we are to believe not (no faith)
Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
I am not saying that experience is not a teacher . But would ask if taught by what teacher? Whose work of faith teaches us what we can see with their help? The things God or those of men?
I was trying to say that experience in of itself is not the validator of the unseen spiritual truths of God . The Son of man, Jesus experienced it in Mathew 4 when Satan showed the Son of man all the kingdom of the world and the glory of them, promising to give them to Jesus.
To show us we are not to go above that which is written in the law and the prophets. Jesus three times said; "as it is written" .It alone is one source of faith by which we could believe God. ( His holy unseen place)
Human experiences is not a source of faith(the unseen) proving which God/ god was the author of the experience . But that which comes naturally after the imaginations of a fleshly mind. (no faith)..No one has received the goal of their faith their new incorruptible bodies in a new heaven and earth we perform the will of God as a living hope that goes beyond human hope to a new Home . .For who hopes for that which he already has .We are to do His will as he works in us with us humbling us without grumbling . He promises as one of the better things that accompanies salvation(Hebrew 6) He will not forget the work we have offered towards His name or authority
I would be careful on how a person mixes faith in what we do or hear .
While I am no judge it would seem to be safer to follow as in Mathew 4. Three times Jesus said as it is written again and again . The it in the in the phrase" as it is written". It represents the interpretation of God and not the private interpretation of men (us).
Again I would be careful on how we see the unseen eternal things as to who they are from. And also God is no longer adding new revelations as interpretations of God, we have the perfect law, the Bible. If any man say there is Christ, I had a dream or a vision, we are to believe not (no faith)
Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
