A different angle

[bluto]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

I'm not going to insult you but these are typical "Sunday School" questions? Here I'll give you some other examples. If Jesus is God how come He prays to His Father? Or if Jesus is God how come He does not know the day of His own return? And this one that you just gave, "3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant."

Now, I want you to forget about the Trinity and focus on what the Bible explicitly says. Remember Jesus at Matthew 16:13-17 ask His disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" This is the important question, who is Jesus Christ? Again forget the Trinity for a moment and understand the whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. I could start at John 1:1-14 and other places but I want you to focus on Philippians 2:3-8 because it clearly explains or should I say easily reconciles your questions.

It starts out at vs1-4 where the Apostle Paul is explaint to the Philippian believers to be of the same mind, spirit, love and purpose because at vs3 they were being "selfish" and only thinking of themselves and "NOT" putting others first, sort of like in a marriage where you put your spouse first. Trust me this works because I have been married 50 years coming up in March.

Paul then at vs5 says, "have this attitude in yourselves which was ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS, vs6, WHO, although (that word although means in spite of the fact) He/Jesus EXSISTED IN THE FORM OF GOD OR AS GOD, did not regard equality with God His Father a thing to be grasped. (That means that Jesus Christ who is God did not take advantage of the prerogtives of His deity that belong to Him in the first place.) Instead, vs7, He emptied Himself, TAKING THE FORM OF A BOND-SERVANT/MAN being found in the likeness of men."

Vs8 is summing up. "And being in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, Jesus who is God took the form of a man (for our sakes) and died on the cross that we may live and be with Him forever. If you read further down Paul tells us (vs9-11) that all men will eventually confess or bow down to Jesus Christ that He is Lord. If Jesus Christ is just a man like the rest of us God would NOT allow us to bow down and worship Him.

The highest form of worship (I believe) was when Thomas at John 20:28 said to Jesus Christ, "My Lord and my God." Does this all make sense to you? I am pressed for time right now but I will expound further on this issue by backing up from the "BIBLE" all that I have said. You can ask any questions your little heart desires and I will gladly address them or if others here want to "chime" in go for it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Depleted]

My answers in line with your questions.
gdyloves/Christina said:
Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form? ​He wouldn't. He didn't. Jesus means Savior/Redeemer. Isn't God always that? He even used his OT name more than once. John 8:58. (John 8:48-59, if you want it in context.)

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)? Trinity = three in one.

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.
Again, trinity.

Here's one that will blow your mind. If you've ever been around babies, you know, just like everyone else, they have to be taught not to be selfish. Babies are very selfish -- always wanting attention, even when they're cuddled for a while, fed, and new diapers. Like the rest of us, they want constant attention. And they cry to get their attention. Jesus as a baby never sinned. What did that even look like?

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

 

[tourist]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

1. - God's character never changes, neither does His appearance, our perception of God may change however depending where we are at on our spiritual walk.

2. - The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit comprise God.

2. - The one in charge when Jesus was in human form, and all other times as well is the Father. Any authority given to Jesus came from the Father.

 

[Depleted]

In regards to God talking to someone else, I don't doubt or question if Jesus existed before he was physically born, i believe that as well, in fact that's one of the reason it's hard for me to see them (God & Jesus) as one when I picture "them" together.

You said: Will of God is omnipotent and powerless who says God, in Father form, left heaven?

I'm not sure what u mean can u explain what ur saying please

Something is wrong here. You do believe Jesus was before Jesus was born, but don't think he is God? What are you promoting then -- reincarnation?

 

[Depleted]

Well obviously what u said in bold is being done that's why I'm asking and your list of 1-3 is usually the response that shows me your not one I can learn from so if u truly are preaching Gods word maybe u should take a different approach cause I think when it comes to Gods word you should be learning or teaching I'm trying to learn here what are u doing?

Funny, now more terms are coming out. Who you can and can't learn from?

That's kind of like saying, "I want to learn about $20,000, but you can't teach me because you aren't giving me $20,000."

Do you want to learn? Or are you out only to get what you want and are pretending it's about learning, but the real motive has nothing to do with learning?

Because, seriously, you just dismissed a good teacher with a mere hand swipe!

I'm now going to need proof you want to learn. Because so far all you're doing is arguing because people disagree with you.

 

[garee]

1)why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

From the beginning the creature desired to walk by sight as that seen (the temporal) and not by faith the unseen (eternal)

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

God is Spirit he has no form to behold .God is not a man as us. God does not a have a name as you or I needed to distinguish with Himself as God from other created gods that have no form . God remains without beginning and end of days.
All of His names speak of his invisible immutable attributes.

The trinity is something man has imposed on Him. Two attributes father and Son are assigned to the one Spirit, one work of faith (the father and the son) One baptism working together in perfect harmony to one another.

The father bruised the son. The son working with the father cried out, the father strengthened hin m to finish the one time promised demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation (the six days he did work.)

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

The trinity is a tradition of man

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

God used the flesh of the Son of man to display for a one time demonstration of a unseen work of pouring out his Spirit on flesh. God is not a man as us.

It is His Spirit that gives spirit life His flesh used as a demonstration of the Spirit did not change God who is not a man into to a creature made after the rudiments of this world.

Once person sees the demonstration for what it was .(not the actual work) Then they can understand God remains without mother and father beginning of spirit life or end of it.

God is no more a lamb that an human being.

Looking for a fleshly god to be used again in a demonstration only shows that some would rather walk by sight rather than by 2 Corinthians 4:18 (the prescribed way ) .

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more.

 

[maxwel]

Well obviously what u said in bold is being done that's why I'm asking and your list of 1-3 is usually the response that shows me your not one I can learn from so if u truly are preaching Gods word maybe u should take a different approach cause I think when it comes to Gods word you should be learning or teaching I'm trying to learn here what are u doing?

No, it isn't obvious you are "reconsidering" the merit of the orthodox view...
because you stated in the OP you were here for the purpose of "explaining why I'm right."



You said, in your own words, you are here to convince us of YOUR view,
and you also stated you've already had this conversation with people here before.

We would be left to infer that when people previously shared the orthodox view,
it didn't have any impact on you... and that is the reason for my post.


God Bless,
Max

 

[beastslayer1970]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

Would you agree that Satan is a real being who seeks to counterfeit God in anyway?

If you agree with this, then you will see that he attempts to counterfeit the Triune God in the Book of revelation.

Satan
The Beast
The False Prophet

So who is he counterfeiting with this persona's of himself?

Satan is counterfeiting God
The Beast is counterfeiting Jesus
The False Prophet is counterfeiting the Holy Spirit.

 

[NayborBear]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

I "get" where yer comin' from, Christina! As far as you wanting to "learn" from people. And, it's not so much so that you may be "edified", although, there is that likelihood of possibility. But, even more so, that likelihood of helping to "edify" others.
You "see" something in these posts, as I do as well. And, it is a big "no-no", and actually, quite offensive to these eyes, when I "see" so called christians, combining the "GOVERNMENT OF the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light" that is, and listen carefully here, that is "ON THE SHOULDERS"!!! Let me repeat this, "ON THE SHOULDERS OF!!!!" Jesus Christ of Nazareth! ON, is the key word here! Not IN Jesus Christ's shoulders! ON!!!! Meaning? the GOVERNMENT of Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Light, is borne ON Jesus! NOT IN Christ! Seems I cannot emphasize this enough!! This would be akin to Jesus carrying around God the Father ON HIS SHOULDERS, as WELL, as IN His Spirit!! With "the STRUCTURE", or "government" on Christ's shoulders!
When I see people insinuating that Christ, IS THE FATHER? Asides, from making me wanna puke? It tells me, and it seems you as well Christina, elst you wouldn't be able to speak out like you do, AGAINST THIS! Just how successful the spirit of instead of Christ, has been in its "standing in the temple (really "beth aven", or house of nothing) beating its chest in PROCLAIMING "it" IS GOD!!"
It's as if, people have been confessed by Christ TO the Father, that is on the shoulders of, and IN the government OF The Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light, yet have no CLUE, as to where they were! And, because of this? Like so many stubborn/unruly sheeples, taught by blind shepards, keep putting the cart before the horse! Thus making themselves as "so many wolves, in sheeps clothing!"
Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, even taught this, concerning the Lord of the Harvest. But, have misinterpreted the meaning of the phrase "end of the world!" When the more CORRECT interpretation, is "end OF the world (IN ONE'S HEART!!)" Meaning? "CIRCUMSIZED!" Which, (of course), is an extremely painful procedure, and process!

Lemme asks y'all a question here. How many of y'all have made a conscious, WILLFUL "effort", when praying to the Father (in Jesus' NAME should be "understood" here), have ever thought to OFFER UP "firstfruits" to Him (God the Father, that is)? It is said the Christ is the first fruits of the Father. And that? Is true! What it ISN'T? Is YOU! Meaning the believer, having been baptized, for the remission of sins! Now, in moving forward, allowing yourself to be "gone over" by the "harvesting Angels" of the Lord of the Harvest, to the point of bearing fruit! As a believer? You should be asking the Father, every now and then, if there are any of these first fruits, which BELONGS TO HIM, who created your soul, in the first place, for His OWN, good pleasure!
Seems, people either believe, or have been made to believe that what I have just stated, is something that is "done automatically, by default", Wouldn't it, or SHOULDN'T it, be a nicer, yea, even a wiser way to move forward, by knowingly asking and offering when ripened, YOUR "first fruits?"

Ok, "sheeples!" Bring it on! "What are you saying PRECISELY?!!" "Your sentences are too runny!" "I didn't understand a thing you just said!" "aren't I ALREADY a first fruit, being in Christ?" (uhh...no!) Doesn't love "COVER" this?" (uhh...no!...not THIS one)
Is alright! I'm used to it! Go ahead! Check the "iggy" button, if this bothers you so much!

No apologies for this post being so long. Cuz, it needed saying!

 

[notuptome]

Basic problem here is that we need to comprehend Gods nature and that God is able to be in the manger at Bethlehem and on the Throne in heaven at the same time. God inhabits eternity and God inhabits all of eternity all the time. God know the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning because He is already there or was there the whole time.

Time is such a great constraint that it makes it very difficult to describe God in time related terms.

How do we understand eternity?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[gdyloves]

When Jesus said I AM, it is the same I AM that spoke to Moses.

if I say I am going to the store, that means I will be going to the store in no way am I trying to say I AM god.
Did Jesus ever say I am, I AM?

 

[gdyloves]

Jesus name was Immanuel which means "" God with Us ""

Matthew 1: KJV
22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, {23} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. {24} Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: {25} And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

So in the very name of the LORD we see that it means God With Us... Jesus literally was God with us in the flesh..




It is not that there are 3 Gods.. There are three that are One God..

Jesus is God
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God

1 John 5: KJV
6 "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. {7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Of course Jesus is the Word who takes away the sins of the world..

John 1: KJV
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."





Why can't God exist in three forms at the same time? Don't you know God is omnipresent.. God is in charge all the time

Isaiah 9: KJV
{6} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

The Child that was born for us was the Son who is Jesus. He is the Mighty God.. He is the everlasting Father.. That's why Jesus and the Father are One..

A question to you Christina..

Who raised Jesus from the Dead ?

But Jesus's name is not Emmanuel it is Jesus, and I am not denying he is our Savior.
I just want to make that very clear, I know that Jesus is our savior.

{Isaiah 9: KJV
{6} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.}

Ok now here in my mind I think why does it not say "his name shall be" why does it say "his name shall be called"
again to me in my mind just because people call him something doesn't mean that's what he is.

In regards to your question, my answer is God

 

[gdyloves]

I'm not going to insult you but these are typical "Sunday School" questions? Here I'll give you some other examples. If Jesus is God how come He prays to His Father? Or if Jesus is God how come He does not know the day of His own return? And this one that you just gave, "3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant."

Now, I want you to forget about the Trinity and focus on what the Bible explicitly says. Remember Jesus at Matthew 16:13-17 ask His disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" This is the important question, who is Jesus Christ? Again forget the Trinity for a moment and understand the whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. I could start at John 1:1-14 and other places but I want you to focus on Philippians 2:3-8 because it clearly explains or should I say easily reconciles your questions.

It starts out at vs1-4 where the Apostle Paul is explaint to the Philippian believers to be of the same mind, spirit, love and purpose because at vs3 they were being "selfish" and only thinking of themselves and "NOT" putting others first, sort of like in a marriage where you put your spouse first. Trust me this works because I have been married 50 years coming up in March.

Paul then at vs5 says, "have this attitude in yourselves which was ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS, vs6, WHO, although (that word although means in spite of the fact) He/Jesus EXSISTED IN THE FORM OF GOD OR AS GOD, did not regard equality with God His Father a thing to be grasped. (That means that Jesus Christ who is God did not take advantage of the prerogtives of His deity that belong to Him in the first place.) Instead, vs7, He emptied Himself, TAKING THE FORM OF A BOND-SERVANT/MAN being found in the likeness of men."

Vs8 is summing up. "And being in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, Jesus who is God took the form of a man (for our sakes) and died on the cross that we may live and be with Him forever. If you read further down Paul tells us (vs9-11) that all men will eventually confess or bow down to Jesus Christ that He is Lord. If Jesus Christ is just a man like the rest of us God would NOT allow us to bow down and worship Him.

The highest form of worship (I believe) was when Thomas at John 20:28 said to Jesus Christ, "My Lord and my God." Does this all make sense to you? I am pressed for time right now but I will expound further on this issue by backing up from the "BIBLE" all that I have said. You can ask any questions your little heart desires and I will gladly address them or if others here want to "chime" in go for it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

when someone starts things off by saying "I'm not going to insult you but....." I usually roll my eyes and say nice try BUT....

 

[gdyloves]

No, it isn't obvious you are "reconsidering" the merit of the orthodox view...
because you stated in the OP you were here for the purpose of "explaining why I'm right."



You said, in your own words, you are here to convince us of YOUR view,
and you also stated you've already had this conversation with people here before.

We would be left to infer that when people previously shared the orthodox view,
it didn't have any impact on you... and that is the reason for my post.


God Bless,
Max

I don't know how this helps me but ok, I guess you must be right.

God Bless

 

[gdyloves]

Funny, now more terms are coming out. Who you can and can't learn from?

That's kind of like saying, "I want to learn about $20,000, but you can't teach me because you aren't giving me $20,000."

Do you want to learn? Or are you out only to get what you want and are pretending it's about learning, but the real motive has nothing to do with learning?

Because, seriously, you just dismissed a good teacher with a mere hand swipe!

I'm now going to need proof you want to learn. Because so far all you're doing is arguing because people disagree with you.

Im sorry you feel I am trying to argue really that is not my intention and I was not aware it was coming off like that.
yes I am asking for help but I feel no need to prove to you I want to learn I don't even know how I would prove that to you,
so thank anyways.

 

[gdyloves]

Would you agree that Satan is a real being who seeks to counterfeit God in anyway?

If you agree with this, then you will see that he attempts to counterfeit the Triune God in the Book of revelation.

Satan
The Beast
The False Prophet

So who is he counterfeiting with this persona's of himself?

Satan is counterfeiting God
The Beast is counterfeiting Jesus
The False Prophet is counterfeiting the Holy Spirit.

im not sure I understand are you saying that satan, the beast and the false profit represent one being just the same as God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. Cause if so I could see it that way also

 

[garee]

Originally Posted by breno785au

When Jesus said I AM, it is the same I AM that spoke to Moses.

I AM.....meaning savior, is the same anointing Spirit of Christ as the Son of God our eternal continuous High Priest . The Holy Spirit of God. The same Holy Spirit that lived in the Son of man not of the Son of man. Not as if we knew God who remains without form after the flesh of men

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

His flesh which did not profit as he informed us was used as a "demonstration "of the Spirits power. He poured it the eternal) out not seen on flesh(temporal) .


God is not a man as us .Never was never could be. He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.

The life of the flesh is in the blood .it is not literal blood without the essence of spirit life it our new spirits that will be raised up on the last day . The flesh and blood returned from where they were taken from ...dust.

It was a demonstration of a finished work not seen.not the actual pouring out of the Spirit

How do we hear God not seen.How does he give us ears to hear what the Spirit is saying?

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen "are temporal"; but the things which are not seen "are eternal".

 

[gdyloves]

I "get" where yer comin' from, Christina! As far as you wanting to "learn" from people. And, it's not so much so that you may be "edified", although, there is that likelihood of possibility. But, even more so, that likelihood of helping to "edify" others.
You "see" something in these posts, as I do as well. And, it is a big "no-no", and actually, quite offensive to these eyes, when I "see" so called christians, combining the "GOVERNMENT OF the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light" that is, and listen carefully here, that is "ON THE SHOULDERS"!!! Let me repeat this, "ON THE SHOULDERS OF!!!!" Jesus Christ of Nazareth! ON, is the key word here! Not IN Jesus Christ's shoulders! ON!!!! Meaning? the GOVERNMENT of Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Light, is borne ON Jesus! NOT IN Christ! Seems I cannot emphasize this enough!! This would be akin to Jesus carrying around God the Father ON HIS SHOULDERS, as WELL, as IN His Spirit!! With "the STRUCTURE", or "government" on Christ's shoulders!
When I see people insinuating that Christ, IS THE FATHER? Asides, from making me wanna puke? It tells me, and it seems you as well Christina, elst you wouldn't be able to speak out like you do, AGAINST THIS! Just how successful the spirit of instead of Christ, has been in its "standing in the temple (really "beth aven", or house of nothing) beating its chest in PROCLAIMING "it" IS GOD!!"
It's as if, people have been confessed by Christ TO the Father, that is on the shoulders of, and IN the government OF The Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light, yet have no CLUE, as to where they were! And, because of this? Like so many stubborn/unruly sheeples, taught by blind shepards, keep putting the cart before the horse! Thus making themselves as "so many wolves, in sheeps clothing!"
Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, even taught this, concerning the Lord of the Harvest. But, have misinterpreted the meaning of the phrase "end of the world!" When the more CORRECT interpretation, is "end OF the world (IN ONE'S HEART!!)" Meaning? "CIRCUMSIZED!" Which, (of course), is an extremely painful procedure, and process!

Lemme asks y'all a question here. How many of y'all have made a conscious, WILLFUL "effort", when praying to the Father (in Jesus' NAME should be "understood" here), have ever thought to OFFER UP "firstfruits" to Him (God the Father, that is)? It is said the Christ is the first fruits of the Father. And that? Is true! What it ISN'T? Is YOU! Meaning the believer, having been baptized, for the remission of sins! Now, in moving forward, allowing yourself to be "gone over" by the "harvesting Angels" of the Lord of the Harvest, to the point of bearing fruit! As a believer? You should be asking the Father, every now and then, if there are any of these first fruits, which BELONGS TO HIM, who created your soul, in the first place, for His OWN, good pleasure!
Seems, people either believe, or have been made to believe that what I have just stated, is something that is "done automatically, by default", Wouldn't it, or SHOULDN'T it, be a nicer, yea, even a wiser way to move forward, by knowingly asking and offering when ripened, YOUR "first fruits?"

Ok, "sheeples!" Bring it on! "What are you saying PRECISELY?!!" "Your sentences are too runny!" "I didn't understand a thing you just said!" "aren't I ALREADY a first fruit, being in Christ?" (uhh...no!) Doesn't love "COVER" this?" (uhh...no!...not THIS one)
Is alright! I'm used to it! Go ahead! Check the "iggy" button, if this bothers you so much!

No apologies for this post being so long. Cuz, it needed saying!

I have no problem with your long post brother...

 

[breno785au]

if I say I am going to the store, that means I will be going to the store in no way am I trying to say I AM god.
Did Jesus ever say I am, I AM?

Yes, in the language that was spoken He was saying I AM not I am.

A certain member has a good blog post about this

http://christianchat.com/blogs/jb/4841-i-am-i-am-exodus-3v14.html

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if I say I am going to the store, that means I will be going to the store in no way am I trying to say I AM god.
Did Jesus ever say I am, I AM?

Jesus said, Before abraham was, I AM. That term in the Hebrew and greek is the same terms used by the God in the fiery bush, when he told Moses, My name is I AM. Ie, I always existed.

Jesus was the God of Isreal. They are one and the same.