A Double Standard in Christianity?

[justbyfaith]

Even in the OT there were female prophets who ministered without teams or husbands right beside them.

Not in a church setting.

There were certain protocols for propriety in worship that were set in place; and also established in the eternal word of the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

Many can say women shouldn't preach, but they can't use absolute, correct scripture to back their claims.

They can certainly preach to other women.

However, scriptures that I have given in this very thread prohibit women from teaching or usurping authority over a man.

 

[justbyfaith]

"Usurp authority" is an unfortunate selection for authentein. It has only the weakest support in contemporary literature. A much more likely translation is seduce. It fits both the cultural context and the textual context. In a culture where women were typically not taught the Scriptures, Paul's words were allowing more participation than the norm, not less. Further, he put a restriction only on "a woman", not "women".

1 Corinthians 11 specifically permits women to speak. If you are claiming that Paul reverses his earlier statement in chapter 14, you need to make sense of it. Also, why does he say, "What? Came the word of God out from you? Or came it unto you only?" Why does he say these particular words in this particular place in his letter? You cannot simply draw a few words out from their context and claim they are a complete truth in themselves, when in their context, they don't make sense.

Scripture doesn't really mean what it says when we read it in the English, is your contention.

I believe that God gave His unadulterated message to the common people; and have made my case for this in other places on these boards.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's unadulterated sexism.

Men are different than women.

Women are more spiritually inclined and men are analytical.

Therefore, men are more inclined to reason out doctrine while women may accept a doctrine because it seems to them to be spiritually viable.

Adam was not deceived; but the woman being deceived fell into transgression (1 Timothy 2:14).

 

[justbyfaith]

That is simply not true. There is no hint in Scripture that Deborah was a judge because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Prisca was a teacher because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Huldah was a prophet because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Chloe was a deacon because of a dearth of available and capable men.

I challenge you to provide even one example to support your claim.

Barak was the best man available in Deborah's day; and he was a lightweight.

 

[justbyfaith]

It has been true throughout the ages that people can say the same thing over & over until everybody believes it. Lately we have discovered that many of these are false.
To some of you, it might be in your by-laws somewhere that women can't minister, but that's not my fault.

Sometimes the truth isn't repeated enough.

It may have been mentioned but people who have read it continue to reject it as though they had never read it. Repeating it would probably not mean that there would be any change in their opinion.

Nevertheless, I will offer a repeat of a previous post below.

 

[justbyfaith]

As concerning position in salvation, men and women are equal.

However, there are passages that teach us that women are not to teach or usurp authority over a man, in scripture.

1Ti 2:9, In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10, But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12, But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15, Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1Co 14:33, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34, Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35, And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36, What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37, If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38, But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[Dino246]

Scripture doesn't really mean what it says when we read it in the English, is your contention.

I believe that God gave His unadulterated message to the common people; and have made my case for this in other places on these boards.

You are welcome to your opinion, even when it contradicts the textual and lexical evidence.

 

[Dino246]

Barak was the best man available in Deborah's day; and he was a lightweight.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Barak was the best man available.

 

[Dino246]

Men are different than women.

For once, we agree.

Women are more spiritually inclined...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you smoking?

 

[Dino246]

They can certainly preach to other women.

However, scriptures that I have given in this very thread prohibit women from teaching or usurping authority over a man.

Repeating yourself is silly.

 

[Dino246]

Not in a church setting.

Obviously, as NONE of the OT took place in a church setting.

smh...

 

[justbyfaith]

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Barak was the best man available.

Nevertheless that is what he was. Otherwise God would have used the better person to accomplish his purposes.

 

[justbyfaith]

For once, we agree.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you smoking?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[justbyfaith]

Obviously, as NONE of the OT took place in a church setting.

smh...

Fine. The point is that prophecy and women speaking to usurp authority over a man is forbidden in church settings in the New Testament.

 

[justbyfaith]

Repeating yourself is silly.

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

 

[Dino246]

Nevertheless that is what he was. Otherwise God would have used the better person to accomplish his purposes.

Where in Scripture is it even hinted that God will "use the better man"? NOWHERE. You're inventing things to support your position.

 

[Dino246]

Fine. The point is that prophecy and women speaking to usurp authority over a man is forbidden in church settings in the New Testament.

I have heard many women speak and preach. I have never heard a woman speak to usurp authority over a man. I've never even heard of a woman speaking to usurp authority over a man.

Apparently, you don't understand what the phrase means. If you did, you wouldn't make such silly assertions.

 

[justbyfaith]

I have heard many women speak and preach. I have never heard a woman speak to usurp authority over a man. I've never even heard of a woman speaking to usurp authority over a man.

Apparently, you don't understand what the phrase means. If you did, you wouldn't make such silly assertions.

You said somewhere else that if I really cared I wouldn't insult you. Practice what you preach.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where in Scripture is it even hinted that God will "use the better man"? NOWHERE. You're inventing things to support your position.

I will concede the point, since it is very peripheral as an issue of doctrine.