A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

[Michael50]

Look back then during the age of the apostles, they taught on Sabbath in synagogues because that's where the crowds and people gathered for worship and admiration (Acts 18:4). So the apostles, most likely Paul, would set Sunday aside for God because they taught during the 7th day. Paul said it like this Colossians 2:16-17. Doesn't matter what day just keep it holy and set apart (Hebrews 4:9).

Paul never taught to violate any of the 10 commandments.. You are in absolute error. Paul said "it is keeping the Commandments of God that matters." And here you come claiming Paul said it didn't matter? Please,, go study,, don't come at me with a bunch of lies and try to tell me its the truth.

God gave us a Sabbath on the 7th day..Jesus kept it. He is my Example.

 

[homwardbound]

lol,, well,, i guess it's going over my head. I'm gettin your 1st paragraph. it's that 2nd paragraph, that leads me to believe that you think Paul was claiming which day we keep as the Sabbath is not important. Can you re-phrase, so that this country boy can understand? lol thanks.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[john832]

zone,

re: "BUT....the Feast of Tabernacles was fulfilled at Pentecost"


Any thoughts on Zechariah 14:16-19 which takes place after the Messiah sets up His kingdom at the second coming?

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord shakes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."

Because the FoT is a shadow of the coming Millenium and is NOT now fulfilled. It will be fulfilled by the end of the Millenium and the beginning of the Last Great Day also known as the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[john832]

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

And I just went through that. It is about fasting...

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

The Pharisees regarded days for fasting, they fasted twice in a week...

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Yes they did fast twice in a week, on certain days. They fasted on Monday and Thrusday, EVERY Monday and EVERY Thursday. They regarded the day to 'eat not'. There is NOTHING in Romans 14 about the day of worship.

 

[homwardbound]

Well, if there is no God it doesn't matter. If Christ was not the one who spoke from Mt. Sinai in Ex 20 it doesn't matter. If Christ did not give the commands in Lev 23 it doesn't matter and if Christ is not the Creator, then it really doesn't matter what day you keep.

He, Christ came to give us rest from striving to have life eternal, and if we or anyone has to work for this, or to keep this gift, then it is not a gift and that would make God a liar, Now God is not a liar, man is.

1. Romans 5:8
   But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
   
2. Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
   
3. 2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;

 

[john832]

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It is no longer a matter of whether I sin or not,

So, do you really believe this? You really think it is no longer a matter of whether you murder? Whether you lie, steal, lust, commit adultery, blaspheme God's holy name? No longer a matter of whether you have other gods before God?

I respect you homwardbound, but I think you jumped the rails here. This is patently false, it does matter.

 

[homwardbound]

I can tell you what I do on Sabbath. I do not know what everybody else does. So,, I will speak for myself.

All thru the week I work, do my chores,, go play golf. Go shopping, get my car worked on,,ect...

Friday, I make sure I have all the things I need. My house is in order. My wife might make potatoe salad and vegetarian baked beans, among other dishes, and put them in the fridge for Sabbath.

Come sundown, Prayer,,then,, I refrain from the world. Personally, I don't buy or sell on the Sabbath. I don't work on the Sabbath either. My wife and kids, pretty much leave me alone on Sabbath. They know I'm not doing anything but going to church, reading my Bible, praying and meditating on Godly themes on Sabbath.. I might visit some relatives, or a grave.

That's pretty much how my Sabbath goes.

my Sabbath is every day in Christ, who never leaves me. No matter where I go Christ is with me, ready to give an account for the Joy, peace and righteousness, that are God's that today partake in, before I tried to imitate, could not do it.
So I gave up my works to discover God's, and thus became a partaker in God's righteousness
So I am at rest in God as God has called all to be, and this is done through belief in God's finished work of the cross, namely the resurrection, because without the resurrection, I would still be in my sins 1Cor.15

 

[homwardbound]

The good of it comes from keeping it... It makes me happy.

"Happy is he that keepeth the law." Proverbs 29:18

I am definitely, elated for you in this we are called to be free, and be content.
every day this is for me to be content in whatever the day brings forth, thanking God that God just love me and all people.
Shown by the cross the dividing of self death with the death of Christ, then the resurrection of Christ is our resurrection in the Spirit of God. New Born again life, serving God in Spirit and truth

 

[john832]

my Sabbath is every day in Christ, who never leaves me.

homward, my friend, when do you work?

 

[homwardbound]

And I just went through that. It is about fasting...

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

The Pharisees regarded days for fasting, they fasted twice in a week...

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Yes they did fast twice in a week, on certain days. They fasted on Monday and Thrusday, EVERY Monday and EVERY Thursday. They regarded the day to 'eat not'. There is NOTHING in Romans 14 about the day of worship.

The Roman 14 Chapter goes much deeper than stopping at fasting and or what one eats. That was just the subject at hand and used to explain one's freedom in God, through what Christ has done for us, and as usual, refrain from harming others and if do ask for them to forgive you, I mean since God has already done this for the whole world through Christ

The deep things of God and from God are only revealed in the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, that is our teacher to truth in all things pertaining to God.
What are you made alive in, Flesh or Spirit of God?

 

[Grandpa]

First, don't work. That is the easy part.

Let's stop right here for a moment.

Do you think that this one concept could point to the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us, and in us?

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Do you think that the physical aspect of the Law that you try to keep is actually a spiritual aspect that you may not understand yet?

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Do you understand what that is saying? You working at the law is not of faith. But if you are going to work at them you will live in them.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Paul never taught to violate any of the 10 commandments.. You are in absolute error. Paul said "it is keeping the Commandments of God that matters." And here you come claiming Paul said it didn't matter? Please,, go study,, don't come at me with a bunch of lies and try to tell me its the truth.

God gave us a Sabbath on the 7th day..Jesus kept it. He is my Example.

?...my statement was to clarify that it doesn't matter what day you may worship and keep the sabbath...

 

[john832]

Let's stop right here for a moment.

Do you think that this one concept could point to the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us, and in us?

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Do you think that the physical aspect of the Law that you try to keep is actually a spiritual aspect that you may not understand yet?

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Do you understand what that is saying? You working at the law is not of faith. But if you are going to work at them you will live in them.

***stop*** What does this have to do with keeping the Sabbath? ***unstop***

 

[homwardbound]

So, do you really believe this? You really think it is no longer a matter of whether you murder? Whether you lie, steal, lust, commit adultery, blaspheme God's holy name? No longer a matter of whether you have other gods before God?

I respect you homwardbound, but I think you jumped the rails here. This is patently false, it does matter.

Yep, it is very hard for flesh to let go and let God do what you can't do. Yet one day you might discover it, after you might give up trying to stop what you have been trying to stop for all these years, and is what is actually keeping you trapped in it over and over again.
maybe God open this verse up to you and anyone else reading here
Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
One's emotions of flesh, knows no right or wrong, and predictably responds to whatever a man is sowing, (thinking) about.
So if I am trying to stop a sin that I do not want, what happens after enough time of thinking about it?
Why I do it, that is what happens, and I can't escape right?
So if I take my I and ask God to co-crucify me with Christ, I die, and if me the I, the self is dead, sin has no more dominion over me, you or anyone, as long as you are dead to self, you then are alive to God in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God as is what Christ came to give us is new life in him. Now this is done by God, through the resurrection
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

 

[john832]

?...my statement was to clarify that it doesn't matter what day you may worship and keep the sabbath...

OK, you can say that , but what does God say?

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Prior to Mt. Sinai and the "giving of the Law"...

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Here is a little curiosity for you...

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

At the time of the end, why does it matter that your flight not be on the Sabbath, if any old day will do?

 

[Bryancampbell]

OK, you can say that , but what does God say?

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Prior to Mt. Sinai and the "giving of the Law"...

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Here is a little curiosity for you...

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

At the time of the end, why does it matter that your flight not be on the Sabbath, if any old day will do?

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days - Colossians 2:16-17.

Whether I set aside Sunday or Saturday is not up to you. For the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[Michael50]

?...my statement was to clarify that it doesn't matter what day you may worship and keep the sabbath...

I realize what you have said.. And you are wrong! God says the Sabbath is the 7th Day. He said He wouldn't alter that which has gone out of His lips. Psalm 89:34

"And paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17:12

"Paul and his company...went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down." Acts 13:13,14

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the woman who met there." Acts 16:13

"And he reasoned in the synagouge every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4


These scriptures make is very clear. The book of Acts says that Paul and the early church kept the 7th day Sabbath!

 

[homwardbound]

homward, my friend, when do you work?

I do not view work here on this earth as work, whether I work or not. For now I am disabled and will be back t work one day, if god willing for this. Had Foreigners Gangrene last year in Nov, 2012. Parts removed, major scarring, going through physical therapy today, trusting to get better, yet not in my timing, rather God's. Kind of like when Jesus prayed fro the cup he was about to take on asking Father if there be any other way, please, never the less Father your will not mine.
The cross of Christ has been torn down and stripped of it's power, and few see this finished work of Christ in the power of the resurrection, where new life in one's Spirit is supplied from God to those that believe and thus rest from their works to trust God for God's works through them.
Here is a good ? to bring back the power.
Did Christ ever need to go to the cross and die for himself at all?
Then why did Christ do this, if not for himself?
Then why did he rise by Father resurrecting him for what purpose, since Christ was and is perfect as Father is.
Only one answer for you, me and all that will believe God
[h=3]Colossians 1:22-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I realize what you have said.. And you are wrong! God says the Sabbath is the 7th Day. He said He wouldn't alter that which has gone out of His lips. Psalm 89:34

"And paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17:12

"Paul and his company...went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down." Acts 13:13,14

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the woman who met there." Acts 16:13

"And he reasoned in the synagouge every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4


These scriptures make is very clear. The book of Acts says that Paul and the early church kept the 7th day Sabbath!

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days - Colossians 2:16-17.

Whether I set aside Sunday or Saturday is not up to you. For the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath.

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[Michael50]

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That scripture doesn't make it okay for you to keep another day as Sabbath...lol,,, why would you even think that?


Can you find anyplace in scripture where Paul taught that we are to keep another day as the Sabbath? No,,, He taught the Jew that Jesus was the Crucified Messiah.....That was more than they could believe...Can you imagine if Paul taught that the 4th Commandment was void! No Sabbath Command! They would have killed Paul immediately.

I find it amazing that you believe God would alter His law,, after all His SON suffered on a Cross!!!!

If God was going to up and change His law,,, why didn't He do it before His Son came and suffered at the hands of evil men?

Makes no sense... God isn't gonna change His 10 Commandments. Not a jot nor a tittle.